City37 Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 25 minutes ago, Jack Dawe said: He is hugely insecure, painfully so. Just as water will find level ground, so will Lee Tomlin find something, anything, to upset himself, and so mess things up and not realise his potential. Johnson thought he could "manage" Tomlin, and almost wrecked this season with his hubris. Huge mis-judgment, close shave, big lesson learned, got to be stronger for this though (both LJ and so us). Absolutely spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ploppy Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 25 minutes ago, Garland-sweden said: Tomlin, our best player. At the moment the team works better without him. Want him to stay, but he is not in the starting eleven. We will see how it ends. Is he our best player though? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityCiderEd Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 Didn't realise we had so many psychiatrists,sports psychologists , behaviour analysts and ex pros on the forum. Pity all the opinions about LT weren't mentioned last season when he was one of the best I've seen at AG. He's not been great at times this year but players that are being praised now we're also being slated and deemed not good enough when we were on the horror run. How things change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoc Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Major Isewater said: He'd be a hero in China, Turkey or The States. Amazing The turn around since this time last year when people were willing to sacrifice their eldest sons just to get him signed . Completely true major. Now I'd accept Lee Tomlin staying if it meant I could sacrifice my eldest son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfieldred Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 2 hours ago, BigTone said: On his day there is no doubting Tomlins a class act. He needs the right manager to play him to his strengths. Simply we do not have that manager ridiculous statement. Must be fishing. Johnson had been manager since he arrived! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron-Bcfc Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 11 minutes ago, CityCiderEd said: Didn't realise we had so many psychiatrists,sports psychologists , behaviour analysts and ex pros on the forum. Pity all the opinions about LT weren't mentioned last season when he was one of the best I've seen at AG. He's not been great at times this year but players that are being praised now we're also being slated and deemed not good enough when we were on the horror run. How things change. Funny isn't it. Many on here a few weeks/months back would've had you believe that Aden Flint is a massive liability and the reason for us losing games. Despite being far and away our best defender throughout the entire campaign... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Septic Peg Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 I have to agree. When he is switched on, he's a force to be reckoned with and makes other teams quiver with his skill. Only issue really is how he fits. A standard 4-4-2 doesn't fit him. So unless LJ starts to train him as an out and out striker, playing 2 up top, I think he will be on loan elsewhere next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfieldred Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 Just now, Aaron-Bcfc said: Funny isn't it. Many on here a few weeks/months back would've had you believe that Aden Flint is a massive liability and the reason for us losing games. Despite being far and away our best defender throughout the entire campaign... The amount of flip flopping and u turns on here would embarrass Teresa May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tin Soldier Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 No one person is bigger than "the team". LT will probably be gone this summer, but not sure who will have him? A great player on his day but a manager's nightmare to manage for LJ. His discipline on the pitch also comes under question in my book. I have seen him booked several times for needless backchat etc. He might find another Champ team to take him. Mick Mcartney at Ipswich could probably sort him out but what a gamble for any manager. The City team spirit is visible for all to see since he was dropped, no arguement there. And I love seeing that. "All in it together lads". Feeling positive about next season, dependent on the Tammy/Flinty factor. I just got the feeling he was trying to make it the LT show at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 1 hour ago, View from the Dolman said: I guess Bournemouth don't have that right manager either. Maybe not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 50 minutes ago, redfieldred said: Os statement. Must be fishing. John son had been manager since he arrived! Fishing for what exactly ? Please elaborste on your bizarre comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider red Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 On showing this season, Tomlin is a slow overweight Jamie Patterson, I'd move him on in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityCiderEd Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 58 minutes ago, ploppy said: Is he our best player though? Really? Based on pure skill no one else comes close,but on attitude and commitment at times one of the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 2 hours ago, BigTone said: On his day there is no doubting Tomlins a class act. He needs the right manager to play him to his strengths. Simply we do not have that manager Nor do Bournemouth either presumably? Must be Eddie Howe's fault. God forbid a player should take responsibility for their own performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 16 minutes ago, chinapig said: Nor do Bournemouth either presumably? Must be Eddie Howe's fault. God forbid a player should take responsibility for their own performance. And god forbib a manager that keeps playing people out of position. That goes for the whole team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, BigTone said: And god forbib a manager that keeps playing people out of position. That goes for the whole team Where would you play him Tone and in what formation ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge1981 Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 I've heard that Tomlin is not going to be around next season. Source isn't anything to with the club. Could be bull for all I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 Tomlin isn't an athlete, and until he sorts out that aspect of his game along with his attitude, he is quite frankly a waste of space. If he wants to do fancy tricks and not apply himself then he might as well join the circus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 10 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Where would you play him Tone and in what formation ? IMO we play him far too deep in a formation with only one up front (even at home). I would play 2 up front with Tomlin being one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: Tomlin isn't an athlete, and until he sorts out that aspect of his game along with his attitude, he is quite frankly a waste of space. If he wants to do fancy tricks and not apply himself then he might as well join the circus. Is that not being unfair on the seals ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 Just now, BigTone said: IMO we play him far too deep in a formation with only one up front (even at home). I would play 2 up front with Tomlin being one of them. Problem with that Tone is he wants to be centre stage / run the game and spends half his time retreating to pick the ball up off centre halves leaving the lone striker isolated If he would accept doing his own job really well , but in , and as part of , a