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It has taken a long time, and it is with sadness and a little bit of regret that this season the reasons for the continued failure at Bristol City has brought the focus to one man.

Lee Johnson ? No, absolutely not, he is the pawn in what was clearly a pre arranged plan to allow Mr Lansdown to finally get his way.

On any footballing level, Lee J should never have been appointed, and since then, all of the reason for not appointing him, have become clear and evident in the most brutal way. He has not got a clue what he is doing. Any other club would have fired him, and not one club in the Championship would have a coach trio of Johnson, Mcallister and Holden. None.

So why have we got this situation ? Why have we got a blatantly incompetent coach, with the worst losing record in our history with the greatest transfer budget ever and 19 new players still sat smugly in a job?

The answer lies with the owner. From his interviews he has always wanted to be close, go into the changing rooms, be involved , and be part of the system. As well he might, as he would argue, having thrown  millions at the club. He has alledgedly wanted compliant managers and wanted people do do his thing. But the appointment of LJ has taken this to new levels. He himself talks of debriefing with the manager after games and offering advice.

Is the only reason LJ is in a job is because it allows Mr Lansdown to play out some middle aged fantasy of being a football manager. It's not new is it ? How many owners have done it, played at it ? Numerous. They cannot help themselves. The passion and desire takes over, and they feel they know better and can do better. Numerous people have left BCFC, but few talk, you don’t want to ruin your name in the game, or you are bound by a confidentiality order with your pay off. Mr Lansdown said the one thing he dislikes about football compared to business is confidentiality. Of course, because he wants to carry on with his game and he does not want the fans of the club to know about it.

There have been a few occasions over the last months when people have given accounts of what is going on at AG, but unless you hear that first hand you are reluctant to put it out and it needs to go on record. It goes beyond gossip though, goes beyond tittle tattle and forum chat , it is serious, and whilst we battle relegation, it is hardly supportive to put out anything that could be described as destabilising, not least when you know Mr Ashton will try and use legal means to stop it ( as he did at Watford). But it is the sort of thing that would interest newspapers, the media, not just fans, because what has been happening at BCFC is a form scandal. Not a financial one, not illegal, no one is going to prison, but before fans keep thinking that Mr Lansdown is the savour of this club, you should think about other clubs that have survived worse and start to consider than instead of the saviour, Mr Lansdown is in fact the problem. 

There is no footballing or business reason Lee Johnson is in a job, not one club in England would still employ him, and now, probably few others ever will. So you have to ask why Mr Lansdown has behaved so irrationally, never explained any footballing reason, or logic for his choice. He cannot, because he is unable to admit, it is he who wants Lee Johnson as manager so he can continue his personal game. There is good reason why BCFC cannot employ top managers, it is because of the way the club is run. There is one common factor.

Amongst all this, fans have now become conditioned to thinking that the only person in the world that will support BCFC is Mr Lansdown. Other clubs have shown that there are no lack of buyers of English football clubs. It is simply not true. Someone will replace him, one day they will. But to hear the moaning and complaints of fans, almost held under their breath these days, not transferred to a protest at games has been one of the most shocking aspects of this sorry charade. Our fans have lost their voice, and are now happy to be treated as fools and abject failure as if it is better than nothing. Sometimes you deserbve what you get, and at the moment that is true of BCFC fans. No longer is there a bite no longer is the passion there. We are as limp as a Lee Johnson press conference. It is time we got our voice back. The numbers who write on here are small compared to the fans at games, so you can understand why such forums are regarded as minority groups. If indeed people here are the minority, then forget all of this, and be happy for product that is offered. I rather think it is quite the opposite though, and the vast majority are arriving at the same conclusion. 

So stop worrying about lee Johnson, he is the least of your worries, the problem is at the top. Hero to zero and time he sold out.

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5 minutes ago, Psychopomp said:

It has taken a long time, and it is with sadness and a little bit of regret that this season the reasons for the continued failure at Bristol City has brought the focus to one man.

Lee Johnson ? No, absolutely not, he is the pawn in what was clearly a pre arranged plan to allow Mr Lansdown to finally get his way.

On any footballing level, Lee J should never have been appointed, and since then, all of the reason for not appointing him, have become clear and evident in the most brutal way. He has not got a clue what he is doing. Any other club would have fired him, and not one club in the Championship would have a coach trio of Johnson, Mcallister and Holden. None.

So why have we got this situation ? Why have we got a blatantly incompetent coach, with the worst losing record in our history with the greatest transfer budget ever and 19 new players still sat smugly in a job?

The answer lies with the owner. From his interviews he has always wanted to be close, go into the changing rooms, be involved , and be part of the system. As well he might, as he would argue, having thrown  millions at the club. He has alledgedly wanted compliant managers and wanted people do do his thing. But the appointment of LJ has taken this to new levels. He himself talks of debriefing with the manager after games and offering advice.

