Webzcas Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Not for the first time, my wife commented after I got back from the Birmingham game, that I smelt like I had been smoking. This as a result of being outside the Dolman vaping surrounded by smokers at half time. This weekend I am bringing my newly aqcuired TFV4 tank complete with a six coil setup. This should keep the smoke at bay. Its going to get very cloudy! Bring your fog lights! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmersonsKev Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Surprising that you smell of cigarette smoke after being stood in a designated smoking area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Wilde Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Birmingham game? Has she just given you permission to use the computer again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webzcas Posted February 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 minute ago, EmersonsKev said: Surprising that you smell of cigarette smoke after being stood in a designated smoking area. Bingo! As not allowed to vape inside with the non smokers! Vaping is not smoking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webzcas Posted February 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Just now, BCFCFreeman said: Birmingham game? Has she just given you permission to use the computer again? Yes BIRMINGHAM - were you not there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Webzcas said: Bingo! As not allowed to vape inside with the non smokers! Vaping is not smoking! It involves nicotine inhalation, so frankly I'd rather not share. It always amazes me (as an ex-smoker) that until recently, it was considered to be OK to spark up next to someone; if you bitch about it, you get all this bollocks about 'rights'; but if you sat down and farted next to someone, they'd rightly be upset. But unless you have a serious case of Delhi-belly, your fart is unlikely to be carcinogenic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 2 hours ago, SecretSam said: It involves nicotine inhalation, so frankly I'd rather not share. There's no second hand smoke issue with vaping at all. Banning it is ludicrous and done out of ignorance or for purely aesthetic reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Colby-Tit Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 3 hours ago, Webzcas said: Not for the first time, my wife commented after I got back from the Birmingham game, that I smelt like I had been smoking. This as a result of being outside the Dolman vaping surrounded by smokers at half time. This weekend I am bringing my newly aqcuired TFV4 tank complete with a six coil setup. This should keep the smoke at bay. Its going to get very cloudy! Bring your fog lights! #### that, why don't you stealth vape at your seat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red Rich Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 9 minutes ago, Sir Colby-Tit said: #### that, why don't you stealth vape at your seat? Go one further, the guy sat behind me on Saturday had no issues sparking up a few Bensons throughout the game!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 3 hours ago, Webzcas said: Not for the first time, my wife commented after I got back from the Birmingham game, that I smelt like I had been smoking. This as a result of being outside the Dolman vaping surrounded by smokers at half time. This weekend I am bringing my newly aqcuired TFV4 tank complete with a six coil setup. This should keep the smoke at bay. Its going to get very cloudy! Bring your fog lights! You could go in the new section for 'Authorised Smoke Flare & Pyrotechnics' users - it would be appreciated if you could vape red smoke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 18 minutes ago, Nibor said: There's no second hand smoke issue with vaping at all. Banning it is ludicrous and done out of ignorance or for purely aesthetic reasons. Oh no, not the ****ing vaping argument again ! From a distance in a crowd the stewards cannot tell vaping fumes from smoke, so, as you are on private property you have to abide by the rules i.e. no vaping. Sorry, nothing to do with aesthetic reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddBallJim Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 2 hours ago, SecretSam said: It involves nicotine inhalation, so frankly I'd rather not share. It always amazes me (as an ex-smoker) that until recently, it was considered to be OK to spark up next to someone; if you bitch about it, you get all this bollocks about 'rights'; but if you sat down and farted next to someone, they'd rightly be upset. But unless you have a serious case of Delhi-belly, your fart is unlikely to be carcinogenic! I have no problem if the person sat next to me farts. It's like a test of character. They await your response. So, I then let rip with equal or greater force. This leads to the guy next to me realising I have farted and then challenging me. I respond but this alerts the original farter who lets out another bottom burp. Eventually it gets to a point where there is a near continual stream of manly methane being emitted from the south stand until an old boy tries to join in and proceeds to shit all over the aisle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Colby-Tit Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, myol'man said: Oh no, not the ****ing vaping argument again ! From a distance in a crowd the stewards cannot tell vaping fumes from smoke, so, as you are on private property you have to abide by the rules i.e. no vaping. Sorry, nothing to do with aesthetic reasons From a distance the stewards can't tell if I'm drinking tea from a flask or bourbon. Should we ban flasks? If rules are nonsensical they are going to be flouted. Do you ever stand up at a game, or do you abide by the sitting rule as you are on private property? