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I totally understand why we had a relatively negative approach against a decent side last night with the way we were set up. We tried to keep possession but regularly lacked options so often ended up having to go long with no success.

 

However, what I cannot understand is the lack of drive to get a win towards the end of the game. I didn't feel at any point we really went out to win that game. We were more concerned with stopping their attacking threats.

 

You need to win games to get out of this league with the 3 points for a win system. Draws do not really get you anywhere and the only positive is that it keeps us unbeaten in the league.

 

In future, if we play to negate the other sides threat, surely we can then go for it in the last 20 minutes if this tactic has worked. The way we played was like we were playing a premier league side in the cup.

 

For a start, get JET on earlier. He can be a liability but can win a game out of nothing. Baldock & Wilbraham struggled on the night (mainly through a lack of service to be fair) so he should have been given 15 minutes or so to have an influence on the game. Or we just could have played with a bit more intensity towards the end...maybe we were a little tired after having played on the Saturday as well but it was the same for both teams.

 

I am not trying to be too negative after a good start to the season but to me, we gave Orient far too much respect last night.

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I agree, SC definitely approached this game with caution. To have JET, Wagstaff, Burns and Freeman as attacking options on the bench and not to use three of them (particularly JET) in a tight game like this was baffling. Even when he brought Freeman on it wasn't an attacking substitution as El Abd came on for Pack.

 

We looked worse in the last 10 mins without Pack and Orient started to come onto us.

 

SC got the substitutions wrong last night IMO but I'll give him credit for getting them right v Sheff U and COLU. The only way last nights subs can be explained is that he was happy with a point. At this stage in the season I can kind of understand that but when it comes to the final few months of the season we'll not be able to settle for draws like last night: we'll need wins.

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A game where we had one shot on target during the 90 minutes. I don't know how that equates to going for it.

A game we had a perfectly fair goal ruled out and would on another night have won.

I agree with KITR that JET should have come on earlier as a throw of the dice (and Pack stayed on).Elliot had faded out of the game somewhat, and didn't look like he wanted to risk taking a shot bizarrely, but the fact is we were in their final third for much of the final 20 minutes, so I dispute the idea that the end of the game was "disappointing" other than it didn't gain us a goal.

Credit must be given to Orient's defence, who charged down two Baldock shots and two from Joe. They may have had a shaky keeper, but their central defenders were as steady as Flint was up the other end.

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I wasn't there last night but from the SSN reports and the Post this morning it looked as if the two teams were evenly matched throughout the game.

Salako said the disallowed goal was 'a shocking decision' and having seen the incident on SSN this morning I'd agree with him. That said things tend to even out over 46 games and we'll get a dodgy decision go our way at some point.

Btw - Salako seems to cover most City games covered by Sky so does he live locally?

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Expect we might see a more aggressive approach against Rochdale, but can understand caution being the watch-word last night.

 

A point against Orient now isn't bad when you look at the upcoming fixtures we have; the two away matches against Rochdale and Notts County should be games we can go for, hopefully getting four-to-six points from, before S****horpe at home, who've started like they miss League Two and want to get back as soon as possible, and still have to play four hard games before they head to the Gate.

 

Perhaps that early cup exit and bye in the Paint Trophy will pay off after all...

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A game we had a perfectly fair goal ruled out and would on another night have won.

I agree with KITR that JET should have come on earlier as a throw of the dice (and Pack stayed on).Elliot had faded out of the game somewhat, and didn't look like he wanted to risk taking a shot bizarrely, but the fact is we were in their final third for much of the final 20 minutes, so I dispute the idea that the end of the game was "disappointing" other than it didn't gain us a goal.

Credit must be given to Orient's defence, who charged down two Baldock shots and two from Joe. They may have had a shaky keeper, but their central defenders were as steady as Flint was up the other end.

 

Yes there were a few occasions where we could have taken a shot at goal and declined. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on our interpretation of the way we approached the end of the game. Yes we had a couple of breaks where something might have come of it, but I didn't feel like we were in their third for the last 20 minutes.

 

Anyway, I don't want to come across as too negative. I just want the side to understand that draws don't help with going for promotion in this league. Look at Preston last year. Too many draws mean they miss out and lose in playoffs. Further to this, Peterborough lost 4 more games than us last season and made the playoffs because they drew so few matches.

 

Need to set our sights high even if it is unlikely we will end up in the top two. With this squad we should be challenging.

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I totally understand why we had a relatively negative approach against a decent side last night with the way we were set up. We tried to keep possession but regularly lacked options so often ended up having to go long with no success.

 

However, what I cannot understand is the lack of drive to get a win towards the end of the game. I didn't feel at any point we really went out to win that game. We were more concerned with stopping their attacking threats.

