cityboy Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Whilst I never again wish to have to watch City enter this competition for league 1 & 2 teams, I do hope the football league tell the Premier League to do one over this. Sadly, I can see it coming to pass instead. Imagine a JPT final of Chelsea reserves v Stoke reserves at Wembley being played in front of 1500 people, denying smaller teams the opportunity to play in front of 50,000+... Just another example of greed knowing no bounds at the top level, and their utter disdain for the football league. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/03/19/premier-league-in-negotiations-for-under-21-teams-to-enter-johns/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderingred Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Absolutely terrible idea. The whole point of this competition is for smaller clubs to reach wembley and have their day in the sun. Last year, Walsall had their first ever trip... Imagine if they'd been denied that by a Man-Yoo B team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 14 minutes ago, cityboy said: Whilst I never again wish to have to watch City enter this competition for league 1 & 2 teams, I do hope the football league tell the Premier League to do one over this. Sadly, I can see it coming to pass instead. Imagine a JPT final of Chelsea reserves v Stoke reserves at Wembley being played in front of 1500 people, denying smaller teams the opportunity to play in front of 50,000+... Just another example of greed knowing no bounds at the top level, and their utter disdain for the football league. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/03/19/premier-league-in-negotiations-for-under-21-teams-to-enter-johns/ Whilst I dislike the idea, that theoretical final you mentioned would sell out, like it or not. Big clubs would travel well to your Accrington/Oxford/Rovers ties just because of the novelty of it. Bristolian Liverpool fans would be able to get tickets for example.. It might boost attendances and interest in the short term even if the principle of it sucks basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogkev Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 If you ignore the initial revulsion at the thought of the Prem teams again trying to flex their 'muscle' and mess with the football league, it's actually quite an interesting concept. I've no doubt that the league clubs would dispatch of the fledgling Premier teams, and the players and fans would saviour the prospect of doing so. It could add to the value of the competition, and would also give the league clubs a look at some young players they might want to take on a loan. Before this idea was raised, I've often wondered whether the Football league Trophy should also be for Championship clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HLR Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Despise the idea, not like these big clubs get enough publicity anyway is it? Not fair on your L1 & L2 clubs and their fans, where the JPT competition is a real chance for them to play / see their team play in a final at the national stadium, a highlight for many players / fans alike of these clubs. Hope the FL stick two fingers up at these PL clubs and tell them where they can shove their overpaid 12 year olds and their money. If they want a U21 / Reserve Premier League completion, go create on yourselves - don't hijack a competition that is a chance for these L1 & L2 clubs to have their chance at a decent little cup run and potential memorable day out for supporters at Wembley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityboy Posted March 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Here's a blog I found that echoes my own views on the subject, but in a much more well written way. http://thesetpieces.com/features/7692/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 I thought it was the football league trophy. Not the football league, under 21s, and anyone else who fancies a kick-about trophy. If top clubs want their younger players to get first team experience, they could offer them out on loan without a loan fee and without expecting lower league clubs to foot the majority of the wages of some child who has probably never played in the first team but already earns far more in a week than a lower league player gets in 3 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Keep the competition as it is to allow smaller clubs get their cup finals. Prem teams play their kids in the FA and Carling Cup's anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 I like the idea of B football being taken a bit more seriously, made a bit more competitive and attempts to get fans interested in going to see more u-21 games and think there's of things that could be done (like a Premier League 'B', featuring the best U-21 teams and a stronger sense of an u-21 pyramid. And I actually think that could work. Especially if you got cheap tickets to see the 'stars of the future'. However I think that should be a separate entity altogether - not tied into an existing competition. The JPT is unique and has its place in giving teams from the lower leagues a chance of silverware and a day out at Wembley. I don't support changing it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 45 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Whilst I dislike the idea, that theoretical final you mentioned would sell out, like it or not. Big clubs would travel well to your Accrington/Oxford/Rovers ties just because of the novelty of it. Bristolian Liverpool fans would be able to get tickets for example.. It might boost attendances and interest in the short term even if the principle of it sucks basically. Not sure if you meant Bristol based Liverpudlians, which is fair enough ? Bristolian Liverpool fans can do one ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Terrible idea. Why can't the P.L. just form their own U21 cup competition (if they don't have one already) ? D.P., just seen HLR's post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the frampton balti Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 32 minutes ago, Selred said: Keep the competition as it is to allow smaller clubs get their cup finals. Prem teams play their kids in the FA and Carling Cup's anyway. EXACTLY, All these competitions need freshening up. The fa cup should have a champions league place the league cup should only be payed by 234 and have a europa league place. AND the jpt should have a promotion place to the championship . Then watch em all play. Cups will be like the old days! By the way if anyone wants to know how the extra promotion place works? i need to think about it but where theres a will etc Onward and sideways............