Mr Popodopolous Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Gap between JET and Tomlin and Cunningham to Golboirne were most damaging though IMO..though agreed Tomlin is superior now. Even putting aside the transfer disappointments of the summer our squad was actually somewhat weaker start of this year to end of last IMO. Tavernier, Cunningham, Elliott, JET out for varied reasons, fringe goalie releases and El Abd and Osborne surplus, Kodjia and few loanees inn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 1 minute ago, BRISTOL86 said: That'll do for me! Can we make this a sticky?! Love to know your source on that. Because surely if it's anyone other than JET it's every bit as much hearsay as what you're dismissing? The club had two seasons to offer him a new contract. To Tetbury's comment about pre deals who knows, but as TM is aware if you're contract is almost up and nothing is on the table then it is pretty clear that one is not coming so you make alternative arrangements. SC made it clear he didn't want him by 1 saying so 2 Not offering him a contract well before his deal ended. Again this is not hearsay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Forget these arguments about JET for goodness sake. What we should be worried about is that it's deadline day and the most interesting thread is about an ex-player going to another club! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 4 minutes ago, Alessandro said: Forget these arguments about JET for goodness sake. What we should be worried about is that it's deadline day and the most interesting thread is about an ex-player going to another club! I did say that earlier but Yep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 1 hour ago, BRISTOL86 said: I don't profess to be in the know, so can't answer that question, but I thought it was pretty much public knowledge that he wanted to go back to London. From the horses mouth, he was very happy in Bristol, planned on settling down here and producing a music project in St Pauls. He spent a fair amount of time in London, as he's very devoted to his family. When I spoke to me his long term plan was to stay at Bristol City and fight for his place, lovely guy ever time I've met him he's remembered my name and we've always had a laugh, now that SC is gone he'd undoubtedly come back if the circumstances arrived. PS he's not fat either, :laugh:. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 But surely if Cotts didn't see him as part of his plans then not renewing his contract was good management. Why would you give a new contract to a player you didn't see as part of your plans? What people appear to be saying is 'if I were the manager I'd have given him a new contract and played him more', but that's not the same as 'poor management'. Just that the manager's idea of the player's role in the team didn't align with your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_eastender Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Never mind all the arguments about whether or not he would have stayed in the summer... IF he is available on loan now would much rather have him here than helping out one of our relegation rivals!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 8 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: But surely if Cotts didn't see him as part of his plans then not renewing his contract was good management. Why would you give a new contract to a player you didn't see as part of your plans? What people appear to be saying is 'if I were the manager I'd have given him a new contract and played him more', but that's not the same as 'poor management'. Just that the manager's idea of the player's role in the team didn't align with your own. Strength in depth he was happy to fight for his plaace and when he got the opportunity him and Smith forged a formidable partnership which would stand up in this league, as we showed against Premier league Newcastle. Anyway he's gone now so let's forget about it and move on.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 10 minutes ago, old_eastender said: Never mind all the arguments about whether or not he would have stayed in the summer... IF he is available on loan now would much rather have him here than helping out one of our relegation rivals!!! Certainly hold the ball up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shtanley Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 21 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: But surely if Cotts didn't see him as part of his plans then not renewing his contract was good management. Why would you give a new contract to a player you didn't see as part of your plans? What people appear to be saying is 'if I were the manager I'd have given him a new contract and played him more', but that's not the same as 'poor management'. Just that the manager's idea of the player's role in the team didn't align with your own. So by your logic selling Cunningham was good management? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 If MK dons get Jet I will personally post a festering dog turd to Mark Ashton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 9 minutes ago, Shtanley said: So by your logic selling Cunningham was good management? Slightly different situation as it's clear there were personal issues between the two of them. My point was why would you offer a player who wasn't in your plans a new contract? If (say) the freed up wages allow you to sign player(s) to replace said player? Whether the fans agree or not on whether that player SHOULD be in the managers plans is a different issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderMB Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 We'll never know if it was good business or not. My opinion is that JET and Cunningham were sold because Cotts assumed that he'd be able to replace them adequately. Obviously, that didn't happen, and looking at how tame this transfer window has been, it won't happen. With what we know, it's been terrible business. We need players in both of these positions, and we've sold to rivals in this division. Ultimately, the blame has to go with the board. Either way, I wouldn't take JET back. League 1 is his level, and if we want to stay in this division we need a forward that can score goals in this division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 12 minutes ago, EnderMB said: