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#1 Murraysrightplum

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 01:01 PM

If we take Del's average points per game were extrapolated over the whole season, we would finish on around 58 points, easily mid table and without the stress of a relegation fight. What can we expect from a whole season? I would like to see more consistency...




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Posted 23 April 2012 - 01:08 PM

If we take Del's average points per game were extrapolated over the whole season, we would finish on around 58 points, easily mid table and without the stress of a relegation fight. What can we expect from a whole season? I would like to see more consistency...


and that is with a large unbalanced squad of players whom he didn't sign and one transfer window where it is notoriously difficult to attract players of the sufficient calibre at the right prices. He's done what he's done with loan signings (these are invariably players who are not wanted or good enough for their parent clubs)

The mind does wonder what could be achieved now he has the opportunity to build his own team!

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 01:11 PM

and that is with a large unbalanced squad of players whom he didn't sign and one transfer window where it is notoriously difficult to attract players of the sufficient calibre at the right prices. He's done what he's done with loan signings (these are invariably players who are not wanted or good enough for their parent clubs)

The mind does wonder what could be achieved now he has the opportunity to build his own team!


Add to that a pretty horrendous run of injuries towards the end of the season and the whole Maynard saga.

A job very well done by McInnes.

I'd be very happy with 60-65 points next season and signs of progress long term.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 01:12 PM

With all the obvious talk of "rebuilding" and "cutting out the deadwood" i think next season is going to have to be one of patience, we hopefully will have a new look team, and with that we are going to have to give it time, i think a mid table finish is all we can hope for and from that we can build and a few years down the line we may even challenge for promotion, but patience will be the key, we gotta give the guy our backing, he's proved to me his worth keeping us up, lets see if he can build from that and bring back smiles of success rather than smiles of relief :englandsmile4wf:

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 01:13 PM

Nothing other than top with 100 points.. or else mciness isn't the right man.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 01:15 PM

I suppose it depends on how much money he's going to be given for buying players and wages. Can't see him getting as much as the last couple of managers.
And tbh...the large unbalanced squad was our saviour in the end. Being able to use fresh legs and rotate the squad at the end was what kept us up imho.
Even with new signings ( of the calibre we're used to ) I can only see us being a bottom third team next season.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 01:17 PM

With all the obvious talk of "rebuilding" and "cutting out the deadwood" i think next season is going to have to be one of patience, we hopefully will have a new look team, and with that we are going to have to give it time, i think a mid table finish is all we can hope for and from that we can build and a few years down the line we may even challenge for promotion, but patience will be the key, we gotta give the guy our backing, he's proved to me his worth keeping us up, lets see if he can build from that and bring back smiles of success rather than smiles of relief :englandsmile4wf:


Correct. And McInnes has earnt the right to be left to get on with the job.

It will be a new team and regardless of who we bring in it will no doubt take time.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 01:18 PM

Momentum is key in football and this league in particular is so tight. If Del invests wisely and we start next season well, who knows what can happen. I'm not going to go banding about the idea of us challenging for the play-offs but we have shown in this league before (in our first season) what can be achieved with a winning mentality and momentum. Cardiff signed a new team last summer and are 6th with one game to play - with a bright young manager from Scotland.

There is no reason why we shouldn't set our sights high. However, I do not expect us to be challenging at the top and there is a lot of work to be done. Mid-table and signs of improvement and better quality football and I'll be more than happy. I think that's realistic, and I'm sure Derek does too. But he sets high standards, and I'm sure he feels he can achieve more than that. We'll just have to wait and see, and be patient!

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 01:39 PM

I'll be watching the pre-season closely.

I know everyone says "it's only a friendly!" but the last two seasons our pre-season games have been an embarrassing nightmare... and then, lo and behold, we continue our sh!t form into August and beyond.

A good result at Burnley and we go into the summer with settled management and some confidence for the season ahead. A new team will take some bedding in, but if we aren't a disaster in our friendlies I'll be eagerly anticipating the restart.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 01:44 PM

I'll be watching the pre-season closely.

I know everyone says "it's only a friendly!" but the last two seasons our pre-season games have been an embarrassing nightmare... and then, lo and behold, we continue our sh!t form into August and beyond.

