Major Isewater Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 We all harp on about Rovers historically holding us back but is it really a bad thing to have two professional Football clubs in one city ? Manchester ,Liverpool and Sheffield are all examples of two club cities and whilst it has not been great recently in Yorkshire's capital both clubs have played at the highest level . Does the competition drive the clubs to higher performance ? I think it would be good for us if the Gas were more on our level either that or just disappear completely .It's the hanging on pretending that they matter that annoys me . When was the last time we coveted a Gas player ? So for me we need the rivalry it adds spice and interest to a result . Just so long as we keep the upper hand . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 It's good both ways. It's good to laugh at them, but there's nothing quite like the intensity of the derby. Especially when Marcus Bignot scores inside 30 seconds... How did that one end up again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 we are held back by general apathy not because its a two club city, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 It's good both ways. It's good to laugh at them, but there's nothing quite like the intensity of the derby. Especially when Marcus Bignot scores inside 30 seconds... How did that one end up again? best derby game I've been too, Peter Beadle changed that game for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTMS Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 We all harp on about Rovers historically holding us back but is it really a bad thing to have two professional Football clubs in one city ? All? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Two league clubs, but little chance of a derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted May 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 All? Ok Mr Picky ,a lot of City fans .Is that more to your taste ? Are you going to add something interesting to the debate or is that your best shot ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted May 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 we are held back by general apathy not because its a two club city, I'm afraid General Apathy pulls rank . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fka dagest Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 When considering the lack of footballing success over 100+ years especially compared with other smaller cities and towns, it's hard to argue that two teams has been a blessing for a city like Bristol. Personally I'd like to see NLBR go bust. They've offered nothing throughout their history and I view them as a festering sore on Bristol. One big club in Bristol would make us a major football force in this country. Although it may take a couple of generations, I imagine average home crowds of 25000+ just at Championship level. And as for rivals? Others will fill their place as they have done in recent times, just like Cardiff or Swindon. Bristol City only for Bristol please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohbasso Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 I don't think having the 15ers share our city with us has ever helped us as a club. Newcastle, Sunderland, Leicester, Derby, Southampton, Norwich, Wolves and Leeds are all one club cities that have had more success than our club. They all still have passionate derbys with neighbouring cities as well. So I don't buy all this we need each other talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 I don't go along with this apathy nonsense, when you think of what the Bristolian football public have had to put up with over the years I think it's a great effort that an average of nearly 20,000 supporters watched lower league football last season which is not far behind many footballing hotbeds in the North Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 I don't go along with this apathy nonsense, when you think of what the Bristolian football public have had to put up with over the years I think it's a great effort that an average of nearly 20,000 supporters watched lower league football last season which is not far behind many footballing hotbeds in the North thats two clubs in a city that has around 400k available to it, its very poor in the grand scheme of it all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Neither Cardiff or Swindon is anything like a game vs the Gas. Love it love it love it. Coming into work and having some banter with them after they've lost and we've won, then the next week hiding in the bogs till lunch time to avoid their cackling voices at our recent defeat to Crewe (or whoever). I don't hate Rovers, I don't hate Gasheads and anyone who really says they do need to get out a bit more. Yes they take fans from us and other resources but meh, who cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 If Rovers were competitive enough to compete in a league derby within the last 14 years, I may be convinced that a two club city is a good thing. It's interesting that you cite Manchester and Liverpool as a comparable two club city. Liverpool brags the most trophies between its two clubs, Manchester United is the most successful club, outright. The proof is in the pudding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS2 Red Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 As much as I hate the gas, it would be fantastic if we had a proper rivalry in the Premier League. Imagine if we had a derby day twice a season like Man U v Man City or Arsenal v Tottenham or Liverpool v Everton! The passion, the excitement and the stakes would be so high! Sadly both Bristol teams are a long long way off of being a competitive force in the Premier League. City might get there in the next few seasons, but we should not kid ourselves that it would be anything but a struggle to survive up there. Rovers have no chance of ever getting there, becoming a solid mid-table League One has to be their realistic dream with maybe the odd season in the Championship (a bit like Yeovil managed). Rovers are a long way off of even that modest goal though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 This old chestnut again...........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezgimed Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 This old chestnut again...........