We'll never know if it was good business or not. My opinion is that JET and Cunningham were sold because Cotts assumed that he'd be able to replace them adequately. Obviously, that didn't happen, and looking at how tame this transfer window has been, it won't happen. With what we know, it's been terrible business. We need players in both of these positions, and we've sold to rivals in this division. Ultimately, the blame has to go with the board. Either way, I wouldn't take JET back. League 1 is his level, and if we want to stay in this division we need a forward that can score goals in this division. Haven't we bought a left back now? And he looked pretty good on Saturday and Tomlin looked good for the JET role. If we are harping back to old players Orient have just bought Hunt. Didn't we need a right back now that Ayling is injured Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 55 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Slightly different situation as it's clear there were personal issues between the two of them. My point was why would you offer a player who wasn't in your plans a new contract? If (say) the freed up wages allow you to sign player(s) to replace said player? Whether the fans agree or not on whether that player SHOULD be in the managers plans is a different issue. I wasn't aware of a personal issue with SC and Cunningham. What was that all about or is it just an assumption that because of the form of Bryan, Cunningham must hate SC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderMB Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 27 minutes ago, Big C said: Haven't we bought a left back now? And he looked pretty good on Saturday and Tomlin looked good for the JET role. If we are harping back to old players Orient have just bought Hunt. Didn't we need a right back now that Ayling is injured Quite right. My main gripe is that it's taken half a season for us to repair the holes, while we sit in the relegation zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 1 hour ago, YorkshireSection said: Strength in depth he was happy to fight for his plaace and when he got the opportunity him and Smith forged a formidable partnership which would stand up in this league, as we showed against Premier league Newcastle. Anyway he's gone now so let's forget about it and move on.. And therein lies why I firmly believe the right decision was made even if he would have stayed and would have fought for his place, because with his talent simply he should never have been happy to stay at BCFC and fight for his place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 36 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: I wasn't aware of a personal issue with SC and Cunningham. What was that all about or is it just an assumption that because of the form of Bryan, Cunningham must hate SC? I was basing it on the fact that he had to be restrained from giving it some to Cotts after he scored his winning goal the other week. Also PNE fans on Twitter who made it clear he's had some rather choice words to say about SC at a players forum in Preston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 4 hours ago, REDOXO said: Hey B86 big day today so I wont waste anymore time on this, however JET would have signed the right contract if offered. He was part of a successful squad that had just won two trophies and is confident in his ability...He was not offered a contract by Bristol City because the manager didn't want him ) ....and how many £s would've been the right contract? Plus signing on fee? For a player who the manager didn't think would: 1) play much 2) not accept it, because he'd been courted by a team in London. Glad you weren't in charge of SL's money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: ....and how many £s would've been the right contract? Plus signing on fee? For a player who the manager didn't think would: 1) play much 2) not accept it, because he'd been courted by a team in London. Glad you weren't in charge of SL's money. SC was in charge of SL's money. He decided not to offer JET a con..... Oh eff it why am I bothering again...:laugh:!...Its all in the thread! We signed Darren Bent yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor10 Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Under Robinson he could flourish and will be accepted for the type of player he is. Big opportunity for him to show he can do it at this level consistently. I would say this is a good move for him & MK. Gutted though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Has he gone on loan to MK? Nothing on BBC transfers or MK web site? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric04 Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Confirmed. Signed for MK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevedon Red Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 2 hours ago, cidered abroad said: Has he gone on loan to MK? Nothing on BBC transfers or MK web site? Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 QPR always looked a bit of an odd move in my opinion with the way they sign players like there's no tomorrow. He's turning into something of a journeyman. Probably somewhere else next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furious Custard Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Now confirmed, I am so displeased to see him in a Dons shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBW Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Really disappointed in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrumpylegs Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Jet is the definition of a 'luxury' player. I won't pretend to know much about MK but I'll bet that this ain't what they need right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Make this nightmare end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 I'd have taken him in a flash.. Gos only knows what we a going to do for goals now! I can't seeing us getting out of this unless we scrape a few wins in and bring in a decent loan when the window opening, well done Cotts and the board for giving him too bloody long. ps are we getting a manager or are we supposed to presume the club are sticking with Pembo, I just don't remember reading anything on the official sight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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