are people really boycotting because of LJ?!!

[Unan]

1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Do you think it's ok to use such hatred language toward somebody (I assume) you don't know?

I know it's off topic, but oh well.

Not everybody has an unwarranted hate towards other on a forum where not many people actually know a lot about eachother on a personal level. In fact, most don't.

I'd normally agree but Robbored

[Bat Fastard]

1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I think what all the happy-clappers are basically saying is we should all just "pay, pray and obey!"

Thou shall not criticise oh great leader Lansdown of Guernsey. He has done no wrong and he can do no wrong in the eyes of some.

2,500 renewals down on last season's total tells you everything you need to know about our loyal supporters views on the owner and his decision to keep LJ at the club for next season.

That is a trifle insulting to us "happy clappers" who do have views and concerns but wouldn't let these get in the way of watching our football team because for some of us it is one of the most important elements in life.

Its fine to criticise with respect for the man who has single handedly established a wonderful platform for our club to advance. Great stadium, training ground, young squad building for the future and debt exchanged for equity.  If you cannot see the benefit in that you must be a socialist!

Our last two crowds have been 20k+ and the deadline to renew in the same seat is two days hence - I predict that there will be more renewals, which is strange because they will pay a higher price than if they had renewed earlier.  Our current form is pretty good, so those who are boycotting games are missing out on some great entertainment, which seems a trifle strange after they have endured the period of poor results. Hey ho!

[JoeAman08]

2 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Are you saying we've never been out of the championship?! I'm pretty sure you must know we have, loads of times!

Then again I may have mis-read your post because people say 'league' when they mean 'division' quite a lot...

But reading your post it certainly seems like you think we've never been out of the championship?!

No I know we've been out of the championship. I use League and division as the same word but I concede it is confusing for many as you use them differently than I do. 

[JoeAman08]

1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I think what all the happy-clappers are basically saying is we should all just "pay, pray and obey!"

Thou shall not criticise oh great leader Lansdown of Guernsey. He has done no wrong and he can do no wrong in the eyes of some.

2,500 renewals down on last season's total tells you everything you need to know about our loyal supporters views on the owner and his decision to keep LJ at the club for next season.

You can do what you like. Criticise SL but I don't get the point of it. You either enjoy going and supporting the boys and the badge or you don't. Anything else is over complicating things. We are customers that's why we pay money to go. If you don't like the direction of the club don't watch. It's simple really. It's like criticising the director of a film you've seen because he cast someone you didn't see fit for the role. 

[JoeAman08]

Maybe I'm misinterpreting everyone's posts but they just seem petty to me. There was none of this talk in early October when we were top 6. All the talk about money we spent and our head coach and our academy set up was positive. Everything has now come into question purely based on some bad results on the pitch. It's an extremely competitive league and we got caught out by it. No team bar Rotherham is a bad one. I get criticism but to not go because we kept a manager, again seems petty to me. 

[Mtimmy11]

Just now, JoeAman08 said:

Maybe I'm misinterpreting everyone's posts but they just seem petty to me. There was none of this talk in early October when we were top 6. All the talk about money we spent and our head coach and our academy set up was positive. Everything has now come into question purely based on some bad results on the pitch. It's an extremely competitive league and we got caught out by it. No team bar Rotherham is a bad one. I get criticism but to not go because we kept a manager, again seems petty to me. 

that was 6months ago .why did he get caught out thats what hes paid for

[Red-Robbo]

I don't see the rows of empty seats that were present during SOD's amble towards L2.  As has been noted, we had healthy crowds at the last two home games and a very decent contingent made it all the way up in Blackburn.

I guess next season will be the clincher. There are a fair few not renewing STs - nowhere near a majority, but probably enough to be noticeable. IF by some chance, Johnson manages to get us off to a reasonable start, the POTDs will plug the gaps.

Success = seat sales, even if many don't like the manager or the owner.

[Nogbad the Bad]

13 hours ago, hoxton casual said:

To my recollection we have had only one truly impressive manager through our club and that was Tony Pulis. At the time I hated the guy and what he was doing to "my club". Now I have to admit he had what it took to manage football clubs without oodles of cash. He was extremely pragmatic and did whatever was necessary to get results and hang the popularity. So in short what do I know about managing professional football clubs. All I can do is suppor the team I love through thick and thin- painful as that often is with our history

You were right at the time, and the reasonable success Pulis has had elsewhere doesn't have any bearing on how awful he was at AG.

