shamussy Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 So essentially a debate about old days vs new days. Some betters qualified than me who considers 1990 as old days. So back then was often a crackle in the air. Cigarette smoke, jumping up and down funny songs and a fairly aggressive sometimes atmosphere. Compare to new stadium, music fanzone quieter but safer and best for hildren and views etc... So simply old days or new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Old . No doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamussy Posted May 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 3 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: Old . No doubt I would tend to agree... maybe though now im older i like sitting watching the game with the kids... but saying that the east end being thrown about 7 rows forward on the floor when wayney scored was a laugh too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 It doesn't get much better than a corporate bunch in suits eating prawn sandwiches leaving early for half time and returning late showing that real commitment. Old for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Some close ups of Gunter please oops wrong thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 No comparison Old for me - The whole experience is what made it and made us fall in love with football and City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Atmosphere ? No! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Atmospheres were natural back then . Today it's bands , drums , stupid clappy things . It's just not the same these days. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Seen them both. Old days by a country mile. Only caveat, facilities for disabled back then were absolutely, criminally poor. Now much better. Actually, facilities were just as bad for those on their feet! I really miss standing in puddles of piss after queuing for 10 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Bit of both for me. Loved it back in the day with the edge but as I`m getting older (and less mobile!) couldn`t cope with it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Also a bit of both. Like the new stadium, plenty of toilets and refreshments. The game has changed so much from the old days of charging forward with lots of goalmouth action to some very turgid spells of keep ball. Crowd noise is different. As I've got older the lungs don't have the capacity to shout and sing for 90 minutes. But if you young ones get going in the South Stand there are plenty of us who'll join in. I still love going to live games (City & Bristol) and intend to until I drop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 1970s and 80s best by a very long way. Football has become sanitized Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Just now, cidered abroad said: Also a bit of both. Like the new stadium, plenty of toilets and refreshments. The game has changed so much from the old days of charging forward with lots of goalmouth action to some very turgid spells of keep all. Crowd noise is different. As I've got older the lungs don't have the capacity to shout and sing for 90 minutes. But if you young ones get going in the South Stand there are plenty of us who'll join in. I still love going to live games (City & Bristol) and intend to until I drop! "Forza Singing Section" Get those flags ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Old, more atmosphere The 'edge' feeling is no longer there to a degree I don't mind the new facilities but is more of a family day out now Its easier and quicker to get a pint now which is a bonus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Nostalgia's not what it used to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shamussy Posted May 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 The problem i find is that yes it was exciting with the edge but also pretty dangerous. Maybe thats what made the atmosphere seem better- that you might have to run away (fight or flight) from some nutters before during or after a game. So yes nostalgia... but now i love watching the game and having a nice chat and cuppa during the game whilst also joining in with the odd sing song err... wouldnt have taken the missus and kids back then... i suggest attendances also reflect that now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Dicks Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 All seater stadiums have been a disaster for the football fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Old - much more tribal and passionate and generally edgy. The noise level now is tame and too many who will only make some noise when we are winning and that is maybe one verse before sitting back down and waiting to be entertained before they dare shown any further emotion - eurgh !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Definitely been sanitised. On the other hand, the game as attended has never been more popular but old football seems more raw. Always enjoy watching when it is on old football from the 70s, 80s and even bits of the 90s. I remember when I first started going- and this was 1998, but there was definitely more edge than now. You still get it with various teams of course. To say it was totally sanitised in the 90s wouldn't be true- I thought I was imagining it but no. My memory was accurate! Quote Outside the Premier League the problem is, if anything, worse. At Bristol City there have been several outbreaks of trouble involving the self-styled City Society Firm, notably at QPR at the start of the season, a particularly vicious encounter with Wolves at Ashton Gate and a near-riot at West Brom. The second half of this match in February was held up for 15 minutes after 150 visiting fans clashed with supporters in the home end. The trouble was exacerbated, City fans have claimed, by the exact measures that are supposed to make matches more welcoming and secure, namely the lack of police in the ground. Despite the evidence of CCTV cameras, only one arrest was made. http://www.wsc.co.uk/the-archive/99-Crowd-control-&-policing/5384-fighting-comeback I know that isn't 70s and 80s level, and certainly not frequency but I would still argue that there was edge of some sort in late 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weymouth red Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Old Days great atmosphere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Old days - no doubt. Unfortunately The Gate is almost silent now compared to the days in the 70s and 80s when the proper East End was in its