team he would be a much better player IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 I hate to be negative on a weekend where we put in a performance we should be thoroughly proud of, but let's be honest the Tomlin signing has been a disaster. I won't pretend that I wasn't just as enthusiastic as everyone else about him this time last year and wasn't delighted when we signed him, but you look at it now and wonder how much better our season could have been without the Tomlin issue constantly lingering. You look at the complaints and faults with our performances earlier in the season and you could say that Tomlin is either directly or indirectly responsible for alot of them. All the issues that now look better with him out of the team. Slow ponderous play, Tammy being completely isolated, a unbalanced midfield. Seemingly none of them an issue without Tomlin in the team. I would also be pretty confident that the constant tinkering with personnel and formation earlier in the season was largely down to Tomlin. How do we try and get the best out of him, how do we make up for his limitations. The complete Tombola that's been the midfield, I am sure was largely down to trying to find the right balance due to Tomlin. Take him out of the picture and suddenly it's clear, Pack and Smith. The midfield we've had for 3 years... (admittedly we've only recently had a properly fit Korey). Look how much more consistent Patterson has become, again i think he has more of a licence because we're not worrying about Tomlin. Anybody with eyes can see he is miles more talented than Taylor, he can do things with a ball that Taylor can only dream of, and yet... Taylor has played an impressive part in this run of form. He presses the opposition defenders, he's lively, he tries to move the ball quickly and he and gives Tammy some support. All this without mentioning the quite incredible run of 'assists' he has been on. People may disagree, but I hope we are able to move Tomlin on in the summer. Part of me thinks it should be doable as his talent speaks for itself and the egos of managers mean that there will be at least one who thinks 'I can change him'. I do worry though as we all know why he was signing for us rather than a 'bigger' team at this level and let's be honest his quite dreadful season for us won't have done his reputation any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, BigTone said: Is that not being unfair on the seals ? They could always juggle him around on the end of their noses if their balls get punctured, ooh matron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cider_boy Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 Tomlin is undoubtedly a very talented player, but we can't seem to fit him into a line-up which works well enough for us. We have seen this season that he is not so good it is worth playing him, if it means we end up with a formation which doesn't work for us. He would be a good squad player, as if we need to change our formation during a game, and have someone who could come on create something with a moment of flare, it's him. Problems with that are 1. he's a confidence player. Sitting on the bench week in week out won't give him the confidence to perform at the top of his game 2. He's too expensive to warm the bench 3. He's good enough to want and expect first team football every week, so will want to go elsewhere to get it He is good enough that I would be concerned who we sell him to, as another championship club with a suitable formation for him, could cause us problems next year! If we do sell him, I think we should make it clear that he could go to another Bristol based league club for a nominal £1 fee. Shame there is a gentleman's agreement meaning they wouldn't be able to take up the offer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 21 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Where would you play him Tone and in what formation ? It's a dilemma. He's not an orthodox player so you have to give him freedom to roam not tie him to a fixed position but in the modern game he needs to do his bit when the opposition have the ball both in terms of putting in a shift and making sure the team keeps its shape. That is definitely not his strength so we look stronger with less gifted players doing the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 Just now, chinapig said: It's a dilemma. He's not an orthodox player so you have to give him freedom to roam not tie him to a fixed position but in the modern game he needs to do his bit when the opposition have the ball both in terms of putting in a shift and making sure the team keeps its shape. That is definitely not his strength so we look stronger with less gifted players doing the job. Gives up possssion a lot too Needs to mix his game up and play the simple ball / do the simple thing sometimes IMHO Save the tricks for those game changing moments not every time he gets the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbital Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Ivorguy said: Football is a team game and sadly Tomlin does not fit into this team. Get rid, God luck to him, move on At the moment, perhaps. But LJ has form on tinkering. It is perfectly feasible that next season, if after a few games 4-4-2 has not been successful, he may revert to another formation (perhaps 3-5-2, for example). If that is so, given injury, we would then be kicking ourselves for dispensing with our natural 'hole' player. The three best midfielders at the Gate this season have beeen Carney of Fulham, Mooy of Huddersfield and Bannan of Sheffield Wednesday. On his day, Tomlin is as good as each of them. Keep him and get the best out of him when form/circumstance/tactics dictate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, Orbital said: At the moment, perhaps. But LJ has form on tinkering. It is perfectly feasible that next season, if after a few games 4-4-2 has not been successful, he may revert to another formation (perhaps 3-5-2, for example). If that is so, given injury, we would then be kicking ourselves for dispensing with our natural 'hole' player. The three best midfielders at the Gate this season have beeen Carney of Fulham, Mooy of Huddersfield and Bannan of Sheffield Wednesday. On his day, Tomlin is as good as each of them. Keep him and get the best out of him when form/circumstance/tactics dictate. Think you have to judge his affect (On the Squad) Neutral ? / Positive ? / Negative ? when not involved too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 3 hours ago, CotswoldRed said: One thing he has in his locker is the ability to create time for himself on the ball. His awareness of where opponents are is excellent. As witnessed last night, most of the team need too much time with the ball and are at risk of losing it almost every time they have it at their feet. Yet as Bob points out in this thread he tends to give the ball away himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 9 minutes ago, Orbital said: At the moment, perhaps. But LJ has form on tinkering. It is perfectly feasible that next season, if after a few games 4-4-2 has not been successful, he may revert to another formation (perhaps 3-5-2, for example). If that is so, given injury, we would then be kicking ourselves for dispensing with our natural 'hole' player. The three best midfielders at the Gate this season have beeen Carney of Fulham, Mooy of Huddersfield and Bannan of Sheffield Wednesday. On his day, Tomlin is as good as each of them. Keep him and get the best out of him when form/circumstance/tactics dictate. Some of that 'tinkering' was down to LJ trying to find a shape to accommodate Tomlin. Personally I think he persisted for too long but then again plenty of fans were furious if he was left out so a bit of a no win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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