A good result at Burnley and we go into the summer with settled management and some confidence for the season ahead. A new team will take some bedding in, but if we aren't a disaster in our friendlies I'll be eagerly anticipating the restart.

Dont want to pee on yer fireworks but didnt the blue few have a cracking pre-season !!! but i get your point, we need a winning mentality at the club, and if that starts pre-season, we can hopefully carry it through to the league games and keep the momentum going

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 01:49 PM

Dont want to pee on yer fireworks but didnt the blue few have a cracking pre-season !!! but i get your point, we need a winning mentality at the club, and if that starts pre-season, we can hopefully carry it through to the league games and keep the momentum going


True. But they had a new manager coming in and falling out with their best players.

One of the best points about McInnes is that he seems to make all his team decisions for football reasons - not on a personal basis.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:06 PM

Results are not important in pre-season and I couldn't care less about them I want to see players brought in early so they are given a chance to gel and performances as a team over results,
the last 1 maybe 2 games of the preseason will be more about the results then,

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:15 PM

Results are not important in pre-season and I couldn't care less about them I want to see players brought in early so they are given a chance to gel and performances as a team over results,
the last 1 maybe 2 games of the preseason will be more about the results then,


All the weaknesses we saw last August were visible in the form of a team who lost at Torquay in July.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:25 PM

Results are not important in pre-season and I couldn't care less about them I want to see players brought in early so they are given a chance to gel and performances as a team over results,
the last 1 maybe 2 games of the preseason will be more about the results then,


It amazes me how many people say this. Whilst pre-season results are not the be all and end all , we have been getting beat by the likes of Torquay , Aldershot and Yeovil for the past 2 years and have made poor starts in each. Every team needs a few good results in pre-season, for confidence as much as anything.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 02:37 PM

Very important that people keep a level head going into next season.

McInnes has done a good job, he's achieved his aim of keeping us in the league. Contrary to some I don't think he's worked miracles but he came into a difficult situation and has pulled us clear.

The scene is set for a radical turnover in playing staff this summer. Realistically we'll probably see 3 or 4 new starters for the first game of next season, however the shape and make up of the squad is likely to shift significantly.

New players take time to gel and the league itself looks very competitive. It is crucial that the fans keep their feet on the ground and dont get ahead of theirselves.

Personally, seeing McInnes impart his own players and his own style coupled with a lower mid table finish is very satisfactory for me.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:05 PM

There's one thing that's concerning me at the moment regarding us offloading the out of contract players. I'm guessing most of these contracts run out around June or July, which could at that point leave us with a worryingly small squad.

That will then put us in the position that we must bring in a sizeable number of new players of the right quality. Considering we've struggled to find even a small number of this type of player in the past few years, I just hope we don't find ourselves with the bare bones of a squad when the new season kicks off.

We'll really need to do our business early the close season I reckon.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:26 PM

There's one thing that's concerning me at the moment regarding us offloading the out of contract players. I'm guessing most of these contracts run out around June or July, which could at that point leave us with a worryingly small squad.

That will then put us in the position that we must bring in a sizeable number of new players of the right quality. Considering we've struggled to find even a small number of this type of player in the past few years, I just hope we don't find ourselves with the bare bones of a squad when the new season kicks off.

We'll really need to do our business early the close season I reckon.


The players not being offered new deals will already know and McInnes will also know how much in wages those departures free up so will have an idea of whats in the wages kitty.

All sort of wheeling and dealing goes on behind the scenes in football and McInnes will have a short list of who he wants to sign and who knows, maybe those players are aware of his interest. Not to have such short list would be bordering on the unproffessional.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:28 PM

It amazes me how many people say this. Whilst pre-season results are not the be all and end all , we have been getting beat by the likes of Torquay , Aldershot and Yeovil for the past 2 years and have made poor starts in each. Every team needs a few good results in pre-season, for confidence as much as anything.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:30 PM

The players not being offered new deals will already know and McInnes will also know how much in wages those departures free up so will have an idea of whats in the wages kitty.

