Jack Dawe Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 A year ago, we had just drawn 0:0 at home to Birmingham. We were third bottom, P 29 GD -23 Pts 25 Today, we sit in 20th, P 29 GD -3 Pts 31. Progress! An improvement there for all to see. You can't argue with the facts folks! Although there's always the option of twisting the stats to fit your world view, which we can all do. Following that Birmingham game, we went on a great little run, winning four in our next five beating Charlton, Ipswich, MK Dons and Forest. So, shall we revisit this thread in four or five games time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Your fakt is fukt .. If you do not apply spending on players. And that is no opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRaw Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 £16million+ spent for an additional 6 points........yep, real progress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Mao Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Charlton (relegated), MK Dons (relegated), Forest and Ipswich Vs. Villa, Newcastle, Derby and Leeds (all away). We may be on the same points total in 4 games time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas Go Marching In! Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 9 minutes ago, RedRaw said: £16million+ spent for an additional 6 points........yep, real progress What about the £15mil you recovered on Kodjia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted February 6, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 24 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said: A year ago, we had just drawn 0:0 at home to Birmingham. We were third bottom, P 29 GD -23 Pts 25 Today, we sit in 20th, P 29 GD -3 Pts 31. Progress! An improvement there for all to see. You can't argue with the facts folks! Although there's always the option of twisting the stats to fit your world view, which we can all do. Following that Birmingham game, we went on a great little run, winning four in our next five beating Charlton, Ipswich, MK Dons and Forest. So, shall we revisit this thread in four or five games time? Looking at those factors you are correct My concern is signing 27 players and spending lots just to get to that point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_s Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 24 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said: A year ago, we had just drawn 0:0 at home to Birmingham. We were third bottom, P 29 GD -23 Pts 25 Today, we sit in 20th, P 29 GD -3 Pts 31. Progress! An improvement there for all to see. You can't argue with the facts folks! Although there's always the option of twisting the stats to fit your world view, which we can all do. Following that Birmingham game, we went on a great little run, winning four in our next five beating Charlton, Ipswich, MK Dons and Forest. So, shall we revisit this thread in four or five games time? Just broke a club record for consecutive loses. Fact! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderingred Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Yes progress has been made to some some extent, but look at the circumstances. 12 months ago, we had played most of the season with a threadbare squad after a shambles of a summer. Didnt we have something like 15 senior players available at one point and couldnt even fill a bench? Most of our squad lacked Championship experience and we were being brutally put to the sword, often out of games at half time. As bad as things were, you could clearly see the mitigating circumstances regarding our poor form. We simply did not have the ability, experience or squad depth to compete which was inexcusable itself, but thats another issue. This time around there should be no excuses. The manager has been massively backed with £16 million worth of transfers. We have a squad full of quality, players with championship, international, premier league and bundesliga experience. Players that have done well elsewhere. We've got a ground and facilities to match all other Championship clubs which we didnt previously have. Yes, we initially did well, escaped relegation and have performed a little better this season but surely thats inevitable? Our situation now is entirely different to the one 12 months ago. We shouldnt be making comparison with then, we need to ask the question, should we be doing a lot better with what we have available? Absolutely. We shouldnt even be contemplating relegation, let alone seing it as a inevitability as many people here do. LJ has been a disaster, plain and simple imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 As has been stated we've gained 6 extra points after spending £16m. That's approx £2.7m per point. I hope SL has got deep pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, pongo88 said: As has been stated we've gained 6 extra points after spending £16m. That's approx £2.7m per point. I hope SL has got deep pockets. Is there a reason this doesn't need to account for money coming in (and presumably weakening the squad)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgecreed123 Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, pongo88 said: As has been stated we've gained 6 extra points after spending £16m. That's approx £2.7m per point. I hope SL has got deep pockets. Not true really because we recouped a lot of that. I'm happy with current position let's start to give LJ a chance before trying to find the negatives all the time. I'm fully behind what LJ is creating as many were up to October no doubt. Let's try to all be a bit more positive shall we.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Oh Dear if anyone thinks we can better last seasons run in the good luck with that, Its going to need a huge turnaround in form to keep us safe, and we are still not anywhere near that, the next four games I am not optimistic about gaining any points, that would probably see us in 23rd, and possibly 6 points away from safety. Blackburn Wigan, are still capable of doing better than us, all in I am very concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgecreed123 Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 1 minute ago, 1bristolcity said: Oh Dear if anyone thinks we can better last seasons run in the good luck with that, Its going to need a huge turnaround in form to keep us safe, and we are still not anywhere near that, the next four games I am not optimistic about gaining any points, that would probably see us in 23rd, and possibly 6 points away from safety. Blackburn Wigan, are still capable of doing better than us, all in I am very concerned. So you'll come back and eat humble pie in 4 games time? Miserable bugger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderingred Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, Georgecreed123 said: Not true really because we recouped a lot of that. I'm happy with current position let's start to give LJ a chance before trying to find the negatives all the time. I'm fully behind what LJ is creating as many were up to October no doubt. Let's try to all be a bit more positive shall we.... Hmmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natchfever Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 11 minutes ago, Georgecreed123 said: Not true really because we recouped a lot of that. I'm happy with current position let's start to give LJ a chance before trying to find the negatives all the time. I'm fully behind what LJ is creating as many were up to October no doubt. Let's try to all be a bit more positive shall we.... Hmm.. No offence but possible this is BS from BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 