Is the only reason LJ is in a job is because it allows Mr Lansdown to play out some middle aged fantasy of being a football manager. It's not new is it ? How many owners have done it, played at it ? Numerous. They cannot help themselves. The passion and desire takes over, and they feel they know better and can do better. Numerous people have left BCFC, but few talk, you don’t want to ruin your name in the game, or you are bound by a confidentiality order with your pay off. Mr Lansdown said the one thing he dislikes about football compared to business is confidentiality. Of course, because he wants to carry on with his game and he does not want the fans of the club to know about it.

There have been a few occasions over the last months when people have given accounts of what is going on at AG, but unless you hear that first hand you are reluctant to put it out and it needs to go on record. It goes beyond gossip though, goes beyond tittle tattle and forum chat , it is serious, and whilst we battle relegation, it is hardly supportive to put out anything that could be described as destabilising, not least when you know Mr Ashton will try and use legal means to stop it ( as he did at Watford). But it is the sort of thing that would interest newspapers, the media, not just fans, because what has been happening at BCFC is a form scandal. Not a financial one, not illegal, no one is going to prison, but before fans keep thinking that Mr Lansdown is the savour of this club, you should think about other clubs that have survived worse and start to consider than instead of the saviour, Mr Lansdown is in fact the problem. 

There is no footballing or business reason Lee Johnson is in a job, not one club in England would still employ him, and now, probably few others ever will. So you have to ask why Mr Lansdown has behaved so irrationally, never explained any footballing reason, or logic for his choice. He cannot, because he is unable to admit, it is he who wants Lee Johnson as manager so he can continue his personal game. There is good reason why BCFC cannot employ top managers, it is because of the way the club is run. There is one common factor.

Amongst all this, fans have now become conditioned to thinking that the only person in the world that will support BCFC is Mr Lansdown. Other clubs have shown that there are no lack of buyers of English football clubs. It is simply not true. Someone will replace him, one day they will. But to hear the moaning and complaints of fans, almost held under their breath these days, not transferred to a protest at games has been one of the most shocking aspects of this sorry charade. Our fans have lost their voice, and are now happy to be treated as fools and abject failure as if it is better than nothing. Sometimes you deserbve what you get, and at the moment that is true of BCFC fans. No longer is there a bite no longer is the passion there. We are as limp as a Lee Johnson press conference. It is time we got our voice back. The numbers who write on here are small compared to the fans at games, so you can understand why such forums are regarded as minority groups. If indeed people here are the minority, then forget all of this, and be happy for product that is offered. I rather think it is quite the opposite though, and the vast majority are arriving at the same conclusion. 

So stop worrying about lee Johnson, he is the least of your worries, the problem is at the top. Hero to zero and time he sold out.

Great post:clap:

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46 minutes ago, Psychopomp said:

It has taken a long time, and it is with sadness and a little bit of regret that this season the reasons for the continued failure at Bristol City has brought the focus to one man.

Lee Johnson ? No, absolutely not, he is the pawn in what was clearly a pre arranged plan to allow Mr Lansdown to finally get his way.

On any footballing level, Lee J should never have been appointed, and since then, all of the reason for not appointing him, have become clear and evident in the most brutal way. He has not got a clue what he is doing. Any other club would have fired him, and not one club in the Championship would have a coach trio of Johnson, Mcallister and Holden. None.

So why have we got this situation ? Why have we got a blatantly incompetent coach, with the worst losing record in our history with the greatest transfer budget ever and 19 new players still sat smugly in a job?

The answer lies with the owner. From his interviews he has always wanted to be close, go into the changing rooms, be involved , and be part of the system. As well he might, as he would argue, having thrown  millions at the club. He has alledgedly wanted compliant managers and wanted people do do his thing. But the appointment of LJ has taken this to new levels. He himself talks of debriefing with the manager after games and offering advice.

Is the only reason LJ is in a job is because it allows Mr Lansdown to play out some middle aged fantasy of being a football manager. It's not new is it ? How many owners have done it, played at it ? Numerous. They cannot help themselves. The passion and desire takes over, and they feel they know better and can do better. Numerous people have left BCFC, but few talk, you don’t want to ruin your name in the game, or you are bound by a confidentiality order with your pay off. Mr Lansdown said the one thing he dislikes about football compared to business is confidentiality. Of course, because he wants to carry on with his game and he does not want the fans of the club to know about it.

There have been a few occasions over the last months when people have given accounts of what is going on at AG, but unless you hear that first hand you are reluctant to put it out and it needs to go on record. It goes beyond gossip though, goes beyond tittle tattle and forum chat , it is serious, and whilst we battle relegation, it is hardly supportive to put out anything that could be described as destabilising, not least when you know Mr Ashton will try and use legal means to stop it ( as he did at Watford). But it is the sort of thing that would interest newspapers, the media, not just fans, because what has been happening at BCFC is a form scandal. Not a financial one, not illegal, no one is going to prison, but before fans keep thinking that Mr Lansdown is the savour of this club, you should think about other clubs that have survived worse and start to consider than instead of the saviour, Mr Lansdown is in fact the problem. 

