robinreliant Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 1 hour ago, john from high littleton said: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! He's right though isn't he. 1 hour ago, tinman85 said: Derby 3.0 up drew 3.3 Newc 2.0 up drew 2.2 Sheff Wed 2.0 up lost 3.2 Reading 2.0 up lost 3.2 Cardiff 2.1 up with 5 mins to go, lost 3.2 This does not make good reading for a team that have one of the highest spends in the Championship. If Warnock was the man in the dugout we would have won those games. We take a point today under the circumstances but it always seems to be when we throw away valuable points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full nelson Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 19 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: Remarkable amount of drivel here - did you actually read what he said? Agendas? Phileas made a fair and balanced point. Just because he defended LJ in this instance doesn't mean he thinks he is the right man for the job. Divided fan base. You got to ducking love it!! Bring on Burton at home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Full nelson said: Divided fan base. You got to ducking love it Not a clue what you're saying or how it relates to my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 17 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: Made the same point on another thread - I don't buy into the notion that every time we fail to win from a leading position it means we've "thrown it away". That implies that every result is determined only by our own actions and gives no credit to the opposition who are also trying to influence the game. On some occasions it may be true, but today I believe we drew because we were playing a good side, not because we "threw it away". fair point, well made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full nelson Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: Not a clue what you're saying or how it relates to my post. Make of that what you will - CAZZO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full nelson Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: Not a clue what you're saying or how it relates to my post. Are you a little LJ amante cazzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted February 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 29 minutes ago, Sweeneys Penalties said: fair point, well made Danny Mills summed it up on Channel 5. You have to hold on to the points and cannot keep throwing away leads to stay in the Champ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, tinman85 said: Danny Mills summed it up on Channel 5. You have to hold on to the points and cannot keep throwing away leads to stay in the Champ we're mentally brittle. Hopefully todays result would add some strength....but if Villa screw us over on Tuesday... I fear for the Burton game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 2 hours ago, WayOutWest said: This is all you can ask of the team at the moment. Do that, and results should start to go our way. So you're basically suggesting that the reason for our poor results is that the players haven't been battling. Well that's the very least you should expect from them when they're getting paid ten grand a week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkeeebles Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 2 hours ago, tinman85 said: I'm not disputing a point is not the end of the world. Simply pointing out how many times we have thrown away a lead. It is why we are down where we are. We should have won the game today, as we should have v Derby. Sorry but I can't agree with you at all there. We did very very well first half and to go in 2-0 up was testament to that but even at that stage against that Newcastle team it was always going to take a monumental effort to hold onto that lead. To be honest I thought they showed real character to get a point out of it, as with the Derby game when the equaliser went in with 10 mins left there only looked like being 1 result, a home win. Another great away day COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkeeebles Posted February 25, 2017 Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Show Me The Money! said: Please give it a rest with the Warnock stuff getting a bit tiring. He ain't our manager Amen to that The president of the Neil Warnock fan club won't like it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Even when winning at 2 nil I expected us to lose. I an delighted we hold on cos they put us under extreme pressure in the second half in front of a very loud crowd. I am over the moan with the result and performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 3 hours ago, Silvio Dante said: (incidentally, Neil's Cardiff lost at st James this season) Yeh, Neil's Cardiff have also beaten Forest away, Huddersfield, Wolves, Villa, Leeds away, Derby away and drawn with Brighton...not sure what your point is? But what is very clear is that they have a way, way better manager/head coach than us and they will finish way, way above us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnclosureSurge Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 14 hours ago, Bristol Rob said: Please prove that out net spend was one of the highest in the division and that Warnock would have won these games and I will reply sensibly Or, this hardly necessitates a thread. Might as well start one that says "We're not very good - we're poor" or "We've lost quite a few games this season - not good". There really is no need for some of these threads, but, as I've said on other threads, the worse things are on the pitch/at the club, the more extreme and wild and lacking in common sense/perspective/thought people's opinions become. It's incredible the number of new or returning posters we have on here not just commenting (the same things over and over) but starting (the same) threads (over and over). Better to come on here when we're doing well, everyone. But as