cider-manc Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 I really hope it's not us- And I really believe it isn't us. Leaving all personal morals aside as well as the argument of if he's guilty/not guilty and looking at it from a purely selfish bristol City point of view... it would sour what has been a great season so far, cover us in negative press and divide the fans. Looking at it from a moral stand point I would find it difficult to show any support to a team that had him or anyone with a similar conviction in anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredTheRed08 Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/6234928/Evans-set-for-Oldham.html?CMP=spklr-127128504-Editorial-TWITTER-TheSunNewspaper-20150104-Sport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cardy Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Oh dear I think Little Lee may be gambling with his short management career with this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredTheRed08 Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'm surprised Gary didn't talk him out of it ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Shame on LJ and Oldham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 I really hope it's not us- And I really believe it isn't us. Leaving all personal morals aside as well as the argument of if he's guilty/not guilty and looking at it from a purely selfish bristol City point of view... it would sour what has been a great season so far, cover us in negative press and divide the fans. Looking at it from a moral stand point I would find it difficult to show any support to a team that had him or anyone with a similar conviction in anyway. Totally agree. The thought of young kids with Evans on the back of the shirt is enough to make you feel sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBrizzleRobin Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 I've little to add to the Chad Evans debate as its been pretty done to death other than it could be the signing they need to make the playoffs. He's free to be employed again and try to rebuild, if he can, his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS13 Robin Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 thing that I find strange with this is that he has always said he was innocent but he never appealed the verdict or sentence! if that was me and I was convinced I didn't do it I would be appealing it for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 He has a point. I avoid his films but mainly because they are shit. I really enjoyed Departed and Shooter. I didn't realise that he was a convicted thug, had blinded someone and made racist assaults. He says that he paid for his crimes , does not feel guilty and wakes up feeling good about himself. I really don't want us to sign him either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredTheRed08 Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 He was found guilty by a jury of committing the crime - he also did the time. His sentence is now complete so he should be allowed to earn a living. That said footballers are role models for society so he needs to show some genuine remorse while training at Oldham. The fact he is still appealing his sentence tells me he believes he has done nothing wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 The only time he will get anywhere near Ashton Gate is to play against City for the filthy club that employs him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 thing that I find strange with this is that he has always said he was innocent but he never appealed the verdict or sentence! if that was me and I was convinced I didn't do it I would be appealing it for sure He has appealed, twice, and the conviction remains. He's currently appealing for the 3rd time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Cloud Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 To be fair, our judicial process is pretty solid in this country, is it not? I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have been convicted unless there was very strong evidence against him. Just because he denies it doesn't mean he didn't do it. Lots of people try and convince themselves they're innocent and can't admit the truth. I'd say it was one of the most farcical and easily abused in the world, it rarely seems to protect the innocent (IMO) but back to the point... Contrast public attitude to Ched Evans and Mike Tyson who was hero worshipped here and doesn't even try to make out he was innocent - I know he's banned now from the UK but why the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Rizzle Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 He was found guilty by a jury of committing the crime - he also did the time. His sentence is now complete so he should be allowed to earn a living. That said footballers are role models for society so he needs to show some genuine remorse while training at Oldham. The fact he is still appealing his sentence tells me he believes he has done nothing wrong. I think the remorse thing is the issue. I and many others are all for giving people a second chance and recognising that he's done his time. The point is he WAS convicted but is continually claiming his innocence. Until he either shows some remorse or wins an appeal (if he is in fact innocent) it makes it very difficult for clubs to morally give him that second chance. It's too full of contradiction and takes the piss out of the victim by continually saying he was wrongly convicted. Obviously if he's innocent he should be appealing to clear his name. But, assuming he's guilty as he was convicted, I think if he had come out of prison and shown remorse he'd proably be a Sheff Utd player now and will have been for a couple of months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Oldham forum is in meltdown. Hopefully they will listen to the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Oldham...or is it Port Vale? http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/418353/Convicted-rapist-Ched-Evans-Port-Vale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciderup Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Port Vale perhaps? http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/418362/Convicted-rapist-Ched-Evans-Port-Vale EDIT: CL473 has already posted this. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco Rojo Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Roumours are its Port Vale now. Wait and see. Thank god its not us signing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Red Posted January 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Now it seems it's Port Vale ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 It's a good job Evans isn't coming to City. We've got our own whipping boy in Matt Smith that tall geezer who has committed the terrible crime of scoring loads of goals while unfit and showing no remorse whatsoever for this shameful behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Who to believe the sun or the star?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcityman Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 We can debate this for ever and a day, but the facts are that he was charged and found guilty by his peers, it matters neither here or there what may or may not happen in the future, the fact still remains that he is a convicted rapist and as such anyone with an ounce of morals should not touch this guy with a barge pole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am the mole Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Who to believe the sun or the star?!thats like asking would you rather shag your mother or your nan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash the Bash Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Totally agree. The thought of young kids with Evans on the back of the shirt is enough to make you feel sick. Surely the parents wouldn't allow that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Haven't really read much of this thread but I couldn't really feel more strongly about this. The first main point being, we have a very valuable person here, who could earn a decent wedge and pay a decent amount of tax. What benefit do we attain by forcing every job move he has to be incredibly difficult and tarnishing the reputation(s) of the various companies he works for in future? There has to be a stage where he has served his time, that's what our society is based on is it not? At what point do we deem an act so heinous that he should simply drift doing nothing for the rest of his life while we pay for him to live as we as a society are not allowing him to make his own way? Secondly, the details of the case are incredibly sketchy. The woman cannot remember what happened, and therefore she was unable to give consent and therefore she must have been raped, according to the courts. There were 2 footballers present, why was one freed and one prosecuted? If we reach a point where we're claiming that any woman who cannot remember having sex the night before was 'raped' then we would be in a very tricky situation indeed, and dare I say it, there would probably be a fair few 'rapists' on this board! I'm not for one minute suggesting there is such thing as a 'good' rape, but there is a clear distinction between this and a violent rape down an alley or something. Add to the fact that as a footballer, who collectively are very easily criticised down to their profession due to their behaviour, he was most likely made an example of, I actually think the handling of this Ched Evans saga is absolute nonsense. Let's remember this is all IF she failed to give consent. Let him get on with his career. The difference in cost to our nation between allowing him to play football and supporting him as he's unable to get a job would be huge. If we don't believe in rehabilitation (not that this necessarily applies) and re-accepting someone after they've paid their time then what do we have as a society? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS13 Robin Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 He has appealed, twice, and the conviction remains. He's currently appealing for the 3rd time. sorry dolly I didn't realize that I understood that he never appealed but now he has been released he was looking into it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 We can debate this for ever and a day, but the facts are that he was charged and found guilty by his peers, it matters neither here or there what may or may not happen in the future, the fact still remains that he is a convicted rapist and as such anyone with an ounce of morals should not touch this guy with a barge pole. As I said in my previous post, this is too simple minded an approach. Would you categorise him alongside someone who violently threatened a girl with a knife in a secluded location? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Surely the parents wouldn't allow that!Lee Evans might but then in brackets he'd have printed 'not the convicted rapist one' - just for the banter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddevon Posted January 4, 2015 Report Share Posted January 4, 2015 Thought a Sky News presenter just let slip it is Oldham, by saying "Oldham the un-named club ...." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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