There is no footballing or business reason Lee Johnson is in a job, not one club in England would still employ him, and now, probably few others ever will. So you have to ask why Mr Lansdown has behaved so irrationally, never explained any footballing reason, or logic for his choice. He cannot, because he is unable to admit, it is he who wants Lee Johnson as manager so he can continue his personal game. There is good reason why BCFC cannot employ top managers, it is because of the way the club is run. There is one common factor.

Amongst all this, fans have now become conditioned to thinking that the only person in the world that will support BCFC is Mr Lansdown. Other clubs have shown that there are no lack of buyers of English football clubs. It is simply not true. Someone will replace him, one day they will. But to hear the moaning and complaints of fans, almost held under their breath these days, not transferred to a protest at games has been one of the most shocking aspects of this sorry charade. Our fans have lost their voice, and are now happy to be treated as fools and abject failure as if it is better than nothing. Sometimes you deserbve what you get, and at the moment that is true of BCFC fans. No longer is there a bite no longer is the passion there. We are as limp as a Lee Johnson press conference. It is time we got our voice back. The numbers who write on here are small compared to the fans at games, so you can understand why such forums are regarded as minority groups. If indeed people here are the minority, then forget all of this, and be happy for product that is offered. I rather think it is quite the opposite though, and the vast majority are arriving at the same conclusion. 

So stop worrying about lee Johnson, he is the least of your worries, the problem is at the top. Hero to zero and time he sold out.

I'm beginning to fear there is a lot of truth in this post.

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54 minutes ago, Psychopomp said:

It has taken a long time, and it is with sadness and a little bit of regret that this season the reasons for the continued failure at Bristol City has brought the focus to one man.

Lee Johnson ? No, absolutely not, he is the pawn in what was clearly a pre arranged plan to allow Mr Lansdown to finally get his way.

On any footballing level, Lee J should never have been appointed, and since then, all of the reason for not appointing him, have become clear and evident in the most brutal way. He has not got a clue what he is doing. Any other club would have fired him, and not one club in the Championship would have a coach trio of Johnson, Mcallister and Holden. None.

So why have we got this situation ? Why have we got a blatantly incompetent coach, with the worst losing record in our history with the greatest transfer budget ever and 19 new players still sat smugly in a job?

The answer lies with the owner. From his interviews he has always wanted to be close, go into the changing rooms, be involved , and be part of the system. As well he might, as he would argue, having thrown  millions at the club. He has alledgedly wanted compliant managers and wanted people do do his thing. But the appointment of LJ has taken this to new levels. He himself talks of debriefing with the manager after games and offering advice.

Is the only reason LJ is in a job is because it allows Mr Lansdown to play out some middle aged fantasy of being a football manager. It's not new is it ? How many owners have done it, played at it ? Numerous. They cannot help themselves. The passion and desire takes over, and they feel they know better and can do better. Numerous people have left BCFC, but few talk, you don’t want to ruin your name in the game, or you are bound by a confidentiality order with your pay off. Mr Lansdown said the one thing he dislikes about football compared to business is confidentiality. Of course, because he wants to carry on with his game and he does not want the fans of the club to know about it.

There have been a few occasions over the last months when people have given accounts of what is going on at AG, but unless you hear that first hand you are reluctant to put it out and it needs to go on record. It goes beyond gossip though, goes beyond tittle tattle and forum chat , it is serious, and whilst we battle relegation, it is hardly supportive to put out anything that could be described as destabilising, not least when you know Mr Ashton will try and use legal means to stop it ( as he did at Watford). But it is the sort of thing that would interest newspapers, the media, not just fans, because what has been happening at BCFC is a form scandal. Not a financial one, not illegal, no one is going to prison, but before fans keep thinking that Mr Lansdown is the savour of this club, you should think about other clubs that have survived worse and start to consider than instead of the saviour, Mr Lansdown is in fact the problem. 

There is no footballing or business reason Lee Johnson is in a job, not one club in England would still employ him, and now, probably few others ever will. So you have to ask why Mr Lansdown has behaved so irrationally, never explained any footballing reason, or logic for his choice. He cannot, because he is unable to admit, it is he who wants Lee Johnson as manager so he can continue his personal game. There is good reason why BCFC cannot employ top managers, it is because of the way the club is run. There is one common factor.

Amongst all this, fans have now become conditioned to thinking that the only person in the world that will support BCFC is Mr Lansdown. Other clubs have shown that there are no lack of buyers of English football clubs. It is simply not true. Someone will replace him, one day they will. But to hear the moaning and complaints of fans, almost held under their breath these days, not transferred to a protest at games has been one of the most shocking aspects of this sorry charade. Our fans have lost their voice, and are now happy to be treated as fools and abject failure as if it is better than nothing. Sometimes you deserbve what you get, and at the moment that is true of BCFC fans. No longer is there a bite no longer is the passion there. We are as limp as a Lee Johnson press conference. It is time we got our voice back. The numbers who write on here are small compared to the fans at games, so you can understand why such forums are regarded as minority groups. If indeed people here are the minority, then forget all of this, and be happy for product that is offered. I rather think it is quite the opposite though, and the vast majority are arriving at the same conclusion. 

