BS4 on Tour... Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 ....and Allen will probably trouser around 15% of that as a signing on fee....the world really has gone mad. My Sis works for the NHS - ridiculously long hours for no money at all. The balance in our world is all wrong - and just look at what the top baseball and basketball players earn in the US - some of their salaries dwarf those of the top footballers over here... And to think the most Alan Hansen ever earned at Liverpool was £600 a week....and he was a top, top player... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 3 hours ago, Fordy62 said: Hi Kev, Don't think I can add much that hasn't already been covered by others, but I'd like to comment on your monetary value as a poster... Specifically as a thread starter. So many threads just contain the title and a four or five word sentence. Or even just a link to a newspaper article. That pisses me right off. That's not your style. Your opening posts are often well considered and, dare I say, thought provoking. You've done enough to make it into my OTIB starting XI. Keep up the good work. I'd rate you at the £10m+ mark as a poster. Presumably you'd expect 25% of that as your agents fee Fordy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 16 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: WBA bid £7m for Dunk, so not so crazy then. Well that's mad too, of course. But Flint is worth £3million tops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 17 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: ....and Allen will probably trouser around 15% of that as a signing on fee....the world really has gone mad. My Sis works for the NHS - ridiculously long hours for no money at all. The balance in our world is all wrong - and just look at what the top baseball and basketball players earn in the US - some of their salaries dwarf those of the top footballers over here... And to think the most Alan Hansen ever earned at Liverpool was £600 a week....and he was a top, top player... They only earn it because they make it for their clubs. That's why the equal prize money argument at Wimbledon was a nonsense: if you can sell the Men's Singles final tickets for, say, twice the price of the Women's Singles then the prize money should be double. Simple as. My issue with the Pogba money is that I think they are paying way too much and they will come a cropper with it; and I hope that they do otherwise the next one may be a 200 million Gareth Bale and whoever buys him going under if he gets injured. There is such a thing as too much risk and IMHO Man Utd has just taken too much risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 3 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said: Which is why I would like to see this particular one fail badly and it then looks to be a stupid amount to pay and will throw a bucket of cold water over these mental top end deals. Pogba IIRC was £100m to buy him and £25m for his agent. Now that is truly mental whereas the £13m for Allen is not unreasonable in the market. So Pogba's agent is worth about double what an international, premier league player is worth. That's what I can really mental! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 The 'is he worth that much' conversation is a bit redundant in my opinion. Everyone is worth what someone is willing to pay. Is Allen worry £13m? Is Pogba worth £100m? Was Shearer worth £3.5m when TV revenue was lower? If you look at Sterling fee then Pogba is a steal. If you look at Kante fee then he isn't. Ross McCormack and Jordan Rhodes fees make Allen look like a bargain. Mayrez fee says he's way overpriced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, RedDave said: The 'is he worth that much' conversation is a bit redundant in my opinion. Everyone is worth what someone is willing to pay. Is Allen worry £13m? Is Pogba worth £100m? Was Shearer worth £3.5m when TV revenue was lower? If you look at Sterling fee then Pogba is a steal. If you look at Kante fee then he isn't. Ross McCormack and Jordan Rhodes fees make Allen look like a bargain. Mayrez fee says he's way overpriced. Rubbish. If you are mental enough to want to buy my empty crisp packet for twenty quid it doesn't actually make it worth twenty quid; it just means you're paying way too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 With the mega TV deals top football clubs are now adept at proving that you can indeed have more money than sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 9 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: Rubbish. If you are mental enough to want to buy my empty crisp packet for twenty quid it doesn't actually make it worth twenty quid; it just means you're paying way too much. Give me an example of an overpriced player and chances are you'll be able to use another players fee to suggest it isn't true. And we aren't talking about empty crisp packets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, RedDave said: Give me an example of an overpriced player and chances are you'll be able to use another players fee to suggest it isn't true. And we aren't talking about empty crisp packets. What? You trot out the nonsense that a thing is worth what somebody is prepared to pay for it and I have to justify myself? As the Geordies would say : Haddaway and shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Dawe Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, RedDave said: Give me an example of an overpriced player and chances are you'll be able to use another players fee to suggest it isn't true. And we aren't talking about empty crisp packets. Balotelli's not worth what people have paid for him (ask Brendan Rodgers). Not worth the transfer fee, the signing on fee, the wages, the bonuses, the fee for repairing his kitchen, the fee for wiping his arse and doing his shopping, not