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 32 minutes ago, cityboy said: Here's a blog I found that echoes my own views on the subject, but in a much more well written way. http://thesetpieces.com/features/7692/ Very good article. Nail firmly clumped on head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, the frampton balti said: EXACTLY, All these competitions need freshening up. The fa cup should have a champions league place the league cup should have a europa league place. AND the jpt should have a promotion place to the championship . Then watch em all play. Cups will be like the old days! By the way if anyone wants to know how the extra promotion place works? i need to think about it but where theres a will etc Onward and sideways............... I completely disagree about the JPT. We took it seriously and we were going for promotion. If the likes of us were playing kids then fair enough, but we didn't. Agree about FA Cup and League Cup though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the frampton balti Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 not sure we took it seriously till round 3. it is known as the tin pot pisspot mickey mouse anymore??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 I say no to this, it is one of the few chances small teams get to go to Wembley and get hands on silverware, screw the Premier league, let them set up their own cup competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 15 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said: Not sure if you meant Bristol based Liverpudlians, which is fair enough ? Bristolian Liverpool fans can do one ! Sadly, in my experience, they definitely exist. Never been to a game yet support successful prem teams just because they can.. Never understood it myself, you just don't get the same enjoyment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Would this also apply to the "firms" ? Just imagine GHS vs Chelsea headhunters "B" kicking off down Gloucester road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 7 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Sadly, in my experience, they definitely exist. Never been to a game yet support successful prem teams just because they can.. Never understood it myself, you just don't get the same enjoyment. I can confirm this. When I coached my eldest son's team in a squad of 16 none supported a"local" team and despite the fact that I have taken him to AG many times over the years, even 4 times this season, he is a die-hard Manchester United fan. Thankfully my younger son only has one team that he is devoted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the frampton balti Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 15 minutes ago, ScottishRed said: I can confirm this. When I coached my eldest son's team in a squad of 16 none supported a"local" team and despite the fact that I have taken him to AG many times over the years, even 4 times this season, he is a die-hard Manchester United fan. Thankfully my younger son only has one team that he is devoted to. Look here now ,,,,,if your dads dads dad was a scouser then fair play but if it was your dads dads dads dad then enough is enough and get yourself down the gate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the frampton balti Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 ok Here it is Div 4 team wins jpt Gets promo to Div3 5 go down thats easy! Div 3 team wins jpt Gets promo to Div 2 4 go down thats easy! Thats easy then. you might ask a question?? Im Thinking! The prem can go an play with itself, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avalanche Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 I was under the impression that Premiership teams already played their B teams in the FA and League Cups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider-manc Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 If they want to do it..... Make em pay! If I was the football league the only way I would even consider it would be if they pay millions for entry. If every prem team was made to pay £3 million a season (nothing with the new sky money) then the football league could give every team in league 1 and 2 £1.25m each-Nothing to a prem team but the difference in survival for some of the smaller teams in those 2 divisions. (I'm aware that this is never going to happen.) The next thing I would ask would be for a scrap to parachute payments. If a team can't organise it's finances when they are earning £100 million for finishing last then they don't deserve subsidising over the next 3 years!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted March 22, 2016 Admin Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Almost as crazy an idea as when the top conference sides took part a few years back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HitchinRed Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Its not just the chance to get to Wembley. I also enjoyed the increased chance of a local derby, the reduced ticket prices and additional tv coverage. All of this will be diluted if the Prem come in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 The sponsors would love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Here we go again. Premier League has a problem, let's get the Football League to sort it out for a bit of cash. The message to supporters of L1 and L2 clubs is the football authorities don't value your clubs/support. It is all about making life easier for the super rich. From the article will the Premier League be paying L1/L2 supporters as they will be missing out on the chance of seeing their team at Wembley. Stupid idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted March 22, 2016 Admin Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 I guess with some of the sides that Premier league clubs put out in the league cup it wouldn't really be that different The sticking point is where they play their home games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderMB Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 There's an extremely easy way to ensure that the kids get a look in. Leave the Football League alone, and force a maximum games rule in the Premier League. Make it so that any registered player can only play in 25 league games a season. This provides the following benefits: The Premier League keeps its filthy mitts off of the Football League Kids get to play in meaningful competition The cups get elevated because your best players can sit out of league matches. Premier League teams are forced to utilise their whole squads, instead of hoarding players There is no longer an excuse of tiredness from the FA. Players are forced to take time off by their clubs. Parity. You either play your players, or you send them on loan elsewhere. If you're a good player and you're still not getting in the team then you'll go elsewhere. If teams kick off about it, then bump it up to 30 games. Either way, for 8-13 games a season someone else (probably a U21 or reserve player) will get the chance to impress or sit on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzos Only Goal Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 2 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said: Whilst I dislike the idea, that theoretical final you mentioned would sell out, like it or not. Big clubs would travel well to your Accrington/Oxford/Rovers ties just because of the novelty of it. Bristolian Liverpool fans would be able to get tickets for example.. It might boost attendances and interest in the short term even if the principle of it sucks basically. No they wouldn't and its not about filling up Wembley its about the giving smaller clubs a shot at something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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