BFG Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 I was watching a documentary on how blood lines in countries are no longer "pure", for example, in France soon there will not be enough "white French people" left to keep up with the non white French maybe not French immigrants etc etc. So their culture is starting to have an effect. They also stated, that the same is happening to England. Traditional English folk have less children per family compared to the immigrants we have seen since the 1960s. Islam is also the fastest growing religion in the uk, and we also have functioning sharia courts in the uk, halal meat etc Does anyone feel, there will be a time, where Christianity is no longer the national religion and Islam is? Along with different official languages etc? If / when this does happen, we will see a big rise in right wing groups? For example, ukip now getting a bigger rise, but I am meaning the bnp etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Oh dear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 I was watching a documentary on how blood lines in countries are no longer "pure", for example, in France soon there will not be enough "white French people" left to keep up with the non white French maybe not French immigrants etc etc. So their culture is starting to have an effect. They also stated, that the same is happening to England. Traditional English folk have less children per family compared to the immigrants we have seen since the 1960s. Islam is also the fastest growing religion in the uk, and we also have functioning sharia courts in the uk, halal meat etc Does anyone feel, there will be a time, where Christianity is no longer the national religion and Islam is? Along with different official languages etc? If / when this does happen, we will see a big rise in right wing groups? For example, ukip now getting a bigger rise, but I am meaning the bnp etc.Yes and a lot quicker than you may think. There is a theory out there which says you must be producing 2.2 offspring to keep your people from dying out. Most western countries are under that. Most christian and catholic countries are under that. There are not many cultures above it in the world. The Muslim people are way above it, and will be far the most dominant religion in the world in 50 years. Come back here in 200 years time I wouldn't mind most if not all of Europe is ruled by Muslims. That is the trouble many so called Christians don't practice or follow their religion, so it is dying on its arse, it is no wonder we are route for it being a minority practising religion in the UK within many peoples lifetimes on this board. Once it gets to tipping point how do you change the tide. Personally I would prefer it if we were a secular state, as we may as well be given the state of our religions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Yes and a lot quicker than you may think. There is a theory out there which says you must be producing 2.2 offspring to keep your people from dying out. Most western countries are under that. Most christian and catholic countries are under that. There are not many cultures above it in the world. The Muslim people are way above it, and will be far the most dominant religion in the world in 50 years. Come back here in 200 years time I wouldn't mind most if not all of Europe is ruled by Muslims. That is the trouble many so called Christians don't practice or follow their religion, so it is dying on its arse, it is no wonder we are route for it being a minority practising religion in the UK within many peoples lifetimes on this board. Once it gets to tipping point how do you change the tide. Personally I would prefer it if we were a secular state, as we may as well be given the state of our religions. .....a Catholic priest once told me that the Muslims would take this country due to the anti-Christian Marxism being allowed to flourish and that was some 30 years ago. I laughed off the suggestion saying there aren't many Muslims here, his reply was there are but you haven't noticed. Any Catholic historian will be able to tell you of the great many threats faced by the Christian West by the Muslim East over the past 1,000 years. Greece was under Muslim tyranny for 500 years in that period and we lost the Holy Lands to the Muslim hordes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 People like Tony Blair would be delighted.if there was no longer any indigenous English / Welsh / Scottish / Ulster cultures. They see people as numbers to be managed and told how to think; and saw mass immigration.as a quick fix to destroy those cultures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 .....a Catholic priest once told me that the Muslims would take this country due to the anti-Christian Marxism being allowed to flourish and that was some 30 years ago. I laughed off the suggestion saying there aren't many Muslims here, his reply was there are but you haven't noticed. Any Catholic historian will be able to tell you of the great many threats faced by the Christian West by the Muslim East over the past 1,000 years. Greece was under Muslim tyranny for 500 years in that period and we lost the Holy Lands to the Muslim hordes. I remember a discussion had with a Pakistani Muslim taxi driver near on 20 years ago. I paraphrase, "I and my kind are here to chase the turbinators" (that bit wasn't paraphrased) "out of England then the world" "once this is done we will take the world" Never thought much of it until about 10 years ago. Certainly something worth thinking about considering how easily it was offered up in such a general manner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Litoris Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 perhaps if you're all so worried you could go to a church instead of dreaming up wild and fanciful futures where the whole world is forced to be a muslim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 I remember a discussion had with a Pakistani Muslim taxi driver near on 20 years ago. I paraphrase, "I and my kind are here to chase the turbinators" (that bit wasn't paraphrased) "out of England then the world" "once this is done we will take the world" Never