Impressive City managers are the likes of Dicks, JJ first time, and particularly Terry Cooper.

I'd say Pulis was singularly unimpressive at AG, but then you've also got the mumbling SO'D and the overly self aggrandised LJ.

I think most City fans can spot an unimpressive over trumpeted manager when they see one and LJ is most definitely in that category.

He'll be given extra time, extra support and extra funds because, despite being no more than an average L1 coach at best,we all know the owner is determined he WILL succeed. 

None of that will be enough in the end to hide his deficiencies though, and everything points to his tenure continuing to be a torturous fiasco ending in failure despite such unprecedented unwavering support from above.

[hoxton casual]

3 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

You were right at the time, and the reasonable success Pulis has had elsewhere doesn't have any bearing on how awful his was at AG.

Impressive City managers are the likes of Dicks, JJ first time, and particularly Terry Cooper.

I'd say Pulis was singularly unimpressive at AG, but then you've also got the mumbling SO'D and the overly self aggrandised LJ.

I think most City fans can spot an unimpressive over trumpeted manager when they see one and LJ is most definitely in that category.

He'll be given extra time, extra support and extra funds because, despite being no more than an average L1 coach at best,we all know the owner is determined he WILL succeed. 

None of that will be enough in the end to hide his deficiencies though, and everything points to his tenure continuing to be a torturous fiasco ending in failure despite such unprecedented unwavering support from above.

Maybe once we have survived which is the priority, SL will look at again at who will best use his investment in our club?

[Odysseus]

14 hours ago, Tammys Scan said:Like fools, like a wallet, literally called customers. Our owner specifically calling us 'us' and him 'him', no we. Corporate bullshit left, right and centre. Dozens of lies from all levels of the club that've been contradicted in other interviews. 

I'm out getting boozy at the moment but I could carry on with a bit of thought.

As no one has asked yet I would like you to list the actual grienvicnes you're talking about? I'm worried you will be picking over semantics and not the real corruption we see at all the ex-prem clubs you want to Emulate.

Because the thing is no one really digs up the posing record of most people on here. Don't get me wrong, it's in your credit that you have 1000 or so posts to your profile as apposed to me, but how many people here can say their predications have been even mediocre?

Johnson didn't take us down this season and looks like he won't this season. That's already about 90% of posters wrong. The endless list of terrible replacements, team selection, the inconsistencies in the type of manager we want. 

Last of all of you've regularly referred to Johnson as a 'poisoned dwarf' or likewise abuse that is also something to be reflected on. 

[Natchfever]

14 hours ago, richwwtk said:

How exactly have WE been treated?

Board keep faith and support a manager through a sticky patch, and all of a sudden the entire club is the antichrist?

As he said, each to his own. That's ok I presume?

[BS4 on Tour...]

1 hour ago, JoeAman08 said:

No I know we've been out of the championship. I use League and division as the same word but I concede it is confusing for many as you use them differently than I do. 

Oh ok, so are you saying we should be grateful that we haven't been relegated into non-league? 

[lgbbcf]

there seems to be a lot of talk on here about not going to games and not renewing season tickets, of which i am sure people are. 

but the figures speak for themselves, we have had over 20,000 in the last two games we had over 3000 attend Blackburn and season tickets are being renewed with peoples seats being taken before they get to renew. 

im sure there are people boycotting but the stadium and figures don't seem to correlate with how many people on here are boycotting!  

 

 

[Kid in the Riot]

1 hour ago, JoeAman08 said:

You can do what you like. Criticise SL but I don't get the point of it. You either enjoy going and supporting the boys and the badge or you don't. Anything else is over complicating things. We are customers that's why we pay money to go. If you don't like the direction of the club don't watch. It's simple really. It's like criticising the director of a film you've seen because he cast someone you didn't see fit for the role. 

That's exactly what I'm doing, Joe.