 

You need to win games to get out of this league with the 3 points for a win system. Draws do not really get you anywhere and the only positive is that it keeps us unbeaten in the league.

 

In future, if we play to negate the other sides threat, surely we can then go for it in the last 20 minutes if this tactic has worked. The way we played was like we were playing a premier league side in the cup.

 

For a start, get JET on earlier. He can be a liability but can win a game out of nothing. Baldock & Wilbraham struggled on the night (mainly through a lack of service to be fair) so he should have been given 15 minutes or so to have an influence on the game. Or we just could have played with a bit more intensity towards the end...maybe we were a little tired after having played on the Saturday as well but it was the same for both teams.

 

I am not trying to be too negative after a good start to the season but to me, we gave Orient far too much respect last night.

Think certain football managers would rather take the point than have to face the press, supporters and training next day having lost.

Think SC, in hindsight , will see it as a solid point despite his outrage in the disallowed goal, insisting he was out to win it from the start and stating that whilst he's Bristol City manager he wants supporters to come expecting a City win, and players to be downbeat after a draw.

Let's not forget also that he knew Orient were no mugs.

His options were to get JET and Freeman on, a lot earlier than he did, or not. In the end he didn't twist.

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Salako said the disallowed goal was 'a shocking decision' and having seen the incident on SSN this morning I'd agree with him. That said things tend to even out over 46 games and we'll get a dodgy decision go our way at some point.

I've never understood the theory that things "even out" over a season. Why is 38/46 games the magic number of parity. If you flipped a coin 46 times, you aren't gonna get 23 heads and 23 tails.

No doubt we'll benefit from some decisions and suffer from others, but I doubt it will be down the middle.

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I wasn't there last night but from the SSN reports and the Post this morning it looked as if the two teams were evenly matched throughout the game.

Salako said the disallowed goal was 'a shocking decision' and having seen the incident on SSN this morning I'd agree with him. That said things tend to even out over 46 games and we'll get a dodgy decision go our way at some point.

Btw - Salako seems to cover most City games covered by Sky so does he live locally?

 

Not sure, but John Salako has always been more than fair to City when covering our matches.

 

Seems to have a real soft spot for us, for no particular reason, and therefore one of my favourite pundits.

 

In the same way, Peter Beagrie rarely has a good word to say about City and any faint praise seems through gritted teeth.

 

I've learnt to loathe the blighter for that reason.

 

You can only think their respective outlooks on City are affected by memories of matches played against City, any controversial games or incidents, and the receptions they each received from the crowd.

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All very well to say in hindsight... can you imagine what people would be saying if we had brought JET on, and conceded and lost...

 

I have seen nothing from JET this season and pre season that makes me think he could come on and make a difference...perhaps SC thinks the same.

 

We don't see players training during the week, we don't see their mindset, we don't know what niggling injuries they have, or what their fitness levels are.

 

At the beginning of the season, we would all have taken 7 points from 9.

We are unbeaten...we didn't concede last night and we were not out played.

 

We can build on this confidence.

 

Orient and Sheffield have both lost... we haven't...

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I've never understood the theory that things "even out" over a season. Why is 38/46 games the magic number of parity. If you flipped a coin 46 times, you aren't gonna get 23 heads and 23 tails.

No doubt we'll benefit from some decisions and suffer from others, but I doubt it will be down the middle.

A research article was done which concluded that 'they even themselves out over the course of a season' is complete bollox. There was a Cricket captain who lost 17 tosses on the bounce, quite a predominant one I think and it may be that he lost the captaincy because of it.

It is a useful line for both benefactors and victims at any given time, though.

Not sure, but John Salako has always been more than fair to City when covering our matches.

 

Seems to have a real soft spot for us, for no particular reason, and therefore one of my favourite pundits.

 

In the same way, Peter Beagrie rarely has a good word to say about City and any faint praise seems through gritted teeth.

 

I've learnt to loathe the blighter for that reason.

 

You can only think their respective outlooks on City are affected by memories of matches played against City, any controversial games or incidents, and the receptions they each received from the crowd.

Remember Salarko starring in the 3-3 down here when Reading took an early 2-0 lead. It was a good game tbf. That**** Copple gave us **** all credit for it mind you.
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A research article was done which concluded that 'they even themselves out over the course of a season' is complete bollox. There was a Cricket captain who lost 17 tosses on the bounce, quite a predominant one I think and it may be that he lost the captaincy because of it.

Did he win the next 17 tosses? Law of averages and all that.

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All very well to say in hindsight... can you imagine what people would be saying if we had brought JET on, and conceded and lost...

I have seen nothing from JET this season and pre season that makes me think he could come on and make a difference...perhaps SC thinks the same.

We don't see players training during the week, we don't see their mindset, we don't know what niggling injuries they have, or what their fitness levels are.