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 13 minutes ago, Sir Colby-Tit said: From a distance the stewards can't tell if I'm drinking tea from a flask or bourbon. Should we ban flasks? If rules are nonsensical they are going to be flouted. Do you ever stand up at a game, or do you abide by the sitting rule as you are on private property? I can't believe that flasks are still allowed, now you mention it. They are always going to contain either booze or scaling hot liquid. You can't worry about H&S in some ways but not in others. Ban the flask!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 19 minutes ago, myol'man said: Oh no, not the ****ing vaping argument again ! From a distance in a crowd the stewards cannot tell vaping fumes from smoke, so, as you are on private property you have to abide by the rules i.e. no vaping. Sorry, nothing to do with aesthetic reasons It's very easy to tell the difference between someone holding a cigarette and a ridiculous plastic pipe thing. Perhaps we should employ stewards with eyes. Or we could just be transparent about the fact that it's more to do with presenting a pleasing middle class aesthetic to the increasingly gentrified and affluent customer base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Colby-Tit Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 minute ago, Bar BS3 said: I can't believe that flasks are still allowed, now you mention it. They are always going to contain either booze or scaling hot liquid. You can't worry about H&S in some ways but not in others. Ban the flask!! And scarves, which people unbelievably put around their NECK!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 2 minutes ago, Nibor said: It's very easy to tell the difference between someone holding a cigarette and a ridiculous plastic pipe thing. Perhaps we should employ stewards with eyes. Or we could just be transparent about the fact that it's more to do with presenting a pleasing middle class aesthetic to the increasingly gentrified and affluent customer base. If only they let off more smoke canisters we could all have a vape, smoke, beer or whatever we fancied The new gaffer would have a distinct advantage as he would be the only person able to see beneath the blanket of red smoke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider-manc Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 minute ago, Bar BS3 said: I can't believe that flasks are still allowed, now you mention it. They are always going to contain either booze or scaling hot liquid. You can't worry about H&S in some ways but not in others. Ban the flask!! I recently had a work thing in a box at Spurs for their game against Everton- because the law states that you can't consume alcohol in view of the pitch they have this stupid blind half way back across half the box so that you can stand behind if you want to have a drink... all we did was pour our beers into the tea cups that were provided... no one said a word. As for Vaping.. People seem to have gone off the fact that the OP is simply suggesting that they shouldn't have to stand in the smoking section to use them at half time- not that they want to use it in their seat out on the terrace. A lot of clubs simply ban them from the terrace but allow you to use them in the concourse (Leeds the other weekend for example), which imo would be the best compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Colby-Tit Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 12 minutes ago, cider-manc said: A lot of clubs simply ban them from the terrace but allow you to use them in the concourse (Leeds the other weekend for example), which imo would be the best compromise. This just highlights the stupidity of the argument. It's OK to vape in the concourse, which is enclosed with a roof, but not on a terrace open to the elements. Where's the sense in that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 47 minutes ago, Sir Colby-Tit said: From a distance the stewards can't tell if I'm drinking tea from a flask or bourbon. Should we ban flasks? If rules are nonsensical they are going to be flouted. Do you ever stand up at a game, or do you abide by the sitting rule as you are on private property? Sit down shut up sit down shut up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 46 minutes ago, Nibor said: It's very easy to tell the difference between someone holding a cigarette and a ridiculous plastic pipe thing. Perhaps we should employ stewards with eyes. Or we could just be transparent about the fact that it's more to do with presenting a pleasing middle class aesthetic to the increasingly gentrified and affluent customer base. I'd not realised that vaping was a class based activity, how daft of me. Isn't it more to do with not subjecting people to large clouds of smoke/vapour whilst they are watching the match? I can understand the argument that it isn't smoking, but some of the vaping machines (? what are they called?) produce much larger clouds of whatever it is they produce than cigarettes do smoke, and it isn't just water vapour because some of them absolutely stink. If you really have to do it, I don't see the problem with being asked to go outside to do it. I have no idea how big the smoking area at AG is, but there must be a reasonable amount of outdoors space that you can stand in without ending up stinking of fags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cyril Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 