Bristolians/Brits, there's nothing like it to get us worked up, than something gone tits up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnclosureSurge Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 10 hours ago, Up The City! said: I am over the moan with the result and performance That's a right slip of the Freudian variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnclosureSurge Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 11 hours ago, tinman85 said: Danny Mills summed it up on Channel 5. You have to hold on to the points and cannot keep throwing away leads to stay in the Champ Be funny if we stay up. We could write to him and tell him how wrong he is. In fact, as it's him, I think I'll do that anyway. He's such a nause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hustler Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 Regardless of the fact you may have thought we were going to get battered before the game, to keep getting into winning positions then end up drawing/losing is pretty poor! Law of averages/luck says you should be able to manage a game so this doesn't happen...at least once anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 29 minutes ago, The Hustler said: Regardless of the fact you may have thought we were going to get battered before the game, to keep getting into winning positions then end up drawing/losing is pretty poor! Law of averages/luck says you should be able to manage a game so this doesn't happen...at least once anyway! You must be the only one who thinks yesterdays result was very poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT The Optimist Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 12 hours ago, Sweeneys Penalties said: we're mentally brittle. Hopefully todays result would add some strength....but if Villa screw us over on Tuesday... I fear for the Burton game I just watched the Channel 5 football show and saw Mills comments. ( Like it or not he played for England and top level). I thought he was spot on and if his facts are right, we have lost 19 points from winning positions that is an amazing statistic. We would all have taken a point from Derby away and Toon away before the start but still feels like a smack on the head when you cannot see the game out. I heard LJ who was 'sort of challenged' by the radio Brizzle interviewer after the game and the interviewer was quickly put down. Now is not the time, but at the end of the season, when we survive by the skins of our teeth, there will no doubt be inquests , with the powers that be,into how we are so brittle and how on earth this whole scenario has happened again with a full on relegation scrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Up The City! Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 22 minutes ago, DT The Optimist said: I just watched the Channel 5 football show and saw Mills comments. ( Like it or not he played for England and top level). I thought he was spot on and if his facts are right, we have lost 19 points from winning positions that is an amazing statistic. We would all have taken a point from Derby away and Toon away before the start but still feels like a smack on the head when you cannot see the game out. I heard LJ who was 'sort of challenged' by the radio Brizzle interviewer after the game and the interviewer was quickly put down. Now is not the time, but at the end of the season, when we survive by the skins of our teeth, there will no doubt be inquests , with the powers that be,into how we are so brittle and how on earth this whole scenario has happened again with a full on relegation scrap. There was nothing brittle about yesterdays performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 As an isolated 2-2 against Newcastle is a fantastic result. Losing the lead again takes the gloss of it slightly. We can't afford to give up such opportunities in the position we are in. We had the same response from some people at Derby. Happy with a unexpected point and talking about a positive performance, Hoping it would provide a spring board for the rest of the season. We then produced a below par performance at Leeds and an atrocious display against Fulham. Yesterday was a chance missed to extend the gap, it doesn't matter who we were playing. Fingers crossed it will give the players some confidence holding their own against one of the better teams. I won't hold my breath though. Johnson will probably make six changes for Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Rich Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 2 hours ago, DT The Optimist said: I just watched the Channel 5 football show and saw Mills comments. ( Like it or not he played for England and top level). I thought he was spot on and if his facts are right, we have lost 19 points from winning positions that is an amazing statistic. We would all have taken a point from Derby away and Toon away before the start but still feels like a smack on the head when you cannot see the game out. 1 I thought I'd get some more detail on this and it's not great: # Club Times leading Wins Draws Losses 1 Brighton & Hove Albion 22 20 2 0 2 Newcastle United 26 22 3 1 3 Huddersfield Town 23 20 3 0 4 Leeds United 21 18 2 1 5 Reading FC 20 18 1 1 6 Sheffield Wednesday 20 17 2 1 7 Fulham FC 20 14 4 2 8 Norwich City 21 15 4 2 9 Preston North End 17 13 4 0 10 Barnsley FC 18 14 2 2 11 Derby County 18 13 3 2 12 Cardiff City 18 13 4 1 13 Brentford FC 16 11 2 3 14 Birmingham City 16 10 3 3 15 Ipswich Town 15 10 5 0 16 Queens Park Rangers 15 11 3 1 17 Aston Villa 18 8 8 2 18 Nottingham Forest 19 10 4 5 19 Burton Albion 13 9 3 1 20 Wolverhampton Wanderers 13 9 2 2 21 Bristol City 15 9 2 4 22 Wigan Athletic 12 7 1 4 23 Blackburn Rovers 11 7 3 1 24 Rotherham United 13 4 5 4 Although I then looked at the opposite and .... # Club deficits Wins Draws Losses Points 1 Fulham FC 20 4 8 8 20 2 Nottingham Forest 24 4 3 17 15 3 Brighton & Hove Albion 12 3 5 4 14 4 Cardiff City 19 4 1 14 13 5 Bristol City 25 3 4 18 13 6 Blackburn Rovers 23 3 4 16 13 7 