So stop worrying about lee Johnson, he is the least of your worries, the problem is at the top. Hero to zero and time he sold out.

Long but on the button imo :chant6ez:

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1 hour ago, Psychopomp said:

It has taken a long time, and it is with sadness and a little bit of regret that this season the reasons for the continued failure at Bristol City has brought the focus to one man.

Lee Johnson ? No, absolutely not, he is the pawn in what was clearly a pre arranged plan to allow Mr Lansdown to finally get his way.

On any footballing level, Lee J should never have been appointed, and since then, all of the reason for not appointing him, have become clear and evident in the most brutal way. He has not got a clue what he is doing. Any other club would have fired him, and not one club in the Championship would have a coach trio of Johnson, Mcallister and Holden. None.

So why have we got this situation ? Why have we got a blatantly incompetent coach, with the worst losing record in our history with the greatest transfer budget ever and 19 new players still sat smugly in a job?

The answer lies with the owner. From his interviews he has always wanted to be close, go into the changing rooms, be involved , and be part of the system. As well he might, as he would argue, having thrown  millions at the club. He has alledgedly wanted compliant managers and wanted people do do his thing. But the appointment of LJ has taken this to new levels. He himself talks of debriefing with the manager after games and offering advice.

Is the only reason LJ is in a job is because it allows Mr Lansdown to play out some middle aged fantasy of being a football manager. It's not new is it ? How many owners have done it, played at it ? Numerous. They cannot help themselves. The passion and desire takes over, and they feel they know better and can do better. Numerous people have left BCFC, but few talk, you don’t want to ruin your name in the game, or you are bound by a confidentiality order with your pay off. Mr Lansdown said the one thing he dislikes about football compared to business is confidentiality. Of course, because he wants to carry on with his game and he does not want the fans of the club to know about it.

There have been a few occasions over the last months when people have given accounts of what is going on at AG, but unless you hear that first hand you are reluctant to put it out and it needs to go on record. It goes beyond gossip though, goes beyond tittle tattle and forum chat , it is serious, and whilst we battle relegation, it is hardly supportive to put out anything that could be described as destabilising, not least when you know Mr Ashton will try and use legal means to stop it ( as he did at Watford). But it is the sort of thing that would interest newspapers, the media, not just fans, because what has been happening at BCFC is a form scandal. Not a financial one, not illegal, no one is going to prison, but before fans keep thinking that Mr Lansdown is the savour of this club, you should think about other clubs that have survived worse and start to consider than instead of the saviour, Mr Lansdown is in fact the problem. 

There is no footballing or business reason Lee Johnson is in a job, not one club in England would still employ him, and now, probably few others ever will. So you have to ask why Mr Lansdown has behaved so irrationally, never explained any footballing reason, or logic for his choice. He cannot, because he is unable to admit, it is he who wants Lee Johnson as manager so he can continue his personal game. There is good reason why BCFC cannot employ top managers, it is because of the way the club is run. There is one common factor.

Amongst all this, fans have now become conditioned to thinking that the only person in the world that will support BCFC is Mr Lansdown. Other clubs have shown that there are no lack of buyers of English football clubs. It is simply not true. Someone will replace him, one day they will. But to hear the moaning and complaints of fans, almost held under their breath these days, not transferred to a protest at games has been one of the most shocking aspects of this sorry charade. Our fans have lost their voice, and are now happy to be treated as fools and abject failure as if it is better than nothing. Sometimes you deserbve what you get, and at the moment that is true of BCFC fans. No longer is there a bite no longer is the passion there. We are as limp as a Lee Johnson press conference. It is time we got our voice back. The numbers who write on here are small compared to the fans at games, so you can understand why such forums are regarded as minority groups. If indeed people here are the minority, then forget all of this, and be happy for product that is offered. I rather think it is quite the opposite though, and the vast majority are arriving at the same conclusion. 

So stop worrying about lee Johnson, he is the least of your worries, the problem is at the top. Hero to zero and time he sold out.

What an excellent post. The words "compliant managers" hits the nail squarely on the head! Wake up to what is happening. SL has positioned his senior management exactly where he wants them so that he can advise/dictate (call it what you want) from afar. Which he was struggling with in SC's time, because for all his faults, he did stand up to them.

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8 minutes ago, Yozzarian said:

I'm beginning to fear there is a lot of truth in this post.

No reason to fear, face up to whats there, ignoring things and pretending everything is fine merely puts off the day of reckoning.

LJ/MA and Sl will get there day of reckoning one day sooner (HOPEFULLY)  or later; all of them are just passing through OUR CLUB.

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Just now, glos old boy said:

No reason to fear, face up to whats there, ignoring things and pretending everything is fine merely puts off the day of reckoning.

LJ/MA and Sl will get there day of reckoning one day sooner (HOPEFULLY)  or later; all of them are just passing through OUR CLUB.

Ah well, this was just a turn of phrase as I'm sure you know. You're not wrong.

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55 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

Fish - and other dead animals - rot from the guts up.

