reddogkev Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 After beating Seville to progress in the Champions League, it begs the question again: Why did they under-perform in the league for Claudio to such an extent that relegation was looking assured? Are the players an absolute disgrace for failing the charming Italian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 11 minutes ago, reddogkev said: After beating Seville to progress in the Champions League, it begs the question again: Why did they under-perform in the league for Claudio to such an extent that relegation was looking assured? Are the players an absolute disgrace for failing the charming Italian? Ranieri was very consistent with his team selection last year, and the team & club reaped the benefits of a clear game plan and formation. This year as things have not gone to plan, in part because Premier League teams sussed out how to neutralise them, plus they lost their most influential player in Kante, Ranieri reverted to his "Tinker Man" tendencies, with the drop off in results. Remember the upturn in their fortunes came under Pearson winning 7 out of the last 9 games to stay up. And now Shakespeare has gone back to a consistent team selection and tactics, with the result being 3 consecutive victories and reaching the Champions League quarter finals. Some of the parallels with our situation are quite revealing apart from we missed out the League-winning season in between, and European football of course. Plus we have kept the Head Coach and sacked his equivalent, rather than sacking the manager and appointing his assistant until the end of the season. We will see which plan pans out better, but so far the evidence points one way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 20 minutes ago, reddogkev said: Are the players an absolute disgrace? Yes. The difference is so stark that there's no way they can say they were putting in maximum effort under Ranieri. Smacks of trying to get him sacked collectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 38 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Yes. The difference is so stark that there's no way they can say they were putting in maximum effort under Ranieri. Smacks of trying to get him sacked collectively. Absolutely, I am surprised that their fans have just lapped up the excuses, they have been stealing a living for 3/4 of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Something about Craig Shakespeare I don't like. Comes across as very smug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SARJ Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 1 hour ago, reddogkev said: After beating Seville to progress in the Champions League, it begs the question again: Why did they under-perform in the league for Claudio to such an extent that relegation was looking assured? Are the players an absolute disgrace for failing the charming Italian? For whatever reason, they didn't want the manager this season so saw to it that they got sacked. Now they are reaping the rewards. Would never happen down the Gate regardless of how poor the players perform #Johnson4Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Couldn't be happy for Leicester last night after watching the way Vardy acted. Modern football now just a game of who can best cheat their fellow 'professional' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dereks no1 Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 42 minutes ago, Super said: Something about Craig Shakespeare I don't like. Comes across as very smug. Exactly the same here. Seems too happy ATM especially considering the colleague who left him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gert Mare Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Yes but sacking the manager mid way through a season NEVER works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 9 hours ago, reddogkev said: After beating Seville to progress in the Champions League, it begs the question again: Why did they under-perform in the league for Claudio to such an extent that relegation was looking assured? Are the players an absolute disgrace for failing the charming Italian? our players underperforming? would they up it for a new manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 8 hours ago, Super said: Something about Craig Shakespeare I don't like. Comes across as very smug. A comment often said about LJ? Supporters I think are usually OK with that, when their team are winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 I am sure I read somewhere an ex Leicester coach said Shakespeare was the glue at the club, holding the club together this season and last season due to Ranieri being so erratic and disorganised. Interesting. Kante clearly a big loss. But it would appear that there may have been a problem with players and manager. Pretty off not performing when they really could haven making their own careers soar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Interesting how people on here are blaming the players and saying that they are disgrace. Would that also apply to our players this season? Or could it actually be that players' performances can be affected by managers, both positively and negatively? Maybe what worked last year (pizza & "dilly ding dilly dong") no longer inspired the Leicester players this season? That seems fairly likely I would suggest. That doesn't make the players completely blameless, but when a team performs badly and the manager takes the rap and loses his job, there is usually more to it than just a display of "player power". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 25 minutes ago, Dr Balls said: Interesting how people on here are blaming the players and saying that they are disgrace. Would that also apply to our players this season? Or could it actually be that players' performances can be affected by managers, both positively and negatively? Maybe what worked last year (pizza & "dilly ding dilly dong") no longer inspired the Leicester players this season? That seems fairly likely I would suggest. That doesn't make the players completely blameless, but when a team performs badly and the manager takes the rap and loses his job, there is usually more to it than just a display of "player power". And often triggered by just one or two players falling out with the manager If not sorted quickly spreads like a disease - 2 become 4 become 6 - have heard near a dozen ex pros talk about this recently in relation to Leicester etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunnyfunt Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Players are not a disgrace at all. Raineri this season for whatever reason was awful in everything down to his buys and his tinkering with the team. He couldn't get a tune out of this side and was rightfully sacked. Shakespeare has gone back to basics and shock horror, results are picking up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 22 hours ago, Dr Balls said: Ranieri was very consistent with his team selection last year, and the team & club reaped the benefits of a clear game plan and formation. This year as things have not gone to plan, in part because Premier League teams sussed out how to neutralise them, plus they lost their most influential player in Kante, Ranieri reverted to his "Tinker Man" tendencies, with the drop off in results. Remember the upturn in their fortunes came under Pearson winning 7 out of the last 9 games to stay up. And now Shakespeare has gone back to a consistent team selection and tactics, with the result being 3 consecutive victories and reaching the Champions League quarter finals. Some of the parallels with our situation are quite revealing apart from we missed out the League-winning season in between, and European football of course. Plus we have kept the Head Coach and sacked his equivalent, rather than sacking the manager and appointing his assistant until the end of the season. We will see which plan pans out better, but so far the evidence points one way. So that begs an interesting question, Shakespeare has gone back to last seasons Plan A, basic template. The same one PL sides sussed out how to play against and suddenly they are transformed. Gotta be an element of not playing for him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthBristolRed Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 13 hours ago, shelts said: our players underperforming? would they up it for a new manager? I'd like to think there would be a response from a new manager coming in Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 6 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: So that begs an interesting question, Shakespeare has gone back to last seasons Plan A, basic template. The same one PL sides sussed out how to play against and suddenly they are transformed. Gotta be an element of not playing for him too. Watched Vardy closely for large parts of one of Ranieri's last games He was jogging closing down , still giving the appearance he was working but never quite getting thee Since Ranieris gone I've continued to watch him closely and he's back to where he was last season chasing down anything and everything at full throttle Players are quite clever at times , in portraying they are still giving their all , whereas they are not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 Another point worth remembering - the Leicester board admitted publicity that there were things going on behind the scenes they couldn't talk about, I.E player fall outs. Our owner seems to feel that things are still good enough behind the scenes at BCFC.....or he's out of touch and has his head well and truly in the sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 54 minutes ago, Alessandro said: Another point worth remembering - the Leicester board admitted publicity that there were things going on behind the scenes they couldn't talk about, I.E player fall outs. Our owner seems to feel that things are still good enough behind the scenes at BCFC.....or he's out of touch and has his head well and truly in the sand. I think our owner is entirely. buried in the sand and lost from sight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 49 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Watched Vardy closely for large parts of one of Ranieri's last games He was jogging closing down , still giving the appearance he was working but never quite getting thee Since Ranieris gone I've continued to watch him closely and he's back to where he was last season chasing down anything and everything at full throttle Players are quite clever at times , in portraying they are still giving their all , whereas they are not Some of ours are clearly cheating us..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 12 hours ago, Cunnyfunt said: Players are not a disgrace at all. Raineri this season for whatever reason was awful in everything down to his buys and his tinkering with the team. He couldn't get a tune out of this side and was rightfully sacked. Shakespeare has gone back to basics and shock horror, results are picking up. I agree, no room for sentiment, Ranieri had a job to do, he was failing to get the best of his players so he had to go. You can't bask in past glories, football is about the 'here and now' - as Lukaku said today, he wants to leave Everton because they are still looking back to success in the '70s and '80s rather than focussing on moving onto the next level now. Was it Del Bosque at Real Madrid who was sacked just after winning the champions league? And the same with Di Matteo at Chelsea....clubs with proper ambition don't let their managers/squads get stale for too long...they act in the best interests of the club and it's future. Good grief, if LJ had won the premier league he'd have got a 15 year extension to his contract..