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Don't you have a crossword to do or a chair to go nap in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoldenBall Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 I'd say at the moment our rivalry with Swindon is much more intense than the one with The Sportsman FC. Being competitive in the same league and coming from another town seems to stir up a great rivalry. The 15'ers don't offer that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 The main appeal of Bristol being a two club city is derby day. Only we haven't had a league derby since 2001 so that argument becomes null and void. I honestly can't see the point of 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandare 1966 Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 It,s great and most of the time we are top dogs anyway makes no difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten minutes of rough Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Don't you have a crossword to do or a chair to go nap in? The main appeal of Bristol being a two club city is derby day. Only we haven't had a league derby since 2001 so that argument becomes null and void. I honestly can't see the point of 'em. That they are an old established football league club for starters? Derby's are not the sole reason that having two clubs in Bristol, it is obviously a deep rooted cultural reason for supporting either City or Rovers, what would you rather have the other half or quarter of Bristol football fans wear the shirts of either the current Prem champions or the Gas? The point of 'em' is as much the same reasons that I suppose, you support the City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 thats two clubs in a city that has around 400k available to it, its very poor in the grand scheme of it all As Harrys says if you look at the shite both sets of fans have had to put up with over the last 20/25 years i dont think the attendences are that bad at all.. If Bristol was a one club City and had the same sorts of success as say a Leeds United or Nottingham Forest the support would have been there in the big numbers.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaverface Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Let me rephrase it, should football move to a European Super league where just the top 10 clubs in the Premier league compete agains the rest of Europe? After all, all other footballs clubs seem irrelevant !! IMO, what makes English football great is the number and depth of football teams around the Country, and that's why historically the FA Cup used (another topic I know) to be such a great competition. Although I dislike the gash, we still thrive off each other for banter no matter how low down the leagues we are both in. Bristolian's need a little bit of success to back their teams otherwise we just give up. Doesn't matter which division we're in, if the team is struggling, both clubs struggle for numbers, but the rivalry is still there bubbling under the surface day in day out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Let me rephrase it, should football move to a European Super league where just the top 10 clubs in the Premier league compete agains the rest of Europe? After all, all other footballs clubs seem irrelevant !! IMO, what makes English football great is the number and depth of football teams around the Country, and that's why historically the FA Cup used (another topic I know) to be such a great competition. Although I dislike the gash, we still thrive off each other for banter no matter how low down the leagues we are both in. Bristolian's need a little bit of success to back their teams otherwise we just give up. Doesn't matter which division we're in, if the team is struggling, both clubs struggle for numbers, but the rivalry is still there bubbling under the surface day in day out. people would lose intrest in the super league quite quickly imo, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 Leeds were watched by an average of 24,000 last season, nearly 20,000 watched the Bristol clubs, not bad in my opinion considering the dire rubbish us and Rovers have had to put up with over the years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NATCHER Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 That they are an old established football league club for starters? On the contrary, they are the "newest" football league club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WTFiGO!?! Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 That they are an old established football league club for starters? Derby's are not the sole reason that having two clubs in Bristol, it is obviously a deep rooted cultural reason for supporting either City or Rovers, what would you rather have the other half or quarter of Bristol football fans wear the shirts of either the current Prem champions or the Gas? The point of 'em' is as much the same reasons that I suppose, you support the City.Football is also about competitiveness. Bristol not having a football club on the map is culturally embarrassing. All Rovers seem to do is bang on about how great they are and despise us, presumably for our ambition and "arrogance", whilst bringing bugardy squat to the table themselves. They do not help the actual plight of Bristol football, I agree though that I prefer a Rovers shirt in Bristol than a Lancashire or London one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 In Aberdeen everyone gets behind the one club. Dundee sees only friendly rivalry, not hatred between the two teams. Back in 82 there was no thought of following Rovers if City folded. Similarly, Rovers fans won't switch allegiance should they go bust. If there was only one club, kids growing up might follow the one club, but not the older generation. Did Swindon or Reading attract new fans when Oxford dropped out of the League? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 In Aberdeen everyone gets behind the one club. Dundee sees only friendly rivalry, not hatred between the two teams. Back in 82 there was no thought of following Rovers if City folded. Similarly, Rovers fans won't switch allegiance should they go bust. If there was only one club, kids growing up might follow the one club, but not the older generation. Did Swindon or Reading attract new fans when Oxford dropped out of the League? some would not many, if rovers folded of the 6-7k regulars they get 1 maybe 2k would come and watch us sooner or later but not many more then that, you'd have to wait a generation before that would happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted May 22, 2015 Report Share Posted May 22, 2015 what would you rather have the other half or quarter of Bristol football fans wear the shirts of either the current Prem champions or the Gas? . I'd rather have the whole of Bristol wearing City shirts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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