All sort of wheeling and dealing goes on behind the scenes in football and McInnes will have a short list of who he wants to sign and who knows, maybe those players are aware of his interest. Not to have such short list would be bordering on the unproffessional.

Stop worrying and look North.........

I would guess the players who we are looking to retain would of already been offered new deals by now, if they haven't then I would think they are walking

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:39 PM

I would guess the players who we are looking to retain would of already been offered new deals by now, if they haven't then I would think they are walking


They will know but whether they will sign new deals depends on any number of factors. There will also be one or two who maybe McInnes is not sure about as yet.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 03:45 PM

His task was to keep us up and he's done that with a game remaining, for that he should receive recognition. I still have doubts about certain areas of McInnes management but in the last few weeks he has realised just how important some individuals were to the fight and used the squad very, very well. He has achieved his goal and with a summer of rebuilding I look forward to seeing what the Scot has to offer next season.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:02 PM

and that is with a large unbalanced squad of players whom he didn't sign and one transfer window where it is notoriously difficult to attract players of the sufficient calibre at the right prices. He's done what he's done with loan signings (these are invariably players who are not wanted or good enough for their parent clubs)

The mind does wonder what could be achieved now he has the opportunity to build his own team!

Certainly is exciting times. :)

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:04 PM

All the weaknesses we saw last August were visible in the form of a team who lost at Torquay in July.



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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:06 PM

Certainly is exciting times. :)


Yeah, it certainly is.

McInnes is in the rare managerial position of being able to have a massive clear out of unwanted players. Come August he won't have any players he doesn't rate. Thats very rare for any manager.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:12 PM

Yeah, it certainly is.

McInnes is in the rare managerial position of being able to have a massive clear out of unwanted players. Come August he won't have any players he doesn't rate. Thats very rare for any manager.

I think this is a reason why he is very positive about next season even more so. I hope the final squad is around 25 players so that team-spirit is stronger. Too many players can cause the players to be in groups and isn't good for anyone. I am confident come the end of the transfer window we will have a MUCH more competitive squad with hungry players.

I cannot wait personally. It will feel good to win a few games in pre-season as we haven't managed that for a while now.

It's definatley a new chapter in the life of Bristol City Football Club.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:12 PM

Yeah, it certainly is.

McInnes is in the rare managerial position of being able to have a massive clear out of unwanted players. Come August he won't have any players he doesn't rate. Thats very rare for any manager.


That's complete tosh and you know it.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:16 PM

I'd be lying if i said i didnt want us to fly up the table, win every game home and away and get promoted. However i would love to see a strong consistant season that gives mcinnes time to build a solid team with plenty of flexibilty to make a serious challenge for the prem in the season after. that way we can go into the prem and stay up. infact thats what is going to happen and if you think different then... :shutup:

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:23 PM

That's complete tosh and you know it.


I assume thats a tongue in cheek remark

If not please explain..........
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:25 PM

I assume thats a tongue in cheek remark

If not please explain..........

I think he means there will still be players in the squad who Del isn't completely happy with due to not being able to get rid. Hopefully that isn't the case though.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:26 PM

I assume thats a tongue in cheek remark

If not please explain..........


There are still players under contract , who Del clearly doesn't rate. If nobody wants to buy them , they will still be here next season.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:55 PM

I think success next season will just be building on this season. Finish comfortably above relegation places and then build again the season after and so on. Not a cat in hells chance we'll be competing for the play offs next season and you know what, I can live with that as long as we've learnt lessons from this season (and seasons past)

Rebuilding this club is going to take a few seasons and I think we need to acccept that.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 04:57 PM

I think success next season will just be building on this season. Finish comfortably above relegation places and then build again the season after and so on. Not a cat in hells chance we'll be competing for the play offs next season and you know what, I can live with that as long as we've learnt lessons from this season (and seasons past)

Rebuilding this club is going to take a few seasons and I think we need to acccept that.

