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I don't know about anyone else but this sorry episode is going to have lasting damage on my relationship with City and particularly my faith in Steve Lansdown.

Steve is the custodian of the football club for a relatively short time span, he is lucky enough to be in a position where he can afford to have such control of the club. But his duty is to serve the tens of thousands of supporters of this club and do what's best for the club overall NOT to serve his own personal interests and relationships by giving 'jobs for the boys'.

Deep down he must know that this is not working and will not work and surely must have people around him telling him this. Do what's best for the football club, not you or any of your friends Steve.

But the real lasting damage will be that I won't forget in a hurry that I now feel it necessary to not attend Ashton Gate again until Lee Johnson is removed from post. That is not a decision I have taken lightly given it is pretty much my main outlet of socialising with mates on a regular basis. But I cannot stand by and watch one man blindly pursue with a faint hope that one day Lee Johnson might turn out to be a good manager. All and sundry can see the clear evidence in front of our eyes that Johnson cannot turn the club around from this position. The question is can Steve Lansdown?

I am very pessimistic unfortunately and my hopes have not been raised by my visit to the barber's this morning. Not because the barber accidentally stuck a pair of scissors in my eye, but because a senior employee at AG who is a regular told my barber just a few weeks ago that Johnson is very much here to stay...it's becoming very apparent that that is the case and so it looks like I'm in for an extended stay away from supporting the club I love...

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2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I don't know about anyone else but this sorry episode is going to have lasting damage on my relationship with City and particularly my faith in Steve Lansdown.

Steve is the custodian of the football club for a relatively short time span, he is lucky enough to be in a position where he can afford to have such control of the club. But his duty is to serve the tens of thousands of supporters of this club and do what's best for the club overall NOT to serve his own personal interests and relationships by giving 'jobs for the boys'.

Deep down he must know that this is not working and will not work and surely must have people around him telling him this. Do what's best for the football club, not you or any of your friends Steve.

But the real lasting damage will be that I won't forget in a hurry that I now feel it necessary to not attend Ashton Gate again until Lee Johnson is removed from post. That is not a decision I have taken lightly given it is pretty much my main outlet of socialising with mates on a regular basis. But I cannot stand by and watch one man blindly pursue with a faint hope that one day Lee Johnson might turn out to be a good manager. All and sundry can see the clear evidence in front of our eyes that Johnson cannot turn the club around from this position. The question is can Steve Lansdown?

I am very pessimistic unfortunately and my hopes have not been raised by my visit to the barber's this morning. Not because the barber accidentally stuck a pair of scissors in my eye, but because a senior employee at AG who is a regular told my barber just a few weeks ago that Johnson is very much here to stay...it's becoming very apparent that that is the case and so it looks like I'm in for an extended stay away from supporting the club I love...

Don't think you're alone . Except the scissors part 

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2 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I don't know about anyone else but this sorry episode is going to have lasting damage on my relationship with City and particularly my faith in Steve Lansdown.

Steve is the custodian of the football club for a relatively short time span, he is lucky enough to be in a position where he can afford to have such control of the club. But his duty is to serve the tens of thousands of supporters of this club and do what's best for the club overall NOT to serve his own personal interests and relationships by giving 'jobs for the boys'.

Deep down he must know that this is not working and will not work and surely must have people around him telling him this. Do what's best for the football club, not you or any of your friends Steve.

But the real lasting damage will be that I won't forget in a hurry that I now feel it necessary to not attend Ashton Gate again until Lee Johnson is removed from post. That is not a decision I have taken lightly given it is pretty much my main outlet of socialising with mates on a regular basis. But I cannot stand by and watch one man blindly pursue with a faint hope that one day Lee Johnson might turn out to be a good manager. All and sundry can see the clear evidence in front of our eyes that Johnson cannot turn the club around from this position. The question is can Steve Lansdown?