Sheffield Wednesday 15 3 3 9 12 8 Barnsley FC 18 3 3 12 12 9 Reading FC 15 2 4 9 10 10 Wolverhampton Wanderers 20 2 4 14 10 11 Huddersfield Town 12 2 2 8 8 12 Preston North End 15 1 4 10 7 13 Birmingham City 18 1 4 13 7 14 Ipswich Town 16 1 3 12 6 15 Aston Villa 16 1 3 12 6 16 Leeds United 14 1 2 11 5 17 Norwich City 15 1 2 12 5 18 Derby County 13 1 2 10 5 19 Brentford FC 17 1 2 14 5 20 Burton Albion 19 1 2 16 5 21 Newcastle United 9 1 1 7 4 22 Queens Park Rangers 19 0 4 15 4 23 Wigan Athletic 20 0 3 17 3 24 Rotherham United 26 0 2 24 2 Which is quite amazing really. It suggests that we geniunally are better off going behind! It also suggests where LJ weakness is knowing how to control a game once we're ahead. I think that could be his lack of experience and perhaps almost a need on his part to be seen to being doing something - tinkering with the team he has actually already set up well. What is also shows is that he does know how to annalise and adapt to the opposition. He clearly has a talent for that and that shows his ability to read the game and tactically out-think his opponents. It looks to me that he just needs to learn to not change for the sake of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 17 hours ago, Sparkz 76 said: I had us down for a 4-0 defeat so how wrong I was really pleased with a battling performance with lots of heart shown today. Well done Johnson and the boys Yes I was delighted too. Battling performances in every match now please. Cotterill was immense and Zachary Vyner excellent in such a high pressure game. The disappointments for me was their first goal should have been dived on by the keeper and when I was a lad the mantra was never substitute a player at a corner which we did. But the standard is set. There were signs of the team we were early season, let's hope eh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS10 RED Posted February 26, 2017 Report Share Posted February 26, 2017 The Derby game still upsets me as i believe that was points thrown away. Yesterday was a completely different story plus against a much much better team. We were under the cosh most of yesterdays game as the stats will show and on another day could of actually gone in at half time 3-2 down. The gulf in class in there players to ours i'm sorry is there to be seen. Throw in the fact also of a manager who has won the champions league and to get a point is a great result. Me and my boy both had a great day out made even better by the battling performance our lads put in. Onwards and upwards surly now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hustler Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 17 hours ago, Up The City! said: You must be the only one who thinks yesterdays result was very poor. No, not a poor 'result'. Just the fashion it came about again! if you are happy for us to keep throwing away leads then get prepared for L1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 There's a saying to be used here and I suggest the op use it credit where credit is due he should still go but constantly bashing someone when he doesn't deserve just makes you petulant and come across as having an agenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 16 hours ago, cityboy99 said: The Derby game still upsets me as i believe that was points thrown away. Yesterday was a completely different story plus against a much much better team. We were under the cosh most of yesterdays game as the stats will show and on another day could of actually gone in at half time 3-2 down. The gulf in class in there players to ours i'm sorry is there to be seen. Throw in the fact also of a manager who has won the champions league and to get a point is a great result. Me and my boy both had a great day out made even better by the battling performance our lads put in. Onwards and upwards surly now. Agree - to an extent you can forgive surrendering 2 goals to a team with the quality and depth of Newcastle. 3 goals though is a different story, you'd expect us to be able to hold a 3 goal lead against Derby - a good divisional rival - not even an anomaly team like Newcastle who clearly are far too strong to be here really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodburyred Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 Good point in the end but very much points dropped. We played well today and Newcastle were there for the taking they didn't seem up for it and made a lot of unforced errors. They are hardly world beaters and especially not at home this season. All today proved is that the players have got more in them than they have been showing this season. Playing well and trying hard at Newcastle is one thing. They need to be able to do it against teams like forest and Fulham if the managers gunna be getting the credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 On 25/02/2017 at 21:40, Show Me The Money! said: Please give it a rest with the Warnock stuff getting a bit tiring. He ain't our manager Almost as tiresome as the anti Warnock sentiment that comes up on this forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 On 25/02/2017 at 23:10, Sweeneys Penalties said: we're mentally brittle. Hopefully todays result would add some strength....but if Villa screw us over on Tuesday... I fear for the Burton game I think that's right. Largely we haven't dropped points from a winning position because of tactical mistakes, we've done it because the players are frightened. Having lost a lead two or three times, they began to believe that they couldn't hold on to leads. They have looked like rabbits in the headlights in the last 15 minutes of some matches. I would love to know what the club has done to try to rectify this, via a sports psychologist. No coincidence that our worst run seems to have coincided with Wilbs making fewer appearances from the bench, because he seems to be the only player who seems to know how to see out a match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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