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  1. I think us exiles have been amply rewarded this season by having to watch fewer games
  2. All of that is true (and I've been a tourist myself at several large grounds around Europe, though spent precisely zilch on merch etc). But several posters earlier on in this thread did use this term about non-season ticket holders at AG.
  3. Any chance we could stop talking about "tourists"? Some of us live hundreds of miles away from AG, don't attend many home games because of that and therefore don't have a season ticket (and often end up attending more away than home matches). Others may have caring responsibilities, other regular commitments, or simply not able to afford a season ticket. I know we're second class fans, and I genuflect every morning, but we're not tourists.
  4. To be fair, that's the one I had in mind. It's seared in my consciousness because we took so long to climb back out of the third tier afterwards. Years of near misses under Danny Wilson (including that play off final in Cardiff). Fortunately Tinnion laid the foundations for our revival and the great Gary Johnson finished the job.
  5. Oh for the good old days when we would get promoted to the Championship then go straight back down the following year
  6. I get where everyone is coming from. But we often seem to play better against decent teams, and when we're on TV, and Leicester have had a bit of a wobble (only 4 points from their last 5 games - almost as bad as us!). Do we really want to listen to Nigel discussing how well we played, how expertly Manning set us up, and so on?
  7. I won't labour the point, but I think the quality of academy players coming through at the time also made it easier for Pearson to include them. Tedious football plus poor results should be Manning's downfall, not so much his attitude to academy players. Setting us up not to lose can be a good starting point, and early on I'm not sure Manning got enough credit for some of this. It's been really noticeable how many times match reports would say that our opponents weren't their usual free-flowing selves, struggled to find their normal rhythm, weren't firing on all cylinders, etc. It can't have been a coincidence that so many teams seemed to have an off day when playing us. But Manning's abject failure to build from this foundation and improve things at the other end of the pitch means that I agree he has to go!
  8. Are we in administration or liquidation? Do players and club staff still receive their wages? Do we owe a huge amount to HMRC? Are we paying millions in interest to external lenders? Have we been relegated to the third tier, fourth tier or out of the league altogether? Do our owners have an appalling human rights record that we try not to mention? Are we on our eleventh manager in the last four years? Are we facing one or more points deductions? Is our ground unfinished or falling apart? Do we have an owner who brazenly ignores FFP regulations then blames everyone else when sanctioned? Did we build a new ground which we never filled and then had to leave? Do we have Tony Pulis or Joey Barton as manager ? After initially supporting Manning, I now think he ought to be sacked. It just didn't work. Things could certainly be better. But they could also be a hell of a lot worse!
  9. I'd suggest there are only three reasons - the dire no entertainment football, the dire no entertainment football, and the dire no entertainment football. Plus no discernible grounds for optimism, no evidence of a corner being turned, etc Most of the others are subjective and arguable. For example we haven't really been "hurtling" down the league, and there have been occasions when his subs have scored and/or created goals. And if you want inspiring interviews then let's appoint George Galloway, he'd do less harm here than in the House of Commons!
  10. Strangely I think we could still be quite attractive to a potential manager. With a typical managerial ego, they might well think they can be the one to turn this "sleeping giant" around and make their name. And despite all the criticisms of the structure, that stats show that we do typically give managers more time than most other Championship clubs.
  11. Now! Otherwise we'll beat Leicester and his status as Pep mk 2 will be restored
  12. Have to agree. Was really hoping he could turn the corner (in the right direction), and think appointing up and coming young managers is definitely worth a try. But it just hasn't worked and we should cut our losses and get someone new in for the summer.
  13. I wouldn't disagree that there probably are some who choose not to work. But it is also a fact that the main reason for working age people not working or looking for work is long-term sickness. People caring for relative(s) is also another big category, as well people with disabilities. Isn't it worth the risk of unintentionally helping a small number of "self entitled layabouts" in order also to help the greater number of people who would genuinely like to work but are unable to do so through no fault of their own (and are also dealing with challenges with their own health, the health of loved ones, etc as well as being skint)?
  14. But it is work for some Bristol Sport employees. Allegedly
  15. Perhaps you could explain what this cost is - i.e. what extra costs the club incurs as a result of one additional supporter attending - and why you think this wouldn't be covered by the cost of a discounted season ticket. There's been a lot of unsympathetic rubbish posted on this thread, by many posters. Perhaps they've swallowed the "scroungers vs hard workers" line promoted by the likes of the Daily Mail and similarly vile sources. In fact, the main reason for people of working age not being employed or actively looking for work is long-term sickness (currently around 2.7m). Another common reason is having to care for relative(s). Years of government neglect of both the NHS and social care is at least part of this story. Even looking at this in cold financial terms, the answer isn't obvious because by offering lower prices to a group that, by definition, doesn't have much spare cash might lead to more tickets being sold. In the longer term, if they keep on attending then they might be more likely to buy a full price season ticket if/when their situation improves. But more than this, it just seems the right thing to do. Yes the club might end up giving a small discount to some who choose not to work, but they'll also end up helping out a larger number of fans who find themselves in a financially challenging situation often through no fault of their own (and may well be facing other challenges, e.g. their own health and that of their loved ones).
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