50 minutes ago, RedRaw said: £16million+ spent for an additional 6 points........yep, real progress Other teams in this league have spent that almost that much on one player. This is the league we are in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderingred Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Loon plage said: Hmm.. No offence but possible this is BS from BS. When you look at his other two posts, it does appear rather suspicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 12 minutes ago, Georgecreed123 said: So you'll come back and eat humble pie in 4 games time? Miserable bugger I hope so.....not miserable, but very mush a realist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 "Fact!" - so you mean it's bullshit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 1 hour ago, RedRaw said: £16million+ spent for an additional 6 points........yep, real progress 41 minutes ago, pongo88 said: As has been stated we've gained 6 extra points after spending £16m. That's approx £2.7m per point. I hope SL has got deep pockets. Where does £16 million come from? Correct me if i'm wrong: LT £3m Hordor £1.7m Milan £1.5m Moore £1.5m Engvall £1.3m Callum £1m Matty T £300k Jens £255k Wright and Paterson? Couple of 100k's each? So about £10m - quite different to £16m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 25 minutes ago, Georgecreed123 said: Not true really because we recouped a lot of that. I'm happy with current position let's start to give LJ a chance before trying to find the negatives all the time. I'm fully behind what LJ is creating as many were up to October no doubt. Let's try to all be a bit more positive shall we.... It's true we have recouped some of the money due to players leaving, but we have signed more players than we have sold. Part of the financial analysis must consider salaries, and the current wage bill must be significantly higher than this time last year. Looking to the future, if we are going to continue with the scattergun approach to signing players, who can we sell in the summer to balance the books? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tears in rain Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Jack Dawe said: A year ago, we had just drawn 0:0 at home to Birmingham. We were third bottom, P 29 GD -23 Pts 25 Today, we sit in 20th, P 29 GD -3 Pts 31. Progress! An improvement there for all to see. You can't argue with the facts folks! Although there's always the option of twisting the stats to fit your world view, which we can all do. Following that Birmingham game, we went on a great little run, winning four in our next five beating Charlton, Ipswich, MK Dons and Forest. So, shall we revisit this thread in four or five games time? So if we spend another £10-15M we can be closer to 40 points this time next year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 19 minutes ago, Alessandro said: Where does £16 million come from? Correct me if i'm wrong: LT £3m Hordor £1.7m Milan £1.5m Moore £1.5m Engvall £1.3m Callum £1m Matty T £300k Jens £255k Wright and Paterson? Couple of 100k's each? So about £10m - quite different to £16m I referred to the £16m figure as this was qouted by @RedRaw as I can't believe anyone on the forum ever gets anything wrong! I believe Paterson was £750k so with Wrights signing it's slightly more than £11m in fees. However, that is only part of the story. We've got to add in agents fees and signing on fees (including free transfers such as O'Neil) which probably gives us something in the region of £16m. If we include extra salary costs for all the players we've signed it gets worse. Some salary costs will be offset by players leaving, but not all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjam!n Ultra Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 If we fail to beat Derby then on the 13th of February we will have the exact same points as we did on the same date in 2016. 366 days and circa £12m later back to the exact same place. And the longer it's allowed to go on it's solely the fault of Lansdown, the common denominator, for about the hundredth time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Rich_s said: Just broke a club record for consecutive loses. Fact! such negativity. We have just created a new club record for consecutive loses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonkey Dollocks Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 37 minutes ago, MattRSp95 said: So if we spend another £10-15M we can be closer to 40 points this time next year... If things continue the way they are, we'll be in League 1 next year, in which case 40 points at this stage of the season would be terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Jack Dawe said: A year ago, we had just drawn 0:0 at home to Birmingham. We were third bottom, P 29 GD -23 Pts 25 Today, we sit in 20th, P 29 GD -3 Pts 31. Progress! An improvement there for all to see. You can't argue with the facts folks! Although there's always the option of twisting the stats to fit your world view, which we can all do. Following that Birmingham game, we went on a great little run, winning four in our next five beating Charlton, Ipswich, MK Dons and Forest. So, shall we revisit this thread in four or five games time? It won't last.. Yours Nostradamus the Bruce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Georgecreed123 said: Not true really because we recouped a lot of that. I'm happy with current position let's start to give LJ a chance before trying to find the negatives all the time. I'm fully behind what LJ is creating as many were up to October no doubt. Let's try to all be a bit more positive shall we.... really ? really oh my lord Another member of the Johnson Family just signed up to the forum ! And regarding one of your other posts, as a newbie , if you don't like the forum , don't like the posters and don't like the moderators Why don't you do one , permanently , and do all us 'idiots' a favour Im sure the 'idiot' moderators won't be too dissapointed 2 hours ago, Georgecreed123 said: This has to be the most NEGATIVE part of the club so what we need to do is get rid of it and every person in it. From top to bottom this forum is a joke full of self righteous idiots including the alleged moderators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBrizzleRobin Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Although LJ has certainly not helped things with lots and lots of tinkering I do wonder if part of the problem is actually just how many signings we've made. Trying to to get everyone on the same page and integrating so many new players is going to have it's drawbacks. Sometimes you get lucky and things just 'click' other times it can take and awful long time for it to all come together with a lot of new players. I think what LJ has failed to do is mold this team into a cohesive unit and give it proper structure during both attack and defence, it's clear to see the lack of organisation at times and how there ment to attack as a unit. I think this big influx of players has only made this worse or he's yet to figure out how to get them playing as a team. For all our sakes let's hope that it starts coming together now we got a win and can hopefully put that run behind us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 20 minutes ago, reddoh said: such negativity. Probably as a result of this , below , don't you think (Amongst all the other red warning signs) We have just created a new club record for consecutive loses. What a bizarre muddled post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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