Why no chance? There is no reason for that. This is football and anything is possible. I admit we aren't one of the favorites but I wouldn't write of any team in the league as you have no idea what will happen in the summer and during the season.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 05:03 PM

Okay I'll rephrase. In my opinion we have no chance of competing for the play off!! We've avoided relegation by pretty much the skin of our teeth, Del probably won't be given a huge wedge of cash to spend this summer and I think the league will be stronger than it's been in a long time. So imo we'll have no chance of competing for the play off. That'll be my reasons.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 05:07 PM

Okay I'll rephrase. In my opinion we have no chance of competing for the play off!! We've avoided relegation by pretty much the skin of our teeth, Del probably won't be given a huge wedge of cash to spend this summer and I think the league will be stronger than it's been in a long time. So imo we'll have no chance of competing for the play off. That'll be my reasons.

The league is always strong, big clubs don't mean good teams. This season we've done very well against the so called 'big clubs'.

The chairmen has said he expects a number of new faces and will support Del in any way he can. This year is massive for strengthening the squad as it's clear to see in the last few years we haven't been anywhere near good enough with this group of players. I'm sure the board know this.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 05:16 PM

I think success next season will just be building on this season. Finish comfortably above relegation places and then build again the season after and so on. Not a cat in hells chance we'll be competing for the play offs next season and you know what, I can live with that as long as we've learnt lessons from this season (and seasons past)

Rebuilding this club is going to take a few seasons and I think we need to acccept that.

Okay I'll rephrase. In my opinion we have no chance of competing for the play off!! We've avoided relegation by pretty much the skin of our teeth, Del probably won't be given a huge wedge of cash to spend this summer and I think the league will be stronger than it's been in a long time. So imo we'll have no chance of competing for the play off. That'll be my reasons.


Whilst you can never say "no chance" in football and we haven't even seen who Del has recruited yet I agree that it is highly unlikely that we will be in the promotion mix next year. We should be pleased with our finish to the season and of course it is good to be positive but lets not get carried away. I agree that the league will be very hard next year and a mid-table finish that suggests we are progressing is a realistic target.

I was saying after the game on Saturday that it will be interesting to see what our aim is for next season. Is it purely staying up? Is it a top-half aim? Or will the usual shit regarding promotion be spouted? Hopefully not the latter and probably the middle.
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 05:16 PM

So do you honestly believe we'll be competing for a play off position? Not could, or might because any of the 24 could or might. Do you believe we will?

It's all well and good doing well against the big boys but if you struggle against mid/lower table teams then you wont get very far. I think the league will be very strong next season so finishing comfortably above relegation will be a decent step up.

I find it amazing when I talk to some fans and they almost expect us to be challenging for promotion every season like we have a right because we are Bristol City.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 05:36 PM

So do you honestly believe we'll be competing for a play off position? Not could, or might because any of the 24 could or might. Do you believe we will?

It's all well and good doing well against the big boys but if you struggle against mid/lower table teams then you wont get very far. I think the league will be very strong next season so finishing comfortably above relegation will be a decent step up.

I find it amazing when I talk to some fans and they almost expect us to be challenging for promotion every season like we have a right because we are Bristol City.

You pretty much contradicted yourself there. Saying this league will be tougher next year, the big teams have no right to be up there either.

I don't believe anything, I hope. You have no clue what will happen in the summer and how well Del will get us prepared. A lot about the team will change.

We say every year ''next year looks so strong!'' but anyone can beat anyone in this division, that is what makes it brilliant. Del has said himself, he doesn't want to settle for just being above the relegation zone. He wants us to be aiming for something, not consolidating and settling for average seasons.

Football is a funny old game, time will tell but I wouldn't write any team off in the division. There is always 1 or 2 suprise packages though and who's to say that can't be us? I'm not saying we will or wont, but to completely rule it out and say it's practically impossible to do is rather defeatist.

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 05:47 PM

True. But they had a new manager coming in and falling out with their best players.

One of the best points about McInnes is that he seems to make all his team decisions for football reasons - not on a personal basis.


I think McInnes does do what you say but what about the side lining of Spence which had to do with attitude?

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Posted 23 April 2012 - 07:07 PM

I think McInnes does do what you say but what about the side lining of Spence which had to do with attitude?


I thought it had more to do with the fact that he was playing sh!t. He was reasonable last season but seemed like he'd gone backwards.

Maybe he didn't want to come back here?




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