Sorry. Wish I wasn't such a pedant. :shutup:

Quite true ,in the absence of defence In the body  the bacteria in the gut start to eat away at the cells all around and which in turn creates gas which inflates the cadavre , sometimes creating The famous ' death rattle ' as the Gas escapes via the mouth or the anus .

This is nature's way of recycling.

 

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1 minute ago, ashton_fan said:

If LJ keeps his job for the next 6 games he will be the first City manager to last a whole season since his Dad was in charge

If we lose 6-0 on Sat it will make no difference the die is cast, such a terrible season for us given the money squandered by LJ and his inability to manage, but will not deflect SL from his Bristol All Sports Dream he will certainly not change things now; some fans still fall for the waffle when on the rare times we win, then the suits vanish having completed their tasks.

If everyone got up and walked out after 5mins they would just laugh, sad times for this club.

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Just now, Major Isewater said:

Quite true ,in the absence of defence In the body  the bacteria in the gut start to eat away at the cells all around and which in turn creates gas which inflates the cadavre , sometimes creating The famous ' death rattle ' as the Gas escapes via the mouth or the anus .

This is nature's way of recycling.

 

don't mention the gas forgot about them what if we go down and they...............no I wont go there;

hey maybe then they would get invited into the BS fold..... nah too horrible to think of.

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1 hour ago, Psychopomp said:

It has taken a long time, and it is with sadness and a little bit of regret that this season the reasons for the continued failure at Bristol City has brought the focus to one man.

Lee Johnson ? No, absolutely not, he is the pawn in what was clearly a pre arranged plan to allow Mr Lansdown to finally get his way.

On any footballing level, Lee J should never have been appointed, and since then, all of the reason for not appointing him, have become clear and evident in the most brutal way. He has not got a clue what he is doing. Any other club would have fired him, and not one club in the Championship would have a coach trio of Johnson, Mcallister and Holden. None.

So why have we got this situation ? Why have we got a blatantly incompetent coach, with the worst losing record in our history with the greatest transfer budget ever and 19 new players still sat smugly in a job?

The answer lies with the owner. From his interviews he has always wanted to be close, go into the changing rooms, be involved , and be part of the system. As well he might, as he would argue, having thrown  millions at the club. He has alledgedly wanted compliant managers and wanted people do do his thing. But the appointment of LJ has taken this to new levels. He himself talks of debriefing with the manager after games and offering advice.

Is the only reason LJ is in a job is because it allows Mr Lansdown to play out some middle aged fantasy of being a football manager. It's not new is it ? How many owners have done it, played at it ? Numerous. They cannot help themselves. The passion and desire takes over, and they feel they know better and can do better. Numerous people have left BCFC, but few talk, you don’t want to ruin your name in the game, or you are bound by a confidentiality order with your pay off. Mr Lansdown said the one thing he dislikes about football compared to business is confidentiality. Of course, because he wants to carry on with his game and he does not want the fans of the club to know about it.

There have been a few occasions over the last months when people have given accounts of what is going on at AG, but unless you hear that first hand you are reluctant to put it out and it needs to go on record. It goes beyond gossip though, goes beyond tittle tattle and forum chat , it is serious, and whilst we battle relegation, it is hardly supportive to put out anything that could be described as destabilising, not least when you know Mr Ashton will try and use legal means to stop it ( as he did at Watford). But it is the sort of thing that would interest newspapers, the media, not just fans, because what has been happening at BCFC is a form scandal. Not a financial one, not illegal, no one is going to prison, but before fans keep thinking that Mr Lansdown is the savour of this club, you should think about other clubs that have survived worse and start to consider than instead of the saviour, Mr Lansdown is in fact the problem. 

There is no footballing or business reason Lee Johnson is in a job, not one club in England would still employ him, and now, probably few others ever will. So you have to ask why Mr Lansdown has behaved so irrationally, never explained any footballing reason, or logic for his choice. He cannot, because he is unable to admit, it is he who wants Lee Johnson as manager so he can continue his personal game. There is good reason why BCFC cannot employ top managers, it is because of the way the club is run. There is one common factor.

Amongst all this, fans have now become conditioned to thinking that the only person in the world that will support BCFC is Mr Lansdown. Other clubs have shown that there are no lack of buyers of English football clubs. It is simply not true. Someone will replace him, one day they will. But to hear the moaning and complaints of fans, almost held under their breath these days, not transferred to a protest at games has been one of the most shocking aspects of this sorry charade. Our fans have lost their voice, and are now happy to be treated as fools and abject failure as if it is better than nothing. Sometimes you deserbve what you get, and at the moment that is true of BCFC fans. No longer is there a bite no longer is the passion there. We are as limp as a Lee Johnson press conference. It is time we got our voice back. The numbers who write on here are small compared to the fans at games, so you can understand why such forums are regarded as minority groups. If indeed people here are the minority, then forget all of this, and be happy for product that is offered. I rather think it is quite the opposite though, and the vast majority are arriving at the same conclusion. 

So stop worrying about lee Johnson, he is the least of your worries, the problem is at the top. Hero to zero and time he sold out.