It's easy after a couple of wins for people to jump on those who have chosen to withdraw support as a principled stance against a pig-headed owner who is determined to persist with providing a job for his friend without a care for jeopardising the club's Championship status. Things can, and will turn again very quickly.

[BS4 on Tour...]

Just now, lgbbcf said:

there seems to be a lot of talk on here about not going to games and not renewing season tickets, of which i am sure people are. 

but the figures speak for themselves, we have had over 20,000 in the last two games we had over 3000 attend Blackburn and season tickets are being renewed with peoples seats being taken before they get to renew. 

im sure there are people boycotting but the stadium and figures don't seem to correlate with how many people on here are boycotting!  

 

 

Blimey, I know the gas round figures up, but how did you make 1,311 turn into 'over 3,000' ??!!!!

[Natchfever]

11 hours ago, john from high littleton said:

And yet people come on here and spout the same old crap every week. And read the same old rubbish.

The attention seekers should just boycott and be done with it. But no,  they feel they have to tell the world they're problems and sufferings. 

Anyone who's been a supporter of this club long enough,  knows we've had it far worse in the past. So I can only assume the attention seekers on here are either very young or immature adults! 

I would suggest some of the attention seeking is from posters putting up posts or comments which encourage a response that is negative.

Takes two to tango. Alternative is the ignore button, which if adopted across the board would make for some pretty boring threads!

[Nogbad the Bad]

3 minutes ago, lgbbcf said:

there seems to be a lot of talk on here about not going to games and not renewing season tickets, of which i am sure people are. 

but the figures speak for themselves, we have had over 20,000 in the last two games we had over 3000 attend Blackburn and season tickets are being renewed with peoples seats being taken before they get to renew. 

im sure there are people boycotting but the stadium and figures don't seem to correlate with how many people on here are boycotting!  

 

 

You must be one of the last to realise/accept that the announced 'official attendance' figure does not take into account any non attending STH's.

That is the same for every match these days whether some fans are protesting or not.

If 2,000 fans were protesting by staying away the announced figure would be exactly the same as if they were there.

So, the figures do not, in this case speak for themselves.

[Natchfever]

1 hour ago, JoeAman08 said:

You can do what you like. Criticise SL but I don't get the point of it. You either enjoy going and supporting the boys and the badge or you don't. Anything else is over complicating things. We are customers that's why we pay money to go. If you don't like the direction of the club don't watch. It's simple really. It's like criticising the director of a film you've seen because he cast someone you didn't see fit for the role. 

Umm. Yeah so why the criticism earlier about people who are choosing to do exactly that?

[Robbored]

1 hour ago, Tammys Scan said:

I'd normally agree but Robbored

Because you don't agree with my posts..........dear oh dear.......

That sad, really sad.

 

[Unan]

17 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Because you don't agree with my posts..........dear oh dear.......

That sad, really sad.

 

No, because everything you do, not the facts of your posts.

[Unan]

59 minutes ago, Odysseus said:

As no one has asked yet I would like you to list the actual grienvicnes you're talking about? I'm worried you will be picking over semantics and not the real corruption we see at all the ex-prem clubs you want to Emulate.

Because the thing is no one really digs up the posing record of most people on here. Don't get me wrong, it's in your credit that you have 1000 or so posts to your profile as apposed to me, but how many people here can say their predications have been even mediocre?

Johnson didn't take us down this season and looks like he won't this season. That's already about 90% of posters wrong. The endless list of terrible replacements, team selection, the inconsistencies in the type of manager we want. 

Last of all of you've regularly referred to Johnson as a 'poisoned dwarf' or likewise abuse that is also something to be reflected on. 

I'll do a list after work mate,

I've never called LJ abusive names either..

[Robbored]

7 minutes ago, Tammys Scan said:

No, because everything you do, not the facts of your posts.

Oh.......must be because I play bowls then.

[ChippenhamRed]

34 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

You must be one of the last to realise/accept that the announced 'official attendance' figure does not take into account any non attending STH's.

That is the same for every match these days whether some fans are protesting or not.

If 2,000 fans were protesting by staying away the announced figure would be exactly the same as if they were there.

So, the figures do not, in this case speak for themselves.

