BS4 on Tour... Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 Just a quick rant-ette..... Gareth Southgate was asked today why he hadn't included Andy Carroll in his England squad for the friendly with Germany and the subsequent World Cup qualifier. His reply was that Carroll hadn't played enough games recently so wasn't fit enough. Yet he has picked Luke Shaw in the squad, a player who has played one game since last October. Doesn't the England manager realise how ridiculous that makes his answer about Carroll sound? We ain't thick...don't treat us like we are. I have spent the majority of my professional career working in Communications, PR and Media Relations....and the first thing I've told everyone I've worked with is 'Don't ever lie, it will come back to bite you, just front up everything and tell the truth.' Hate how the England hierarchy right now think they can fob us off with shite contradictions.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Just a quick rant-ette..... Gareth Southgate was asked today why he hadn't included Andy Carroll in his England squad for the friendly with Germany and the subsequent World Cup qualifier. His reply was that Carroll hadn't played enough games recently so wasn't fit enough. Yet he has picked Luke Shaw in the squad, a player who has played one game since last October. Doesn't the England manager realise how ridiculous that makes his answer about Carroll sound? We ain't thick...don't treat us like we are. I have spent the majority of my professional career working in Communications, PR and Media Relations....and the first thing I've told everyone I've worked with is 'Don't ever lie, it will come back to bite you, just front up everything and tell the truth.' Hate how the England hierarchy right now think they can fob us off with shite contradictions.... Luke Shaw was required due to the injury of Danny Rose. Andy Carrol wasn't required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted March 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, JasonM88 said: Luke Shaw was required due to the injury of Danny Rose. Andy Carrol wasn't required. Yeh, but Danny Rose has been injured since the end of January, it's not like Luke Shaw has been drafted in at late notice to cover him. Southgate picked a player who has played one game since October then justifies not picking another one due to lack of game time. You say Carroll isn't required....we've only picked three strikers, two of which either are out of form or don't play regularly for their clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 1 minute ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Yeh, but Danny Rose has been injured since the end of January, it's not like Luke Shaw has been drafted in at late notice to cover him. Southgate picked a player who has played one game since October then justifies not picking another one due to lack of game time. You say Carroll isn't required....we've only picked three strikers, two of which either are out of form or don't play regularly for their clubs. Vardy is in form now, and Rashford is a future star in which it can only help to have him in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted March 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, JasonM88 said: Vardy is in form now.... Yet five Englishmen have scored more Premier League goals this season than him, including Troy Deeney and Andre Gray....and Walcott has scored the same number as him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonM88 Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 10 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Yet five Englishmen have scored more Premier League goals this season than him, including Troy Deeney and Andre Gray....and Walcott has scored the same number as him.... Last 6 games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 Maybe this particular answer is relative to the player. It's possible that he is treating the cases of Shaw and Carroll individually - perhaps he thinks Carroll needs much longer to get to match fitness whereas Shaw, being younger, can come into the squad having not played regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive user Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 I remember watching Southgate stood motionless on the touchline in front of the Williams Stand about 10 years ago when Boro were in town. I thought he looked clueless then. I think he still is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 I always like a plan B, Carol or Deeney would be that. 3 similar forwards for a friendly when they could have at least had a look as something else, and Carol has scored some great goals this year. Also not many International teams face that sort of thing very often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 8 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Just a quick rant-ette..... Gareth Southgate was asked today why he hadn't included Andy Carroll in his England squad for the friendly with Germany and the subsequent World Cup qualifier. His reply was that Carroll hadn't played enough games recently so wasn't fit enough. Yet he has picked Luke Shaw in the squad, a player who has played one game since last October. Doesn't the England manager realise how ridiculous that makes his answer about Carroll sound? We ain't thick...don't treat us like we are. I have spent the majority of my professional career working in Communications, PR and Media Relations....and the first thing I've told everyone I've worked with is 'Don't ever lie, it will come back to bite you, just front up everything and tell the truth.' Hate how the England hierarchy right now think they can fob us off with shite contradictions.... we have loads of strikers, we don't have many left backs, and I suspect shaw won't actually play he's prob there for cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 9 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Just a quick rant-ette..... Gareth Southgate was asked today why he hadn't included Andy Carroll in his England squad for the friendly with Germany and the subsequent World Cup qualifier. His reply was that Carroll hadn't played enough games recently so wasn't fit enough. Yet he has picked Luke Shaw in the squad, a player who has played one game since last October. Doesn't the England manager realise how ridiculous that makes his answer about Carroll sound? We ain't thick...don't treat us like we are. I have spent the majority of my professional career working in Communications, PR and Media Relations....and the first thing I've told everyone I've worked with is 'Don't ever lie, it will come back to bite you, just front up everything and tell the truth.' Hate how the England hierarchy right now think they can fob us off with shite contradictions.... I haven't come across too many in my time that you worked with then!.....honesty and humility seem to die by the day,its the world we live in now I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaspberryRed Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 