Excellent post!  I was saying something similar on here earlier in the season and was even told by a member that what I was saying was libel and that I could be taken to court.  It's good to see that someone else is thinking the same way, for the life of me, I cannot see any other reason why SL is keeping LJ in the job.  This really makes sense and although it will never be proved, it is the most logical way of seeing the whole situation.  Well done I totally agree with every word you have written.

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The answer must be to not attend.

That is a declaration of how fans feel about the way Lansdown is ruining the club.

Makes no difference to the players as they appear to have given up anyway.

Empty seats on national tv will show that ego maniac that he needs to rethink if only to stop him making a ******* fool of himself.

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What I am about to write was told to me by someone who appears to have an ear to various people who are close to the inner sanctums of BCFC. It may be complete fiction, part truth or whole truth. The events and goings on at English professional football clubs are more secretive than royal bedchambers or the upper echelons of a Stalin regime.

A while ago, SL met with someone about managing City to ensure we are not relegated this season. The deal obviously had a lucrative pay off, how much was not disclosed. The anonymous "manager" declined the offer because the payment would not be made until SL has sold his interest in BCFC.

If this is true or a figment of someone's imagination we'll never know. My only comment would be is that when SL did the round of press and TV about six weeks ago, he appeared to me to be not the upfront confident personality we've all seen in the past, but instead a withdrawn, reticent and very wary version who has perhaps had enough of his involvement with City and perhaps even Bristol Rugby.

I personally like the objectives of Bristol Sport as an umbrella organisation to spread the admin and stadium maintenance over two ir more clubs. That will benefit City and Bris more than we realise. But SL's involvement with both clubs playing performances has hardly set the world alight, while other smaller clubs with much less financial clout, regularly outperform us in both codes.

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2 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

Fish - and other dead animals - rot from the guts up.

Sorry. Wish I wasn't such a pedant. :shutup:

fish rots from the head down

a or the fish rots from the head down

Meaning

  • It refers to failing organizations and how the blame of it should be on its ‘head’ that is its leadership.
  • It does not talk about the biology of the fishes and should not be used as a literal meaning. This is because an actual fish starts to rot from its guts and not head according to piscine biology.
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7 minutes ago, Psychopomp said:

fish rots from the head down

a or the fish rots from the head down

Meaning

  • It refers to failing organizations and how the blame of it should be on its ‘head’ that is its leadership.
  • It does not talk about the biology of the fishes and should not be used as a literal meaning. This is because an actual fish starts to rot from its guts and not head according to piscine biology.

Phew, I'm glad you explained that. I'd not have picked up the meaning from your post. ;)

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Brilliant post and completely on the money.

Our owner has absolutely no ability to delegate or to employ people with a proven track record and then simply let them get on with it. No wonder he sacked Cotterill much quicker than this (though even with far less resources he never came close to approaching a losing run like this season's).

When you add in always having to ensure that your son has some made up "non job" as part of the package, then we could probably merge three of the main threads on here all at once, because this is clearly what Angus Scott is referring to and also explains why we never, ever get to the "LJ has 1,2,3 games left to save his job" scenario..

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3 hours ago, Psychopomp said:

It has taken a long time, and it is with sadness and a little bit of regret that this season the reasons for the continued failure at Bristol City has brought the focus to one man.

Lee Johnson ? No, absolutely not, he is the pawn in what was clearly a pre arranged plan to allow Mr Lansdown to finally get his way.

On any footballing level, Lee J should never have been appointed, and since then, all of the reason for not appointing him, have become clear and evident in the most brutal way. He has not got a clue what he is doing. Any other club would have fired him, and not one club in the Championship would have a coach trio of Johnson, Mcallister and Holden. None.

So why have we got this situation ? Why have we got a blatantly incompetent coach, with the worst losing record in our history with the greatest transfer budget ever and 19 new players still sat smugly in a job?

The answer lies with the owner. From his interviews he has always wanted to be close, go into the changing rooms, be involved , and be part of the system. As well he might, as he would argue, having thrown  millions at the club. He has alledgedly wanted compliant managers and wanted people do do his thing. But the appointment of LJ has taken this to new levels. He himself talks of debriefing with the manager after games and offering advice.

Is the only reason LJ is in a job is because it allows Mr Lansdown to play out some middle aged fantasy of being a football manager. It's not new is it ? How many owners have done it, played at it ? Numerous. They cannot help themselves. The passion and desire takes over, and they feel they know better and can do better. Numerous people have left BCFC, but few talk, you don’t want to ruin your name in the game, or you are bound by a confidentiality order with your pay off. Mr Lansdown said the one thing he dislikes about football compared to business is confidentiality. Of course, because he wants to carry on with his game and he does not want the fans of the club to know about it.

There have been a few occasions over the last months when people have given accounts of what is going on at AG, but unless you hear that first hand you are reluctant to put it out and it needs to go on record. It goes beyond gossip though, goes beyond tittle tattle and forum chat , it is serious, and whilst we battle relegation, it is hardly supportive to put out anything that could be described as destabilising, not least when you know Mr Ashton will try and use legal means to stop it ( as he did at Watford). But it is the sort of thing that would interest newspapers, the media, not just fans, because what has been happening at BCFC is a form scandal. Not a financial one, not illegal, no one is going to prison, but before fans keep thinking that Mr Lansdown is the savour of this club, you should think about other clubs that have survived worse and start to consider than instead of the saviour, Mr Lansdown is in fact the problem. 