At the beginning of the season, we would all have taken 7 points from 9.

We are unbeaten...we didn't concede last night and we were not out played.

We can build on this confidence.

Orient and Sheffield have both lost... we haven't...

I just think Wilbraham was looking tired - possibly as a result of the continuous manhandling he got no protection from the ref from - and JET on at the 80 minutes mark might've given a fresh perspective.

If he'd been there on the edge of the box for those back-to-back corners, who knows, he might've blasted one in. We've seen it before.

I'm not advocating starting him.

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Did he win the next 17 tosses? Law of averages and all that.

Don't know, think he was dropped.

Point being, for things to even themselves out over 'the course of a season' would be a statistical freak of mathematics. And that's before you add subjective factors such as home supporter persuasion etc. Swore we won a throw in last night due to the crowed collectively yelling 'OUR BALL!!'.

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You can only think their respective outlooks on City are affected by memories of matches played against City, any controversial games or incidents, and the receptions they each received from the crowd.

Remember Salako playing against us for Reading at home (Billy Mercer was in goal; we won 3-2, one of theirs from Salako) and sitting in the Ateyo, just behind the corner flag when he was taking one, some wag shouted in a quiet moment "Salako, you (insert rude word)!" to which he turned around, big smile on his face, and enthusiastically waved to the crowd, prompting mirth and even a little applause.

 

Always had a soft spot for him after that amusing moment.

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Salako said the disallowed goal was 'a shocking decision' and having seen the incident on SSN this morning I'd agree with him. That said things tend to even out over 46 games and we'll get a dodgy decision go our way at some point.

 

 

Things don't "even themselves out". That's complete bollocks.

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Remember Salako playing against us for Reading at home (Billy Mercer was in goal; we won 3-2, one of theirs from Salako) and sitting in the Ateyo, just behind the corner flag when he was taking one, some wag shouted in a quiet moment "Salako, you (insert rude word)!" to which he turned around, big smile on his face, and enthusiastically waved to the crowd, prompting mirth and even a little applause.

Always had a soft spot for him after that amusing moment.

Always liked that some players can take the abuse they get from oppositions fans & not take it to heart as it's normally only silly banter don't think it's right when someone over steps it & makes it personally though really is pointless nasty & pathetic.

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Remember Salako playing against us for Reading at home (Billy Mercer was in goal; we won 3-2, one of theirs from Salako) and sitting in the Ateyo, just behind the corner flag when he was taking one, some wag shouted in a quiet moment "Salako, you (insert rude word)!" to which he turned around, big smile on his face, and enthusiastically waved to the crowd, prompting mirth and even a little applause.

 

Always had a soft spot for him after that amusing moment.

Yes he scored against us more often then not remember him scoring a couple for Swansea at AG

in a 3-1 defeat in the 1989/90 promotion season

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Not sure, but John Salako has always been more than fair to City when covering our matches.

 

Seems to have a real soft spot for us, for no particular reason, and therefore one of my favourite pundits.

 

In the same way, Peter Beagrie rarely has a good word to say about City and any faint praise seems through gritted teeth.

 

I've learnt to loathe the blighter for that reason.

 

You can only think their respective outlooks on City are affected by memories of matches played against City, any controversial games or incidents, and the receptions they each received from the crowd.

 

 

Salako's ok and he may have a soft spot for us, but he's jinx.

 

We seem to lose whenever he's covering one of our games.

 

Glad that wasn't the case again last night.

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He's right. It's a nonsensical cliche to say "things even themselves out". Why would they? Think about it.

The 'the rub of the green' or 'good fortune' are common occcurances in virtually all sports not least football.

I play both indoor and outdoor lawn bowls and the run of green will go your way in one match and then desert you in another. Over a season it works out roughly 50/50.

Same in football.

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All very well to say in hindsight... can you imagine what people would be saying if we had brought JET on, and conceded and lost...

 

I have seen nothing from JET this season and pre season that makes me think he could come on and make a difference...perhaps SC thinks the same.

 

We don't see players training during the week, we don't see their mindset, we don't know what niggling injuries they have, or what their fitness levels are.

 

At the beginning of the season, we would all have taken 7 points from 9.

We are unbeaten...we didn't concede last night and we were not out played.

 

We can build on this confidence.

 

Orient and Sheffield have both lost... we haven't...

 

Well said Bud the first sentence is exactly what I was thinking, 7 points out of 9 what's the problem?, Rochdale looks like it could be a potential banana skin, the sort of game any of our past managers in the last 5 years would not be relishing, but I believe we will get something.

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Prove it.

There's no reason for it to and it doesn't.

There's every reason for it to.  "Bad decisions" are just random.  Randomness is just that. Given a big enough sample, over a season, then with 1 of 2 outcomes, you are going to get roughly even outcomes.

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