If 2,000 fans were protesting (a wildly excessive estimate in my opinion), then the attendance would still be over 18,000 - well in excess of our historical average over the last 20 years, despite the team struggling at the wrong end of the table.

I don't get the desperation to talk down our attendances this season.  Regardless of our problems on the pitch, off the pitch there are a number of success stories and our increasing average attendance is one of them.  Why pretend otherwise?

[richwwtk]

54 minutes ago, Loon plage said:

As he said, each to his own. That's ok I presume?

I merely asked him how WE had been treated.

[ChippenhamRed]

4 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I think what all the happy-clappers are basically saying is we should all just "pay, pray and obey!"

Thou shall not criticise oh great leader Lansdown of Guernsey. He has done no wrong and he can do no wrong in the eyes of some.

2,500 renewals down on last season's total tells you everything you need to know about our loyal supporters views on the owner and his decision to keep LJ at the club for next season.

2,500 renewals down tells me that we haven't yet secured our Championship status and it's a long way to go until August.  Two equally influential factors that you negate to mention.

[Kid in the Riot]

36 minutes ago, cynic said:

I'm not sure about 3k at Blackburn but otherwise I agree 100% with what you say.

As you point out, there will be some "boycotting" games - but they will amount to around the same number as attended all those mass demonstrations in the ground... 

20k plus crowds is proof positive that the vast majority of supporters are actually supporting the club rather than the opposite. Some don't want to hear it and will hide behind myth and bluster, but thats the truth. This forum is not representative of the fan base - nowhere near it.

It's only not representative when it doesn't suit your argument.  Strikes me there's a good balance of supporters on here...young and old, ST holders and non-ST holders, exiles and locals etc.

16 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

2,500 renewals down tells me that we haven't yet secured our Championship status and it's a long way to go until August.  Two equally influential factors that you negate to mention.

Equally influential in your opinion. Speaking personally I will not renew no matter what division we are in, regrettably. 2,500 down should be cause for concern for Bristol Sport. I can't see us improving on last seasons total, in fact I see us falling well short. That's not good is it? And suggests there's a fair few fed up fans out there...

[ChippenhamRed]

3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

It's only not representative when it doesn't suit your argument.  Strikes me there's a good balance of supporters on here...young and old, ST holders and non-ST holders, exiles and locals etc.

Equally influential in your opinion. Speaking personally I will not renew no matter what division we are in, regrettably. 2,500 down should be cause for concern for Bristol Sport. I can't see us improving on last seasons total, in fact I see us falling well short. That's not good is it? And suggests there's a fair few fed up fans out there...

Whether it's equally influential or not, it still misrepresents the situation to blame the figure entirely on "supporters views on SL and his decision to keep LJ". There are other factors.

[hoxton casual]

5 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

It's only not representative when it doesn't suit your argument.  Strikes me there's a good balance of supporters on here...young and old, ST holders and non-ST holders, exiles and locals etc.

Equally influential in your opinion. Speaking personally I will not renew no matter what division we are in, regrettably. 2,500 down should be cause for concern for Bristol Sport. I can't see us improving on last seasons total, in fact I see us falling well short. That's not good is it? And suggests there's a fair few fed up fans out there...

Hope that one day the situation improves so that you are back at AG as a ST holder, Kid in the Riot. COYR!

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Bat Fastard said:

The point is old boy, that if the club needs a speedy £10m for some reason, the board cannot stump up that kind of cash - so they have to make a case to SL. Like any banker, he can look at the case and inverst or not. In case you haven't noticed, he always seems to say yes - and this has been remarked upon by virtually every manager that I can think of in recent times. We are very lucky to have him and his knowledge and influence.

You mean if LJ needs more money to buy in even more players, not play them and/or loan them out, or if we need a few more suits to add even more management to SL`s empire? NO because the board would be concerned about the running of our club and kick those out that aren't doing what they are paid for.

What can our board actually do without running it past SL anyway? hire stewards?

[JoeAman08]

2 hours ago, Mtimmy11 said:

that was 6months ago .why did he get caught out thats what hes paid for

I'll never argue he should've stayed. He could've went and I would've said good choice but he hasn't and I don't see how it's productive to boycott when he's clearly going nowhere. That's my only point I am trying to make.