thought much of it until about 10 years ago. Certainly something worth thinking about considering how easily it was offered up in such a general manner The brave Sikhs with their turbans held out against Muslim tyranny in India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 perhaps if you're all so worried you could go to a church instead of dreaming up wild and fanciful futures where the whole world is forced to be a muslim? Like I said,I'd rather a secular state, I am not a believer of religion. But for a christian country, we do seem to turn the other cheek a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFG Posted September 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 perhaps if you're all so worried you could go to a church instead of dreaming up wild and fanciful futures where the whole world is forced to be a muslim? I don't think my post was about that, it was more that the culture of britian will be changed within a number of years. It's fact that there will be , more non white british people than "native" people at a set point in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 perhaps if you're all so worried you could go to a church instead of dreaming up wild and fanciful futures where the whole world is forced to be a muslim? .....I'd like nothing better than for you to live as a servile dhimmi in a Caliphate. Pay your Jizyah you Marxist peasant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Like I said,I'd rather a secular state, I am not a believer of religion. But for a christian country, we do seem to turn the other cheek a lot I thought Christians were supposed to turn the other cheek?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 I thought Christians were supposed to turn the other cheek?!?! That is why I said it They will keep turning it until what they stand for is gone. All a bit pointless really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Like I said,I'd rather a secular state, I am not a believer of religion. But for a christian country, we do seem to turn the other cheek a lot it's the only way to go mate and it does work in France (well something has to). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Mosquito Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 That is why I said it They will keep turning it until what they stand for is gone. All a bit pointless really! Re-instate the Poor Fellow Soldiers of Christ - The Knights Templar - then we'll see. .....and Bristol was once a Templar city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SARJ Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 I was watching a documentary on how blood lines in countries are no longer "pure", for example, in France soon there will not be enough "white French people" left to keep up with the non white French maybe not French immigrants etc etc. So their culture is starting to have an effect. They also stated, that the same is happening to England. Traditional English folk have less children per family compared to the immigrants we have seen since the 1960s. Islam is also the fastest growing religion in the uk, and we also have functioning sharia courts in the uk, halal meat etc Does anyone feel, there will be a time, where Christianity is no longer the national religion and Islam is? Along with different official languages etc? If / when this does happen, we will see a big rise in right wing groups? For example, ukip now getting a bigger rise, but I am meaning the bnp etc. To get back on track with the original post, I couldn't agree more. I am no racist, I'm a firm beliver that anyone can be English in both culture and identity regardless of skin colour. But the rise of Islam massivley concerns me. The left wing politicians have also made even discussing the issue dangerous, as your normal English folk who have genuine conerns can't voice them without being branded a racist. 20 years ago there was no EDL, there was no Brtain First Activists and there was no UKIP. The reason for the rise of the right is simple: people have genuine concerns and can't voice them in any other way other than by votes. I pray good old England of the bygone World War eras does not die out, for I truly believe we are one of the greatest countries in the world. I hope our culture, identity and Church of England does not disappear. Islam seriously worries me. I know you can't tarnish all with the same brush, but even moderate Muslims don't do enough to speak out against the extremists. I personally think Islam and the West will never be compatable, competely differing foundations and mindsets. Regardless of some abuse I will undoubtedly get for this comment, but I also think Muslims are the worst 'integrating' part of multicultural Britain. You never hear of any trouble with the Sikhs, Jews, Hindus, but I increasingly see huge Muslim parades calling for Sharia Law and the killing of British police when all the Muslim Council of Britain do to combat this is post a one sentence twitter rebuttal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team In Keynsham Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 To get back on track with the original post, I couldn't agree more. I am no racist, I'm a firm beliver that anyone can be English in both culture and identity regardless of skin colour. But the rise of Islam massivley concerns me. The left wing politicians have also made even discussing the issue dangerous, as your normal English folk who have genuine conerns can't voice them without being branded a racist. 