Roger Red Hat Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39264495 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Just finished listening to that. What he says has some truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39264495 Could almost talking about someone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Interesting,could easily apply to lee johnson i suppose. The only problem with warnocks point of view is that managers from lower divisions will become good championship managers in the future but maybe its much harder these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 He makes some good points but it's a bit chicken and egg isn't it. You can't prove yourself in the championship without being appointed and he's saying you shouldn't be appointed if you haven't proved yourself. If a club gets promoted should they sack their manager because the current man has only managed at L1 level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 The fact that is barely ever acknowledged on here is that Lee Johnson was not a failure last season. He was a success. We avoided the drop with some ease having been certs for relegation when LJ was appointed. So he is not like Warren Joyce as has been stated on this thread, he is like Neil Warnock is this season, indeed, LJ was more impressive as he had far less time to effect a turnaround. Indeed, Warnock's Cardiff might well be in the relegation zone next season, which would again draw parallels with LJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, handsofclay said: The fact that is barely ever acknowledged on here is that Lee Johnson was not a failure last season. He was a success. We avoided the drop with some ease having been certs for relegation when LJ was appointed. So he is not like Warren Joyce as has been stated on this thread, he is like Neil Warnock is this season, indeed, LJ was more impressive as he had far less time to effect a turnaround. Indeed, Warnock's Cardiff might well be in the relegation zone next season, which would again draw parallels with LJ. Ah yes but you're only allowed to credit Pemberton for good results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAGa Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 27 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said: Could almost talking about someone else Not really. Like most other people pre-October, Neil rated LJ and said at the end of last season he expected us to push for the play-offs this season. LJ had already done a very good job at Oldham and created a promotion winning squad at Barnsley before coming here - Joyce had no experience in management at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, JHAGa said: Not really. Like most other people pre-October, Neil rated LJ and said at the end of last season he expected us to push for the play-offs this season. LJ had already done a very good job at Oldham and created a promotion winning squad at Barnsley before coming here - Joyce had no experience in management at all. Please quantify a good job.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 24 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said: Please quantify a good job.? one where you get paid loads of money and do f all for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, reddoh said: one where you get paid loads of money and do f all for it Ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin1988 Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 38 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said: Please quantify a good job.? We don't need to rewrite history to point out that Oldham have spent agrand total of three days as high as they were the day LJ left in February 2015. We might not be as high as the day LJ leaves City for a while either, but in a slightly different interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAGa Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 40 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said: Please quantify a good job.? Getting his Oldham side challenging for the play-offs on an extremely limited budget in his first job after taking over them when it looked like they were destined for L2. Building a squad at Barnsley that was capable of getting promoted when up to that point they'd been in freefall (yes, he had the losing run there also but he had turned it around by the time he'd left). Keeping us up last season and then had us challenging for the play-offs as late as October this season - yes, we know what's happened since but he lost Kodjia and more experienced managers than Lee have failed here. It's hard to turn the tide when things aren't going your way but we've shown positive signs in recent weeks. You can't just focus on the last 4 months and pretend he hasn't shown good promise as a manager in the years beforehand - certainly more than Joyce which is what the post was about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 17 minutes ago, JHAGa said: Getting his Oldham side challenging for the play-offs on an extremely limited budget in his first job after taking over them when it looked like they were destined for L2. Building a squad at Barnsley that was capable of getting promoted when up to that point they'd been in freefall (yes, he had the losing run there also but he had turned it around by the time he'd left). Keeping us up last season and then had us challenging for the play-offs as late as October this season - yes, we know what's happened since but he lost Kodjia and more experienced managers than Lee have failed here. It's hard to turn the tide when things aren't going your way but we've shown positive signs in recent weeks. You can't just focus on the last 4 months and pretend he hasn't shown good promise as a manager in the years beforehand - certainly more than Joyce which is what the post was about. No , he is a good league 1 & 2 manager sadly not a Championship manager though , most can see that and trust me you will eventually come to this conclusion. It will just take you a little longer than the rest. Also on the focusing on the last 5 months you also cannot ignore the fact that is almost half his time here .? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 His name's Neil...I love his confidence, and he's right, you can't chuck a rookie into the championship cauldron...doesn't work does it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 1 hour ago, BS4 on Tour... said: His name's Neil...I love his confidence, and he's right, you can't chuck a rookie into the championship cauldron...doesn't work does it... david wagner? paul heckingbottom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 Warnock was far from a rookie when he fooked up at Palace and before that Bury. He's had more clubs than Tony Jacklin and he chooses his jobs quite carefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Cloud Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 maybe the worse thing to do was to give him money to spend, that would explain why his formations and player positioning are so random, he's got too much choice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 4 hours ago, bobby kellard was go said: david wagner? paul heckingbottom? Fair play...good response, not sure Wagner counts as a rookie, but they've both done well....unlike our guy. Don't underestimate the role JP played in keeping us up last season.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 even the "great" Warnock had to start somewhere. Even he had a first experience of Tier 2 Football....FFS I remember when he took charge of Argyle. Kick the ball into the channels he boomed...Argyle fans thought he meant the English Channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aizoon Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 8 hours ago, handsofclay said: The fact that is barely ever acknowledged on here is that Lee Johnson was not a failure last season. He was a success. We avoided the drop with some ease having been certs for relegation when LJ was appointed. So he is not like Warren Joyce as has been stated on this thread, he is like Neil Warnock is this season, indeed, LJ was more impressive as he had far less time to effect a turnaround. Indeed, Warnock's Cardiff might well be in the relegation zone next season, which would again draw parallels with LJ. No we weren't. We weren't even in the drop zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Aizoon said: No we weren't. We weren't even in the drop zone. City were 22nd in the table when Johnson was officially appointed. 22nd in the table is in the drop zone!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted March 14, 2017 Report Share Posted March 14, 2017 7 hours ago, Red-Robbo said: Warnock was far from a rookie when he fooked up at Palace and before that Bury. He's had more clubs than Tony Jacklin and he chooses his jobs quite carefully. I wouldn't say he 'fooked up' at Palace, he took them from a relegation battle to championship play offs in six months... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 2 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: I wouldn't say he 'fooked up' at Palace, he took them from a relegation battle to championship play offs in six months... I am talking about his second stint when they were relegated, although even first time around his spending helped push them into administration - and he was bested by Gary Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 11 hours ago, Vincent Vega said: No , he is a good league 1 & 2 manager sadly not a Championship manager though , most can see that and trust me you will eventually come to this conclusion. It will just take you a little longer than the rest. Also on the focusing on the last 5 months you also cannot ignore the fact that is almost half his time here .? But you can ignore that it is less than half his time here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 7 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Fair play...good response, not sure Wagner counts as a rookie, but they've both done well....unlike our guy. Don't underestimate the role JP played in keeping us up last season.... Of course Wagner counts, Warnock's exact statement is ""I like Warren but you can't just put someone into the Championship who's never been there - it's nothing like youth football." Wagner had never been there. He's not specifically talking about 'rookies', but rather people who've never managed at that level. Joyce isn't a 'rookie' in football terms, he's been a coach for years working with some excellent players at United. Then again, you're always going to get exceptions to the rule like Wagner. Also, I think it's wrong to discredit LJ for our survival but credit it to Pemberton. The simple reason is because none of us know for sure. All we can judge it on is the results, which were very good in that period under Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curr Avon Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 15 hours ago, bobby kellard was go said: david wagner? paul heckingbottom? David Wagner was manager of Borussia Dortmund II, their reserves, from 2011 to 2015. They currently play in the Regionalliga; the fourth tier of German football. Wagner achieved promotion to the nationwide 3.Liga, third tier during his time there. As for Heckingbottom, most Barnsley fans think that the man who is currently out-performing Johnson, despite having a tiny budget, is the real reason the Tykes were promoted in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Can we have thread next week when he gives another interview completely contradicting what he said in this one? He is the Donald Trump of British football.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 10 hours ago, JamesBCFC said: But you can ignore that it is less than half his time here? You'll come around. Look forward to chat . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Pretty low for him slating a bloke who has just been sacked. Absolute cock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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