I am very pessimistic unfortunately and my hopes have not been raised by my visit to the barber's this morning. Not because the barber accidentally stuck a pair of scissors in my eye, but because a senior employee at AG who is a regular told my barber just a few weeks ago that Johnson is very much here to stay...it's becoming very apparent that that is the case and so it looks like I'm in for an extended stay away from supporting the club I love...

He'll be gone this week mate.

 

However when loyal an patient fans like yourself can't face going, it's clear there's serious problems. You expect it from the ranters and reactionaries, but not the reasoned and quiet.

Long term damage is very much a danger but does SL care? After his son once arrogantly dismissed fans concerns as "noise" you have to wonder just how the custodians of the club actually view its customers.

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I've sadly come to the conclusion that there is little point following City.  I'm not going to urge my children to watch football at all, like my dad did for me.

City are destined to play out on an everlasting loop of promotion and bitter relegation.  There comes a time when you have to think of using your money for other causes / interests.

Now, just have to slowly wean myself off of OTIB!  That's going to be the hard bit!

Sorry, really expected LJ to be dismissed when we slumped into the bottom 3. 

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I await a SL rallying cry on the centre circle... oh wait a minute he only does that type of thing when things are going well.

I suggest he gets out there in the middle of the pitch. Broadcasts his backing for the manager for all to see and all to hear.. then sit back and see what the fans reaction is.

We will see if OTIB is a vociferous minority or not.

Come on Steve what have you got to lose now.

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11 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I don't know about anyone else but this sorry episode is going to have lasting damage on my relationship with City and particularly my faith in Steve Lansdown.

Steve is the custodian of the football club for a relatively short time span, he is lucky enough to be in a position where he can afford to have such control of the club. But his duty is to serve the tens of thousands of supporters of this club and do what's best for the club overall NOT to serve his own personal interests and relationships by giving 'jobs for the boys'.

Deep down he must know that this is not working and will not work and surely must have people around him telling him this. Do what's best for the football club, not you or any of your friends Steve.

But the real lasting damage will be that I won't forget in a hurry that I now feel it necessary to not attend Ashton Gate again until Lee Johnson is removed from post. That is not a decision I have taken lightly given it is pretty much my main outlet of socialising with mates on a regular basis. But I cannot stand by and watch one man blindly pursue with a faint hope that one day Lee Johnson might turn out to be a good manager. All and sundry can see the clear evidence in front of our eyes that Johnson cannot turn the club around from this position. The question is can Steve Lansdown?

I am very pessimistic unfortunately and my hopes have not been raised by my visit to the barber's this morning. Not because the barber accidentally stuck a pair of scissors in my eye, but because a senior employee at AG who is a regular told my barber just a few weeks ago that Johnson is very much here to stay...it's becoming very apparent that that is the case and so it looks like I'm in for an extended stay away from supporting the club I love...

It may, it may not.  The notion of 'jobs for the boys' though is hackneyed and I can't see how it applies in this case.  Lansdown appointed a manager from another club who just happened to have been a player with us.  That's hardly unheard of.  I respect your opinions (even though the 'a senior employee at AG told my barber line' is right up there with some of the best), but you don't necessarily speak for everyone.

Rather than continuing to dwell on a situation that looks unlikely to change in the next 36 hours, wouldn't it be more positive (and entertaining!) to focus on the Norwich match?

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Spot on KITR, as you know we haven't always agreed in the past but with you 100%.

My old man started taking me when I was 8 or 9 (which was the early 70s) but for the first time since I paid to go myself I'm seriously considering not getting a ST next season.

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Reckless and irresponsible. Lost all respect of for the man and question if he is fit to run the club anymore.

Clearly based in Guernsey he is so distant cannot have any understanding of the fans feelings. His project, his way and **** everyone else.

Bloke is out of touch.

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12 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said:

He'll be gone this week mate.

 

However when loyal an patient fans like yourself can't face going, it's clear there's serious problems. You expect it from the ranters and reactionaries, but not the reasoned and quiet.

Long term damage is very much a danger but does SL care? After his son once arrogantly dismissed fans concerns as "noise" you have to wonder just how the custodians of the club actually view its customers.