pomp, the Enclosure was a frenzy, Dolman A and B blocks rained noise down on the away fans and the Park End/Open End gave it loads! No edge at all to the match day experience these days compared to those....it's obviously up for debate as to whether that's a good thing or not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reigate Red Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 I think that the way we get excited about the odd game with a really good atmosphere today says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixtyseconds Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Old. Used to go for Jesus F Heist that was intense games ... That was the hook Fear, excitement, dark rages ... Feels like a previous life. The only thing at Ashton Gate now that makes the hair on the neck stand up are prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Just now, Reigate Red said: I think that the way we get excited about the odd game with a really good atmosphere today says it all. Indeed. I'm watching the German playoffs right now. It's quiet for a German game but an awful lot louder than our best atmosphere in living memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Old. squashed in the Eastend, couldn't see a thing at times, had to get there at least an hour early to join in with the singing. Huge surges forward but always managed to return to back to where we started, stood next to the same people week after week without numbers telling us where to be. Goal mouths filled with loo roll and no grass anywhere in the goalmouth from October to April, penalty spot repainted at HT by groundsman. Often edgy and dangerous at times, atmosphere electric. Used to really look forward to matches all week, and banter in school, college, workplaces. Thats why I fell in love with the game, live football you could see, smell, taste, touch and hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reigate Red Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, RedM said: Old. squashed in the Eastend, couldn't see a thing at times, had to get there at least an hour early to join in with the singing. Huge surges forward but always managed to return to back to where we started, stood next to the same people week after week without numbers telling us where to be. Goal mouths filled with loo roll and no grass anywhere in the goalmouth from October to April, penalty spot repainted at HT by groundsman. Often edgy and dangerous at times, atmosphere electric. Used to really look forward to matches all week, and banter in school, college, workplaces. Thats why I fell in love with the game, live football you could see, smell, taste, touch and hear. Jumpers for goalposts hey. Reading this I'm getting sentimental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 1 minute ago, Reigate Red said: Jumpers for goalposts hey. Reading this I'm getting sentimental Me too. Got me wondering... Do today's kids on the park constantly shrug their shoulders and fall down if someone is in the general vicinity? They'll reminisce about that one day I expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 13 minutes ago, Reigate Red said: Jumpers for goalposts hey. Reading this I'm getting sentimental Sorry. But how it's changed huh? Obviously it all had to start after Hillsborough, penning people in like animals was so wrong, but like many things of their time was accepted. I'm sure there were many other risks too, fire risks like Bradford. wooden constructions, no real fire escapes. Not many stewards to help you, we had the Police to batter us and they did. Again this was accepted. Toilet facilities were appalling, dirty, broken, no water to wash you hands never mind hot water, now our biggest complaint is the driers have cold air! Waste of time putting loo rolls in, as previously mentioned they were all thrown at the goals anyway! When I went to Newport County one evening they didn't even have a female toilet in the away end, I had to be escorted around the pitch, shown down a pitch dark corridor and climb over empty beer crates and wave away spiders webs to use a loo!!! Is now safe, clean and a perfect view of the game from every angle. But it isn't the same. How can it be that watching us at the bottom of the fourth division was better in a way than the atmosphere in the Championship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Just now, RedM said: Sorry. But how it's changed huh? Obviously it all had to start after Hillsborough, penning people in like animals was so wrong, but like many things of their time was accepted. I'm sure there were many other risks too, fire risks like Bradford. wooden constructions, no real fire escapes. Not many stewards to help you, we had the Police to batter us and they did. Again this was accepted. Toilet facilities were appalling, dirty, broken, no water to wash you hands never mind hot water, now our biggest complaint is the driers have cold air! Waste of time putting loo rolls in, as previously mentioned they were all thrown at the goals anyway! When I went to Newport County one evening they didn't even have a female toilet in the away end, I had to be escorted around the pitch, shown down a pitch dark corridor and climb over empty beer crates and wave away spiders webs to use a loo!!! Is now safe, clean and a perfect view of the game from every angle. But it isn't the same. How can it be that watching us at the bottom of the fourth division was better in a way than the atmosphere in the Championship? It just feels 'owned' by people other than fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanburyRed Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 Old, definitely. Remember my 1st game at 7, standing in the Open (Park) End on a stool that my dad made me so i could see the game (imagine taking a wooden stool into a game today...), looking with envy up the pitch at the East End, hearing the roars and songs, seeing the scarves held aloft, along with the banter and smell of cigars on the air. 10yrs on, standing in the East End joining in then starting songs, feeling like you'd really 'arrived', almost the same spot every game, seeing the same faces (but not really knowing any names...). Then a change of venue into B block in the Dolman, back row...great times, terrific humour, fearful abuse, the passion, the noise, the songs.....a little bit of 'steaming in' if necessary or required. Occasionally, the new stadia gives you games & times to remember, but nothing compared to the 'old days'. Progress i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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