hour ago, OddBallJim said: ...... until an old boy tries to join in and proceeds to shit all over the aisle. I am sorry. Most awkward. Quite frequent. Still at least I didn't vape anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said: I can't believe that flasks are still allowed, now you mention it. They are always going to contain either booze or scaling hot liquid. You can't worry about H&S in some ways but not in others. Ban the flask!! You're right because on occasion i work at Bristol airport. Had to go airport side to do some work, had to go through security and was told my flask wasn't allowed in because it contained liquid. Was disappointed because it was a freezing cold day. My van was also thoroughly checked through and was allowed to enter even though i had jerrycans full of petrol inside. Sometimes the rules are abit bizarre. Next time I will put my tea in the jerrycan hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 9 minutes ago, richwwtk said: I'd not realised that vaping was a class based activity, how daft of me. Isn't it more to do with not subjecting people to large clouds of smoke/vapour whilst they are watching the match? I can understand the argument that it isn't smoking, but some of the vaping machines (? what are they called?) produce much larger clouds of whatever it is they produce than cigarettes do smoke, and it isn't just water vapour because some of them absolutely stink. If you really have to do it, I don't see the problem with being asked to go outside to do it. I have no idea how big the smoking area at AG is, but there must be a reasonable amount of outdoors space that you can stand in without ending up stinking of fags. I neither smoke nor vape. And no, vaping isn't a class based activity - whinging about it and unnecessarily banning it seems to be though. It's nothing to do with avoiding the hazards of second hand mildly flavoured water vapour, so let's not pretend. There's no science supporting any problem with second hand vaping, it's just "waaa waaa I don't like it so ban it". By the way if you actually go and look outside the Dolman stand you'll see there is no reasonable amount of space at all and you wouldn't be able to vape out there and avoid cigarette smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 14 minutes ago, richwwtk said: I'd not realised that vaping was a class based activity, how daft of me. Isn't it more to do with not subjecting people to large clouds of smoke/vapour whilst they are watching the match? I can understand the argument that it isn't smoking, but some of the vaping machines (? what are they called?) produce much larger clouds of whatever it is they produce than cigarettes do smoke, and it isn't just water vapour because some of them absolutely stink. If you really have to do it, I don't see the problem with being asked to go outside to do it. I have no idea how big the smoking area at AG is, but there must be a reasonable amount of outdoors space that you can stand in without ending up stinking of fags. Oddly Rich, I rarely use the smoking area that runs along outside the Dolman, on account of it being too smokey! Add to that the number of parents who take their kids out with them at half time whilst they have a crafty tab and it isn't a nice experience. I did suggest a while back that access to this area being restricted to those who are old enough to smoke, but that was never implemented. Too long? This smoker wants a half time fag in a smoke free environment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webzcas Posted February 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Bottom line is, I don't smoke yet the club are making me be subjected to smoke. Public Health England have already released a study that there is NO NONE harm from second harm vape. Indeed my or your farting is worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 5 minutes ago, Webzcas said: Bottom line is, I don't smoke yet the club are making me be subjected to smoke. Public Health England have already released a study that there is NO NONE harm from second harm vape. Indeed my or your farting is worse. The club aren't forcing you to vape though. You could always just abstain until the end of the match? It doesn't particularly bother me, but I have been in crowds- sorting and musical- where someone has been vaping and the exhalations are going in my face. I certainly didn't fear for my health (though there are no definitive studies about the harm from vaping to the vaper or anyone near them, for obvious reasons), but I'd rather it wasn't, especially if said exhalations are flavoured. I'm not sure why the rights of the minority who want to vape are held above the majority of people who don't vape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 Even with my own 20 a day habit I struggle to sympathise. A match is not that long and stubbing/puffing out from 2:45-5 is not a significant hardship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 1 minute ago, 29AR said: Even with my own 20 a day habit I struggle to sympathise. A match is not that long and stubbing/puffing out from 2:45-5 is not a significant hardship. This. People are happy to get on a plane, have a few drinks and not smoke, a couple of hours at football is hardly difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Colby-Tit Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 In that case, could you all please refrain from eating meat products at the match. I'm a vegetarian and don't like the smell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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