20 years ago there was no EDL, there was no Brtain First Activists and there was no UKIP. The reason for the rise of the right is simple: people have genuine concerns and can't voice them in any other way other than by votes. I pray good old England of the bygone World War eras does not die out, for I truly believe we are one of the greatest countries in the world. I hope our culture, identity and Church of England does not disappear. Islam seriously worries me. I know you can't tarnish all with the same brush, but even moderate Muslims don't do enough to speak out against the extremists. I personally think Islam and the West will never be compatable, competely differing foundations and mindsets. Regardless of some abuse I will undoubtedly get for this comment, but I also think Muslims are the worst 'integrating' part of multicultural Britain. You never hear of any trouble with the Sikhs, Jews, Hindus, but I increasingly see huge Muslim parades calling for Sharia Law and the killing of British police when all the Muslim Council of Britain do to combat this is post a one sentence twitter rebuttal. Why did you bother to note that you can't tarnish all with same brush, and then go and get a big tar-soaked brush out? Not questioning the sincerity of your beliefs, but smacks of a classic case of - make statement A - insert "but" after statement A - make statement B that contradicts statement A [irony hat on with my use of same sentence construction] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 5% of the nation in 2011 were Muslim. I don't have more up to date numbers than that but at best (or worst) it will be 6% Hardly anything to get worried about even if you find it worrying, which I don't. Source: Office for National Statistics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 It's just like the Celts/Romans/Angles/Saxons/Jukes/Vikings/Normans all over again. (Only the Normans were Christian when they got here ...and they came with big swords and killed lots of people) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambridge Batch Red Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 British cities are becoming cess pits. Fried chicken shops everywhere - who eats that shit? and pubs converted into curry houses/supermarkets and flats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 British cities are becoming cess pits. Fried chicken shops everywhere - who eats that shit? and pubs converted into curry houses/supermarkets and flats. What does that have to do with this thread? The main customer in the chicken shops are white Brits who are pissed up on an evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 5% of the nation in 2011 were Muslim. I don't have more up to date numbers than that but at best (or worst) it will be 6% Hardly anything to get worried about even if you find it worrying, which I don't. Source: Office for National Statistics Baby boys names in England 2013. Top of the list, Oliver, 6,656 14th Muhammad 3,456 23rd Mohammed 2,840 56th Mohammad 1,051 Add together the variant spellings of the same name and it comes out as the most popular choice for boys in England last year with 7,356. Source: Office For National Statistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Baby boys names in England 2013. Top of the list, Oliver, 6,656 14th Muhammad 3,456 23rd Mohammed 2,840 56th Mohammad 1,051 Add together the variant spellings of the same name and it comes out as the most popular choice for boys in England last year with 7,356. Source: Office For National Statistics. Why didn't you add other variants of names together? Because it didn't suit your agenda Jake and Jacob combined is actually number one. Also, the 5% stat is a lot more relevant. The name Muhammed is by far the most popular for Muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Baby boys names in England 2013. Top of the list, Oliver, 6,656 14th Muhammad 3,456 23rd Mohammed 2,840 56th Mohammad 1,051 Add together the variant spellings of the same name and it comes out as the most popular choice for boys in England last year with 7,356. Source: Office For National Statistics. I can't be arsed to read the whole if this thread. I'd imagine it's identical to every other thread on non football chat. But this appears to be a very poor effort at manipulating statistics to scaremonger. Poor, very poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 I can't be arsed to read the whole if this thread. I'd imagine it's identical to every other thread on non football chat. But this appears to be a very poor effort at manipulating statistics to scaremonger. Poor, very poor. Yes, full of unsubstantiated scaremongering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Why didn't you add other variants of names together? Because it didn't suit your agenda Jake and Jacob combined is actually number one. Also, the 5% stat is a lot more relevant. The name Muhammed is by far the most popular for Muslims. What agenda? He got his stats from the same source as you!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Why didn't you add other variants of names together? Because it didn't suit your agenda Jake and Jacob combined is actually number one. Also, the 5% stat is a lot more relevant. The name Muhammed is by far the most popular for Muslims. I can't be arsed to read the whole if this thread. I'd imagine it's identical to every other thread on non football chat. But this appears to be a very poor effort at manipulating statistics to scaremonger. Poor, very poor. Dear, oh, dear. Firstly - Dave, I don't have an agenda. The list is at the very least interesting, and imo relevant to your previous post. Fordy - it's not manipulating at all and it is not scaremongering, it's there in black and white. Make of it what you will - or nothing at all - but really no need to shoot the messenger. P.S. FYI Dave, Jake and Jacob do not add up to more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 What agenda? He got his stats from the same source as you!!! Why don't you read what I wrote... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Litoris Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 What agenda? He got his stats from the same source as you!!! But if he didn't have an agenda he would have compared it with other names with variants himself. That's what presenting a balanced and objective argument is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFG Posted September 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Jake and Jacob isn't the same name. Jim and James isn't the same name. Muhammad spelt in whichever fashion is the same name. I don't see why we can't have a grown up chat about these things, without bickering, people calling each other racists etc. Some people have serious concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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