headhunter Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Deemed surplus to requirements at Palace by Sam Allardyce last month good old Keef was a spectator at this evening's debacle. He has form as SL's typically cheap go to option in a crisis. Back in 2004 when rookie manager Brian Tinnion clearly needed experienced help it was SL who appointed Millen as his Assistant. Then in 2010 after GJ's player's revolt enforced sacking it was Millen who made a decent fist of keeping City in the Championship losing only one of the 9 games he was in charge. In the Summer of 2010 Steve Coppell was made manager but not allowed to bring his team of Wally Downes and Nicky Hammond with him. Keith remained in an Assistant capacity and when Coppell resigned after just 3 games the great survivor began a 15 month spell at the helm before being replaced by McInnes. As a bloke Millen's OK but were he to walk through the door as the man to help I would tear my hair out!!! Could he return does anybody think he could help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Only ever as an assistant but I hope not even that unless Pardew comes in and then he would have my blessing. Not saying I am advocating those two but as most of us now realise Dumpy the Elephant would do a better job than Lee Johnson. Sounds harsh writing that, perhaps very harsh, but never have I been more convinced about anything connected with football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Our manager picked the line up today and in 90m he changed formation at least 3 times, and he wasn't forced to out of injury at any point. Almost wholly throughout we were second best and didn't threaten, against a team pretty middling for this division: despite that tinkering Sorry, it's not more or different backroom staff that's needed. It's a new manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Holden can walk as well mind.. what has he brought since coming in other than defeat after defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee dog Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Need a decision maker not an advisor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontariored Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Been there, done it... got us nowhere... lets move on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 As suggested a typically cheap option, but not what we need right now. Nice bloke that Millen might be, he is clearly best as an assistant, rather than as a leader. We need a new leader and fast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 No. No. No. If anyone at the club believes that LJ is in need of help it's an admission that they don't believe he's up to the job. Ergo he should go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 We've got two assistances all ready we need a new head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketh2nd Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 6 hours ago, 29AR said: Our manager picked the line up today and in 90m he changed formation at least 3 times, and he wasn't forced to out of injury at any point. Almost wholly throughout we were second best and didn't threaten, against a team pretty middling for this division: despite that tinkering Sorry, it's not more or different backroom staff that's needed. It's a new manager. 2nd half there wasn't a formation.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderingred Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 2 hours ago, cityloyal473 said: No. No. No. If anyone at the club believes that LJ is in need of help it's an admission that they don't believe he's up to the job. Ergo he should go. This. BCFC is not and should never be a place for managers to "learn their trade". If they arent up for it, **** off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, JonDolman said: So a guy that failed as a manager should come in and teach a guy who is failing as a manager. Id rather just get a good manager in. By that same logic we shouldn't have Tins working with the youth set up either then? Millen should never have been made the manager imo although he did bring in some decent players in that time and I wanted it to work for him more than anyone as he's such a great bloke. Just doesn't have what's required to be a manager sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobintheRed Red Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 6 hours ago, headhunter said: Deemed surplus to requirements at Palace by Sam Allardyce last month good old Keef was a spectator at this evening's debacle. He has form as SL's typically cheap go to option in a crisis. Back in 2004 when rookie manager Brian Tinnion clearly needed experienced help it was SL who appointed Millen as his Assistant. Then in 2010 after GJ's player's revolt enforced sacking it was Millen who made a decent fist of keeping City in the Championship losing only one of the 9 games he was in charge. In the Summer of 2010 Steve Coppell was made manager but not allowed to bring his team of Wally Downes and Nicky Hammond with him. Keith remained in an Assistant capacity and when Coppell resigned after just 3 games the great survivor began a 15 month spell at the helm before being replaced by McInnes. As a bloke Millen's OK but were he to walk through the door as the man to help I would tear my hair out!!! Could he return does anybody think he could help? No been there had that no more yes men a manager with bollox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Up The City! said: By that same logic we shouldn't have Tins working with the youth set up either then? Millen should never have been made the manager imo although he did bring in some decent players in that time and I wanted it to work for him more than anyone as he's such a great bloke. Just doesn't have what's required to be a manager sadly. What youth set-up? That's been another abject failure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 I guess you could argue that Millen has picked up a lot of experience since leaving us, and that's the thing Lee hasn't had. He doesn't fill me with excitement though. But hasn't SL brought in another coach to help the rugby this week, maybe he is thinking the same. I don't know though if it's too little too late or too many cooks, probably a combination of the both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 26 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said: What youth set-up? That's been another abject failure stop talking out of your arse, can I remind you that we had 4 players on the pitch that came from that failure of a youth set up, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, Monkeh said: stop talking out of your arse, can I remind you that we had 4 players on the pitch that came from that failure of a youth set up, I rest my case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kachina II Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 Sack the three, LJ, Pembo and Holden and do whatever it takes to bring in Warnock and Millen to sort this mess out. Would he leave Cardiff, God knows but he's gone on record to say he would "Love to manage us" and now would be the perfect time. Him and Millen know each other and Millen has always been a great number 2. Stay up, then go up. Lansdown, Warnock has always stated he wants to get another club to the top tier before he retires, despite the abuse he gets, he actually likes our club, he's openly said he would love to manage us, has always stated we are an underachieving club, in times of a crisis he is a go to man, his contacts are top draw at this level, if Millen was there last night, they have a very good friendship and have worked together, both have a secret love for the club. His job is done at Cardiff, they are safe, pay them whatever they want to let him come to us. There is only one proper manager out there to sort this mess out, Rowett is not the answer, Neil Warnock is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 38 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said: What youth set-up? That's been another abject failure Oh come on just because we are losing currently that doesn't mean everything us broken. It's going to take a good few years to see Tins work bare fruit. Or do you expect us to be throwing 12 year olds into tge first team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said: I rest my case you don't have one, the reason to have a youth team is to produce players for the first team, ours is doing that, explain how that is a failure?, just because we have a head coach who hasn't got a clue doesn't mean we are producing bad players, you need to take a look at the way they are used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtucks Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 7 hours ago, havanatopia said: ..... but as most of us now realise Dumpy the Elephant would do a better job than Lee Johnson...... Are you throwing that name into the ring??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted February 23, 2017 Report Share Posted February 23, 2017 16 minutes ago, Monkeh said: you don't have one, the reason to have a youth team is to produce players for the first team, ours is doing that, explain how that is a failure?, just because we have a head coach who hasn't got a clue doesn't mean we are producing bad players, you need to take a look at the way they are used I'm not saying we're producing bad players, but considering how much time and money is being spent on the project, I'd say that churning out - what, three? - League One/lower Championship standard players in the past five years or so is a poor turnaround. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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