There is no footballing or business reason Lee Johnson is in a job, not one club in England would still employ him, and now, probably few others ever will. So you have to ask why Mr Lansdown has behaved so irrationally, never explained any footballing reason, or logic for his choice. He cannot, because he is unable to admit, it is he who wants Lee Johnson as manager so he can continue his personal game. There is good reason why BCFC cannot employ top managers, it is because of the way the club is run. There is one common factor.

Amongst all this, fans have now become conditioned to thinking that the only person in the world that will support BCFC is Mr Lansdown. Other clubs have shown that there are no lack of buyers of English football clubs. It is simply not true. Someone will replace him, one day they will. But to hear the moaning and complaints of fans, almost held under their breath these days, not transferred to a protest at games has been one of the most shocking aspects of this sorry charade. Our fans have lost their voice, and are now happy to be treated as fools and abject failure as if it is better than nothing. Sometimes you deserbve what you get, and at the moment that is true of BCFC fans. No longer is there a bite no longer is the passion there. We are as limp as a Lee Johnson press conference. It is time we got our voice back. The numbers who write on here are small compared to the fans at games, so you can understand why such forums are regarded as minority groups. If indeed people here are the minority, then forget all of this, and be happy for product that is offered. I rather think it is quite the opposite though, and the vast majority are arriving at the same conclusion. 

So stop worrying about lee Johnson, he is the least of your worries, the problem is at the top. Hero to zero and time he sold out.

The madness of King Steve.

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3 hours ago, Psychopomp said:

It has taken a long time, and it is with sadness and a little bit of regret that this season the reasons for the continued failure at Bristol City has brought the focus to one man.

Lee Johnson ? No, absolutely not, he is the pawn in what was clearly a pre arranged plan to allow Mr Lansdown to finally get his way.

On any footballing level, Lee J should never have been appointed, and since then, all of the reason for not appointing him, have become clear and evident in the most brutal way. He has not got a clue what he is doing. Any other club would have fired him, and not one club in the Championship would have a coach trio of Johnson, Mcallister and Holden. None.

So why have we got this situation ? Why have we got a blatantly incompetent coach, with the worst losing record in our history with the greatest transfer budget ever and 19 new players still sat smugly in a job?

The answer lies with the owner. From his interviews he has always wanted to be close, go into the changing rooms, be involved , and be part of the system. As well he might, as he would argue, having thrown  millions at the club. He has alledgedly wanted compliant managers and wanted people do do his thing. But the appointment of LJ has taken this to new levels. He himself talks of debriefing with the manager after games and offering advice.

Is the only reason LJ is in a job is because it allows Mr Lansdown to play out some middle aged fantasy of being a football manager. It's not new is it ? How many owners have done it, played at it ? Numerous. They cannot help themselves. The passion and desire takes over, and they feel they know better and can do better. Numerous people have left BCFC, but few talk, you don’t want to ruin your name in the game, or you are bound by a confidentiality order with your pay off. Mr Lansdown said the one thing he dislikes about football compared to business is confidentiality. Of course, because he wants to carry on with his game and he does not want the fans of the club to know about it.

There have been a few occasions over the last months when people have given accounts of what is going on at AG, but unless you hear that first hand you are reluctant to put it out and it needs to go on record. It goes beyond gossip though, goes beyond tittle tattle and forum chat , it is serious, and whilst we battle relegation, it is hardly supportive to put out anything that could be described as destabilising, not least when you know Mr Ashton will try and use legal means to stop it ( as he did at Watford). But it is the sort of thing that would interest newspapers, the media, not just fans, because what has been happening at BCFC is a form scandal. Not a financial one, not illegal, no one is going to prison, but before fans keep thinking that Mr Lansdown is the savour of this club, you should think about other clubs that have survived worse and start to consider than instead of the saviour, Mr Lansdown is in fact the problem. 

There is no footballing or business reason Lee Johnson is in a job, not one club in England would still employ him, and now, probably few others ever will. So you have to ask why Mr Lansdown has behaved so irrationally, never explained any footballing reason, or logic for his choice. He cannot, because he is unable to admit, it is he who wants Lee Johnson as manager so he can continue his personal game. There is good reason why BCFC cannot employ top managers, it is because of the way the club is run. There is one common factor.

Amongst all this, fans have now become conditioned to thinking that the only person in the world that will support BCFC is Mr Lansdown. Other clubs have shown that there are no lack of buyers of English football clubs. It is simply not true. Someone will replace him, one day they will. But to hear the moaning and complaints of fans, almost held under their breath these days, not transferred to a protest at games has been one of the most shocking aspects of this sorry charade. Our fans have lost their voice, and are now happy to be treated as fools and abject failure as if it is better than nothing. Sometimes you deserbve what you get, and at the moment that is true of BCFC fans. No longer is there a bite no longer is the passion there. We are as limp as a Lee Johnson press conference. It is time we got our voice back. The numbers who write on here are small compared to the fans at games, so you can understand why such forums are regarded as minority groups. If indeed people here are the minority, then forget all of this, and be happy for product that is offered. I rather think it is quite the opposite though, and the vast majority are arriving at the same conclusion. 