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunnyfunt Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 11 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: I agree, no room for sentiment, Ranieri had a job to do, he was failing to get the best of his players so he had to go. You can't bask in past glories, football is about the 'here and now' - as Lukaku said today, he wants to leave Everton because they are still looking back to success in the '70s and '80s rather than focussing on moving onto the next level now. Was it Del Bosque at Real Madrid who was sacked just after winning the champions league? And the same with Di Matteo at Chelsea....clubs with proper ambition don't let their managers/squads get stale for too long...they act in the best interests of the club and it's future. Good grief, if LJ had won the premier league he'd have got a 15 year extension to his contract..... Couldn't agree more. Don't get me wrong he will be a lengend for LAST season but this season he was taking them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 Atletico Madrid v Leicester Not bad draw tough game obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 The best game out of those will be Dortmund v Monaco. Atletico Madrid (Spain) v Leicester City (Eng) Borussia Dortmund (Germany) v Monaco (France) Bayern Munich (Germany) v Real Madrid (Spain) Barcelona (Spain) v Juventus (Italy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 19 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: I agree, no room for sentiment, Ranieri had a job to do, he was failing to get the best of his players so he had to go. You can't bask in past glories, football is about the 'here and now' - as Lukaku said today, he wants to leave Everton because they are still looking back to success in the '70s and '80s rather than focussing on moving onto the next level now. Was it Del Bosque at Real Madrid who was sacked just after winning the champions league? And the same with Di Matteo at Chelsea....clubs with proper ambition don't let their managers/squads get stale for too long...they act in the best interests of the club and it's future. Good grief, if LJ had won the premier league he'd have got a 15 year extension to his contract..... The Del Bosque one was just nonsense though- even by modern standards. He won the title and then got sacked the next day! Rather happily, Real Madrid then didn't win a CL for over a decade. But yes clubs do hire and fire even when the going is good. Real Madrid are a nonsense for it though, vile club, vile fans. Gotta say it's funny that they throw all that money at it and have won just one title in 8 seasons is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthBristolRed Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 19 minutes ago, Super said: The best game out of those will be Dortmund v Monaco. Atletico Madrid (Spain) v Leicester City (Eng) Borussia Dortmund (Germany) v Monaco (France) Bayern Munich (Germany) v Real Madrid (Spain) Barcelona (Spain) v Juventus (Italy) Some great ties there. Probably not the draw Leicester wanted but you never know in football... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 On 15/03/2017 at 10:34, Dr Balls said: Ranieri was very consistent with his team selection last year, and the team & club reaped the benefits of a clear game plan and formation. This year as things have not gone to plan, in part because Premier League teams sussed out how to neutralise them, plus they lost their most influential player in Kante, Ranieri reverted to his "Tinker Man" tendencies, with the drop off in results. Remember the upturn in their fortunes came under Pearson winning 7 out of the last 9 games to stay up. And now Shakespeare has gone back to a consistent team selection and tactics, with the result being 3 consecutive victories and reaching the Champions League quarter finals. Some of the parallels with our situation are quite revealing apart from we missed out the League-winning season in between, and European football of course. Plus we have kept the Head Coach and sacked his equivalent, rather than sacking the manager and appointing his assistant until the end of the season. We will see which plan pans out better, but so far the evidence points one way. And using OTIB logic that means Pearson won them the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 at 11:27, Super said: Something about Craig Shakespeare I don't like. Comes across as very smug. I wouldn't want him at AG....he should be bard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted March 17, 2017 Report Share Posted March 17, 2017 21 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: I agree, no room for sentiment, Ranieri had a job to do, he was failing to get the best of his players so he had to go. You can't bask in past glories, football is about the 'here and now' - as Lukaku said today, he wants to leave Everton because they are still looking back to success in the '70s and '80s rather than focussing on moving onto the next level now. Was it Del Bosque at Real Madrid who was sacked just after winning the champions league? And the same with Di Matteo at Chelsea....clubs with proper ambition don't let their managers/squads get stale for too long...they act in the best interests of the club and it's future. Good grief, if LJ had won the premier league he'd have got a 15 year extension to his contract..... And most likely a beatification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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