City Rocker Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Of course the greater outcome was positive but you cannot praise somebody who shed the blood of innocents in the process, without being called up on it. Fair enough, if all we're doing is reminding ourselves that violence was used in resisting the opressors, then I don't have a problem with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Ok you win, he DIDN'T co-found that group and they DIDN'T commit terrorist acts (sorry, didn't fight for freedom). Congratulations, you just changed history! No, you're the one changing history. Presumably you also find the actions of the French resistance and various other resistance movements of the 2nd world war unjustifiable too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 No, you're the one changing history. Presumably you also find the actions of the French resistance and various other resistance movements of the 2nd world war unjustifiable too? Where did I say it wasn't justified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Where did I say it wasn't justified? It was implied. Don't be obtuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 http://americanfreepress.net/?p=11873 Any thoughts on this? The only thing that's factually correct in that article is that Mandela was a member of MK and the AIDS statistics at the end. Other than that its a vile, racist rant against 'Africans', labelling them with some bizarre Victorian-concept savagery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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... Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Nelson - a great, great person, and a massive loss to humanity. On a lighter note: www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCZKZlLvE70 Now, it's a pretty grotty choice, I admit, but I would take the backing singer on the right - if you forced me to choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 /*Links to Right Wing Racist Crap.... Removed */ Etc etc. Are you really that naive? This is a result of his peacefull actions, this girl is an inspiration. She is awesome is she not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 This is a result of his peacefull actions, this girl is an inspiration. She is awesome is she not? Where is the racism in what I posted? Sorry just spotted the poster. The convert, the defender of the indefensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davros Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 I wonder if George Osborne still wears his Hang Mandela t-shirt which he got when he was in the Federation of Conservative Students? FYI that's leftwing bollox, there is little evidence to support this it started on facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cider red Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Left/Right is political persuasion, yes. Stating facts however is not racist, even if the facts come from a right oriented site. If they're facts they're facts. There is a YouTube video of Nelson singing 'kill the whites'. That isn't a racist though is it. Ignorance is bliss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Minutes applause at all games over the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hippy273 Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Minutes applause at all games over the weekend. Highly disrespectful if we didn't applaud on tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Highly disrespectful if we didn't applaud on tv What if it was not on TV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 A strong influence in the combat against racism, ended apartheid and gave many a fair chance to live as they deserved. RIP Have you been to South Africa recently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Clark Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Proof that prison works....he never re-offended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Right Honourable Les Q Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Well, they have certainly be wheeling out all the great and good today, to pay tribute. Including Lord Tebbitt, paying tribute to the Thatcher government's principled and tough stance back then - including correctly labelling Mandela a tourist, and continuing to do business with the white, minority rule Afrikaans chaps - and insisting this was instrumental in bringing peaceful change in South Africa. Well done, Norman! Still fighting! They couldn't have done it without some old white blokes in London - here, here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge Batch Red Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Minutes applause at all games over the weekend. Yes in South Africa but not in England. He is not from this country and had very little to do with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Sadly since he left South African politics, the country is on the slippery slope to becoming yet another failed and corrupt African state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Right Honourable Les Q Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Yes in South Africa but not in England. He is not from this country and had very little to do with us. Not so sure about that, KC. Remember, Mandela appeared on the popular television programme where you get your garden all spruced up when you're away for the weekend, and it's all a surprise when you come home! Starring Alan Titmarch, a big bloke from Essex, and a ginger bird not wearing a bra. You might have seen it before. Of course, Mandela was "away" for a bit longer than a weekend, but would you believe it (!) they still had a mad rush to get it finished on time. I think Mandela was chuffed that his absence from home was not for nothing. And not a little bit overwhelmed. At the very least, overwhelmed by the ginger bird who forgot to pack everything for the trip.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Yes in South Africa but not in England. He is not from this country and had very little to do with us. True, he was only a global legend, why should English football salute his passing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge Batch Red Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 True, he was only a global legend, why should English football salute his passing ? What has he got to do with English football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City Rocker Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Google Jerry Dammers and the Special AKA to discover how connected he was to Britain, and the part played in telling the world Mandela's story and securing his release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eco Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 What has he got to do with English football? Well how deep do you want to go ? I'll start by saying I'd imagine a lot of black players, for instance, are inspired by him. Anyway why should English football be so insular ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted December 6, 2013 Report Share Posted December 6, 2013 Sadly since he left South African politics, the country is on the slippery slope to becoming yet another failed and corrupt African state. Yep, unfortunately his ANC party are corrupt to the core and have made many black South Africans poorer than they were under apartheid, even if they are free. Unfortunately I think this can stem back to the acceptance of money from various bad sources which led to many party becoming drunk with the thought of power and money. I don't think Mandela agreed with this but I not sure he ever distanced himself from it, and to my knowledge never criticised his party for the way it was run making his fight for racial equality and rights for Black south Africans a little hollow. Unfortunately his South Africa is now more corrupt, and money grabbing at the highest level,than it ever has been. Brutality towards blacks by the government is just as bad as it has ever been, but is massively over looked. I am all for the good will towards Mandela,but I don't think his legacy will be as great as the ideals he stood for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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