So stop worrying about lee Johnson, he is the least of your worries, the problem is at the top. Hero to zero and time he sold out.

Post of the season....every week passes I dislike the man more.hate what he is doing to our club.sickening..

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100% agree with the op, and have been feeling this for a while.

I actually don't mind if the owner has regular meetings with the manager, goes in changing rooms etc, if they like him.

But this season has gone way beyond too far. Its hurt the football club badly. Its at the point of complete selfishness, and not giving a toss about the club or its fans. And its the fans that suffer.

All the while they expect us to cough up for season tickets, splurge money on food and drinks and merchandise and other shite, all the while showing complete contempt for us. They can shove it up their arse.

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4 hours ago, Psychopomp said:

It has taken a long time, and it is with sadness and a little bit of regret that this season the reasons for the continued failure at Bristol City has brought the focus to one man.

Lee Johnson ? No, absolutely not, he is the pawn in what was clearly a pre arranged plan to allow Mr Lansdown to finally get his way.

On any footballing level, Lee J should never have been appointed, and since then, all of the reason for not appointing him, have become clear and evident in the most brutal way. He has not got a clue what he is doing. Any other club would have fired him, and not one club in the Championship would have a coach trio of Johnson, Mcallister and Holden. None.

So why have we got this situation ? Why have we got a blatantly incompetent coach, with the worst losing record in our history with the greatest transfer budget ever and 19 new players still sat smugly in a job?

The answer lies with the owner. From his interviews he has always wanted to be close, go into the changing rooms, be involved , and be part of the system. As well he might, as he would argue, having thrown  millions at the club. He has alledgedly wanted compliant managers and wanted people do do his thing. But the appointment of LJ has taken this to new levels. He himself talks of debriefing with the manager after games and offering advice.

Is the only reason LJ is in a job is because it allows Mr Lansdown to play out some middle aged fantasy of being a football manager. It's not new is it ? How many owners have done it, played at it ? Numerous. They cannot help themselves. The passion and desire takes over, and they feel they know better and can do better. Numerous people have left BCFC, but few talk, you don’t want to ruin your name in the game, or you are bound by a confidentiality order with your pay off. Mr Lansdown said the one thing he dislikes about football compared to business is confidentiality. Of course, because he wants to carry on with his game and he does not want the fans of the club to know about it.

There have been a few occasions over the last months when people have given accounts of what is going on at AG, but unless you hear that first hand you are reluctant to put it out and it needs to go on record. It goes beyond gossip though, goes beyond tittle tattle and forum chat , it is serious, and whilst we battle relegation, it is hardly supportive to put out anything that could be described as destabilising, not least when you know Mr Ashton will try and use legal means to stop it ( as he did at Watford). But it is the sort of thing that would interest newspapers, the media, not just fans, because what has been happening at BCFC is a form scandal. Not a financial one, not illegal, no one is going to prison, but before fans keep thinking that Mr Lansdown is the savour of this club, you should think about other clubs that have survived worse and start to consider than instead of the saviour, Mr Lansdown is in fact the problem. 

There is no footballing or business reason Lee Johnson is in a job, not one club in England would still employ him, and now, probably few others ever will. So you have to ask why Mr Lansdown has behaved so irrationally, never explained any footballing reason, or logic for his choice. He cannot, because he is unable to admit, it is he who wants Lee Johnson as manager so he can continue his personal game. There is good reason why BCFC cannot employ top managers, it is because of the way the club is run. There is one common factor.

Amongst all this, fans have now become conditioned to thinking that the only person in the world that will support BCFC is Mr Lansdown. Other clubs have shown that there are no lack of buyers of English football clubs. It is simply not true. Someone will replace him, one day they will. But to hear the moaning and complaints of fans, almost held under their breath these days, not transferred to a protest at games has been one of the most shocking aspects of this sorry charade. Our fans have lost their voice, and are now happy to be treated as fools and abject failure as if it is better than nothing. Sometimes you deserbve what you get, and at the moment that is true of BCFC fans. No longer is there a bite no longer is the passion there. We are as limp as a Lee Johnson press conference. It is time we got our voice back. The numbers who write on here are small compared to the fans at games, so you can understand why such forums are regarded as minority groups. If indeed people here are the minority, then forget all of this, and be happy for product that is offered. I rather think it is quite the opposite though, and the vast majority are arriving at the same conclusion. 

So stop worrying about lee Johnson, he is the least of your worries, the problem is at the top. Hero to zero and time he sold out.

Read this four times now - absolutely brilliant post and well constructed & written

One of the best posts I've ever read 

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I think you are so so close , if not right on top of , the truth

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