worth any of it. Waste of space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 1 hour ago, AshtonGreat said: Well that's mad too, of course. But Flint is worth £3million tops To us he is, seeing as it would likely take somewhere in the region of £2m to replace him, don't get me wrong he's no where near the £8m some people say, but £3m we'd be taking a big gamble of being able to replace him and coming out on top financially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, hodge said: To us he is, seeing as it would likely take somewhere in the region of £2m to replace him, don't get me wrong he's no where near the £8m some people say, but £3m we'd be taking a big gamble of being able to replace him and coming out on top financially. That's why I wouldn't sell him ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 9 hours ago, AshtonGreat said: Well that's mad too, of course. But Flint is worth £3million tops There would be a meltdown on here if Flint was sold for £3m. Clubs in this division are now trying to assemble a squad that gets them into a division with a multi-billion pound TV deal. That has a knock-on effect on prices at this level and that's why I think we need to reconsider what we now think of as "value". The financial stakes have been raised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 Brad Smith to Bournemouth for £6m Overpriced?! If everyone is overpriced then nobody is overpriced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRERE Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 Juventus about to sign Higuain for £75m! He's 29 in December too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.J.Thribb Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 Remember when half decent, established players were worth under a million?!? And people would gasp at 5 million pound fees over here? Simpler times, I tell ye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evocare Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 2 hours ago, TheBigMan said: Remember when half decent, established players were worth under a million?!? And people would gasp at 5 million pound fees over here? Simpler times, I tell ye. Carroll change everything. £30m for a head on a stick £30m for a striker with the turning circle of an island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 They appear well pleased at £11m + up to £2m in add ons on the Oatcake, well chuffed with the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrytheb Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 On 25 July 2016 at 22:27, Eddie Hitler said: Rubbish. If you are mental enough to want to buy my empty crisp packet for twenty quid it doesn't actually make it worth twenty quid; it just means you're paying way too much. But it does tho doesn't it! If @RedDave thinks that empty crisp packet's value to him is £20 then it's worth £20. May not make it right to everyone else but it's his money so the value is only relevant to him - and you if you're willing to sale your prize asset. It's the same as houses. People can put a 1 bed flat on the market for £1m and if 1 person is prepared to pay for it then it's worth £1m. If no one is prepared to pay it then it isn't worth it. Paintings get sold for tens of millions of pounds yet let's be honest, most could be painted by a 15 year old art student Doesn't mean I think it's right but it is the way of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 1 hour ago, arrytheb said: But it does tho doesn't it! If @RedDave thinks that empty crisp packet's value to him is £20 then it's worth £20. May not make it right to everyone else but it's his money so the value is only relevant to him - and you if you're willing to sale your prize asset. It's the same as houses. People can put a 1 bed flat on the market for £1m and if 1 person is prepared to pay for it then it's worth £1m. If no one is prepared to pay it then it isn't worth it. Paintings get sold for tens of millions of pounds yet let's be honest, most could be painted by a 15 year old art student Doesn't mean I think it's right but it is the way of life. If you think "some nut being prepared to pay this" = "worth". Houses is a good example. Some mentalist happy to pay squillions for some rubbish flat when the market is at the top will have a big shock coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 5 hours ago, cheshire_red said: They appear well pleased at £11m + up to £2m in add ons on the Oatcake, well chuffed with the deal. So they should be; that's a cracking deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrytheb Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 8 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said: If you think "some nut being prepared to pay this" = "worth". Houses is a good example. Some mentalist happy to pay squillions for some rubbish flat when the market is at the top will have a big shock coming. 'Worth' to that person or club in this case. If a club didn't think a player is 'worth' a value they won't pay it. If they pay it then they believe that player is worth it. Doesn't make it right but it's the way life is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellfire Corner Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 On 25 July 2016 at 22:27, Eddie Hitler said: Rubbish. If you are mental enough to want to buy my empty crisp packet for twenty quid it doesn't actually make it worth twenty quid; it just means you're paying way too much. What flavour is the crisp packet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 Spicy. And reddave was right not to offer me £20 for it as it's only worth about a fiver, it went for four pounds in the end. http://uk.picclick.com/Thunderbirds-Crisp-Packet-Gerry-Anderson-RARE-Virgil-272266861287.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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