What makes you think he'll be gone this week? Really hope you're right but he seems no closer to leaving the club to me than he did several weeks ago. 

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5 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

It may, it may not.  The notion of 'jobs for the boys' though is hackneyed and I can't see how it applies in this case.  Lansdown appointed a manager from another club who just happened to have been a player with us.  That's hardly unheard of.  I respect your opinions (even though the 'a senior employee at AG told my barber line' is right up there with some of the best), but you don't necessarily speak for everyone.

 

This is a wind up right?  No way on earth would Johnson have been approached had he not played for us and been cozy with SL.  What trees had he been ripping up at Oldham and Barnsley that made him the man for the job?  This is entirely a jobs for the boys scenario - and the fact that he's still here enforces that notion.   

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Well my old man took me when I was a kid and he's a diehard of 50 years, and a season ticket holder for the last 10-15. And he will by boycotting tomorrow night's game too, which he hasn't done for any other manager in my lifetime. He attended the Burton game on Saturday and that was enough for him. He was also at Villa last week.

I also won't be attending another game until Lee Johnson is gone. 

When die-hard supporters are saying and doing these things it's quite sad. Open your eyes Steve Lansdown.

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19 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I don't know about anyone else but this sorry episode is going to have lasting damage on my relationship with City and particularly my faith in Steve Lansdown.

Steve is the custodian of the football club for a relatively short time span, he is lucky enough to be in a position where he can afford to have such control of the club. But his duty is to serve the tens of thousands of supporters of this club and do what's best for the club overall NOT to serve his own personal interests and relationships by giving 'jobs for the boys'.

Deep down he must know that this is not working and will not work and surely must have people around him telling him this. Do what's best for the football club, not you or any of your friends Steve.

But the real lasting damage will be that I won't forget in a hurry that I now feel it necessary to not attend Ashton Gate again until Lee Johnson is removed from post. That is not a decision I have taken lightly given it is pretty much my main outlet of socialising with mates on a regular basis. But I cannot stand by and watch one man blindly pursue with a faint hope that one day Lee Johnson might turn out to be a good manager. All and sundry can see the clear evidence in front of our eyes that Johnson cannot turn the club around from this position. The question is can Steve Lansdown?

I am very pessimistic unfortunately and my hopes have not been raised by my visit to the barber's this morning. Not because the barber accidentally stuck a pair of scissors in my eye, but because a senior employee at AG who is a regular told my barber just a few weeks ago that Johnson is very much here to stay...it's becoming very apparent that that is the case and so it looks like I'm in for an extended stay away from supporting the club I love...

perfectly summed up Steve l is killing the club at the moment he should have acted long ago

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2 minutes ago, Jacki said:

What makes you think he'll be gone this week? Really hope you're right but he seems no closer to leaving the club to me than he did several weeks ago. 

I think tomorrow will make his posistion untenable- Lansdown may be stubborn, but he's not stupid. I can't believe this level of unrest is with tolerance levels.

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Unfortunately I have also taken the decision to stay away from Ashton Gate until LJ is gone! 43 years of following City through good times and bad,....but never times as bad as these. I just feel so angry that we have a head coach who is no doubt a nice guy in person but who does not have the first clue about how to sort the shambles he has created, and he is being 'enabled' by SL who has been a great benefactor for BCFC, but is in my opinion, at this time treating the fans with contempt, completely ignoring the fact that irreparable damage is being done to this club by his stubborn attitude.

I will hope that City perform a miracle and somehow avoid the drop, but that will be without my prescence at AG.

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9 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said:

I think tomorrow will make his posistion untenable- Lansdown may be stubborn, but he's not stupid. I can't believe this level of unrest is with tolerance levels.

Hope you're right. His position has been untenable and there has been unrest for weeks/months now though so I wonder if and when this fiasco is going to end. 

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27 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

It may, it may not.  The notion of 'jobs for the boys' though is hackneyed and I can't see how it applies in this case.  Lansdown appointed a manager from another club who just happened to have been a player with us.  That's hardly unheard of.  I respect your opinions (even though the 'a senior employee at AG told my barber line' is right up there with some of the best), but you don't necessarily speak for everyone.