9 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Yet five Englishmen have scored more Premier League goals this season than him, including Troy Deeney and Andre Gray....and Walcott has scored the same number as him.... You were winning until adding that as balast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Perhaps it's Southgate who is thick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 I really find it hard to care about England these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 29 minutes ago, cheshire_red said: Perhaps it's Southgate who is thick? You beat me to it with your comment. Southgate doesn't come over as the brightest button in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcnick Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 In his defence he has to be diplomatic about players he doesn't select. If he doesn't like him for this game or he rates others above him then he can't say as such. He needs to keep his options open for the future rather than alienate players by saying the wrong thing. Fair enough for Andy Carroll fans to disagree with the failure to pick him but I don't think it shows a lack of intelligence to use diplomatic reasoning for those he leaves out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 25 minutes ago, Ivorguy said: You beat me to it with your comment. Southgate doesn't come over as the brightest button in the box. He's actually the opposite to that. He's a bright guy and so is Junior but they both tend to over complicate what is a simple game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 whats Andy Carroll actually done to deserve to be in the england squad anyway?, he shouldn't be anywhere near the national team unless the physio needs a work out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 15 minutes ago, Monkeh said: whats Andy Carroll actually done to deserve to be in the england squad anyway?, he shouldn't be anywhere near the national team unless the physio needs a work out He's been in good form actually. Scored a fantastic overhead kick a few weeks ago too. Probably deserved a place really. When he's at his best he's a fantastic option to have; not many better genuine targetmen in the premier league when he's playing well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: He's been in good form actually. Scored a fantastic overhead kick a few weeks ago too. Probably deserved a place really. When he's at his best he's a fantastic option to have; not many better genuine targetmen in the premier league when he's playing well. fair enough, I'm bias'd against him as I don't really rate him, think Vardy is a better target man who is good at playing on the shoulder of the last defender, Carroll is more like Boom Boom, ie... chucking him on when time is running out and you are chasing a game so you can lump it up to him and he can be a presence from corners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, Monkeh said: fair enough, I'm bias'd against him as I don't really rate him, think Vardy is a better target man who is good at playing on the shoulder of the last defender, Carroll is more like Boom Boom, ie... chucking him on when time is running out and you are chasing a game so you can lump it up to him and he can be a presence from corners Him and Vardy are very different players - I wouldn't describe Vardy as a 'targetman' in the purest sense. You'd compare Carroll against players he plays in a similar way to - such as Llorente or Benteke. He's a very good option to have in the same way Vardy, Kane, Defoe and Rashford are all very good options with different strengths. What you describe is one use for him, in the same way that it is for Wilbraham. He, like Wilbraham, also has lots more to his game than that. He's a far better player than lots give him credit for - just a shame he's perpetually injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Him and Vardy are very different players - I wouldn't describe Vardy as a 'targetman' in the purest sense. You'd compare Carroll against players he plays in a similar way to - such as Llorente or Benteke. He's a very good option to have in the same way Vardy, Kane, Defoe and Rashford are all very good options with different strengths. What you describe is one use for him, in the same way that it is for Wilbraham. He, like Wilbraham, also has lots more to his game than that. He's a far better player than lots give him credit for - just a shame he's perpetually injured. depends on the style Southgate is trying to play I suppose, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 Take my hat off to people that are actually still bothering about the national team.. that last euro's was the final straw for me jesus christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin101 Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 12 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: I have spent the majority of my professional career working in Communications, PR and Media Relations.... Do you ever offer work experience to about-to-graduate Bristol City fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 26 minutes ago, Robin101 said: Do you ever offer work experience to about-to-graduate Bristol City fans? Better have a quick flick through your posting history and make any 'necessary' amendments! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted March 22, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 13 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said: Yet five Englishmen have scored more Premier League goals this season than him, including Troy Deeney and Andre Gray....and Walcott has scored the same number as him.... Yeah but they weren't trying to get their managers sacked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted March 22, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 1 hour ago, bris red said: Take my hat off to people that are actually still bothering about the national team.. that last euro's was the final straw for me jesus christ. I literally couldn't tell you one other team from our qualifying group without googling it first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Ian M said: I literally couldn't tell you one other team from our qualifying group without googling it first. scotland, and thats it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 3 hours ago, Robbored said: He's actually the opposite to that. He's a bright guy and so is Junior but they both tend to over complicate what is a simple game. So not so bright then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollywhyte Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 5 hours ago, Monkeh said: we have loads of strikers, we don't have many left backs, and I suspect shaw won't actually play he's prob there for cover Bertrand, Baines, Gibbs, Rose and Cresswell - we have decent options at left back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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