Rather than continuing to dwell on a situation that looks unlikely to change in the next 36 hours, wouldn't it be more positive (and entertaining!) to focus on the Norwich match?

Were McInnes, O'Driscoll, Cotterill afforded the same time as Johnson? If this exact same situation had occurred with any of these three men in charge you think they'd still be in post?

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24 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Were McInnes, O'Driscoll, Cotterill afforded the same time as Johnson? If this exact same situation had occurred with any of these three men in charge you think they'd still be in post?

So right.

I know you were no fan of Cotterill (and although we argued, you were of course perfectly entitled to your view) and so when a critic of his like you can see the present post holder is being treated completely differently to him it speaks volumes.

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Ive watched city through multiple dogfights and relegation and never once thought about not going but this time it's different. 

I'm not even enjoying the games we don't lose and what's alarming for me is I dont really care anymore. 

I'm close to being done with this and following the sofa - how the **** has it got to this. 

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Not for me.

He backed the wrong horse and didn't pull the trigger when he probably should have. 

Steve Lansdown is a human. He makes mistakes. He will make them again. Just like the rest of us. Sorry but not one of you on here in his position wouldn't have made mistakes when the chips are down and the pressure is on.

So when LJ is gone, we dust ourselves down, hug and say sorry and go again. Because his heart is in the right place.

Simple as that.

If it's in league one, then let's ******* take it by storm next season.

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7 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Not for me.

He backed the wrong horse and didn't pull the trigger when he probably should have. 

Steve Lansdown is a human. He makes mistakes. He will make them again. Just like the rest of us. Sorry but not one of you on here in his position wouldn't have made mistakes when the chips are down and the pressure is on.

So when LJ is gone, we dust ourselves down, hug and say sorry and go again. Because his heart is in the right place.

Simple as that.

If it's in league one, then let's ******* take it by storm next season.

Sorry, but **** League 1

**** Gillingham, **** Chesterfield, **** Bradford, **** Walsall, **** Port ******* Vale

And especially **** Bristol R*vers and **** Swindon Town, the ******* *****

**** the ******* lot of them

I've had a ******* gut full of the ******* lot of them, I don't want to go back

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1 minute ago, Woodsy said:

Sorry, but **** League 1

**** Gillingham, **** Chesterfield, **** Bradford, **** Walsall, **** Port ******* Vale

And especially **** Bristol R*vers and **** Swindon Town

**** the ******* lot of them

I've had a ******* gut full of the ******* lot of them, I don't want to go back

Me neither. Me neither. It's depressing.

I've not given up in this season yet either, though. 

But in my lifetime it will be nothing new to be playing them. We've got out of that league before and we will have to do it again. 

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City have approximately 14,000 season ticket holders?

That figure could be halved if we're relegated and Johnson is retained. Why support a failure?

This will mean millions in lost revenue from this source, live TV broadcasts, ,corporate hospitality, matchday food and drink sales, superstore purchases, and a reduction in footfall and away support.

Make that a likely double drop with Bristol Rugby and you're talking ground staff redundancies aplenty.

Bye-bye 15% matchday discount for season ticket holders.

Relegation has far reaching effects.

 

 

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Well said KIR.

I am not going near Ashton Gate for City matches while Johnson is with the club. If relegated, which I believe is now a formality, I will not buy a Season ticket for League One. Apart from when I lived in Portugal for eight years, I've only missed a handful of league and FA/FL cup matches since I left school in 1960. even in Portugal, I had an ST one season and saw at least six games per season.

My father first watched City around 1910-11 as a 7 year old. His last match was a year or so before his death in 1984 so he and I have stuck with some real ups and downs at this club.

And with Bristol Rugby all but confirmed as going down, I won't renew that one either. My dog will really appreciate the long walks that she will get on Saturday/Sunday afternoons. I'll save the ST money, spend less on car fuel and train fares but i wonder how long will be the grieving period.

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