Miah Dennehy Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Robbored said: One off games don't count. Nor do matches over two legs. Its the standard of the Scottish leagues that's pretty shite. I'm pretty sure they do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, Miah Dennehy said: £47 for Celtic fans at Ibrox this season. Sheff wed and Leeds is £40 a game ffs. Fortunately prem away games are £20 a pop now. Biggest game in scottish football not bad. For the record I used to like Motherwell and Falkirk but have now gone for "glory" with Rangers. Im a catholic boy myself so not sure if thats allowed but Celtic fans are absolute scummers. Hate the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said: Since I have been watching footy Scotland have been shit and they have continued to be shit ever since. Many smaller countries have performed better than Scotland and us. Chile, Uruguay, Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland, Croatia all more successful in the last 15-20years. I do not doubt they are domestically well supported in their leagues looking at the averages however they have fewer teams in each league and far cheaper ticket prices. You sound like Sky Sports, only acknowledging football over the last 15-20 years....Scotland qualified for SIX out of seven consecutive World Cup tournaments - 1974, 1978, 1982, 1986, 1990 and 1998...NONE of the countries you listed can match that record... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miah Dennehy Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said: Sheff wed and Leeds is £40 a game ffs. Fortunately prem away games are £20 a pop now. Biggest game in scottish football not bad. For the record I used to like Motherwell and Falkirk but have now gone for "glory" with Rangers. Im a catholic boy myself so not sure if thats allowed but Celtic fans are absolute scummers. Hate the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said: Sheff wed and Leeds is £40 a game ffs. Fortunately prem away games are £20 a pop now. Biggest game in scottish football not bad. For the record I used to like Motherwell and Falkirk but have now gone for "glory" with Rangers. Im a catholic boy myself so not sure if thats allowed but Celtic fans are absolute scummers. Hate the club. also a Catholic...ex St Brendans....both clubs fans have been in the naughty boys corner in the past, but I'll stick to Celtic from the Glasgow teams thanks. I have friends in Dunfermline (non catholic) but they dread Rangers fans coming to town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miah Dennehy Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 5 hours ago, Robbored said: With the Scotland v England game coming up I get the same feeling about the Scottish game every time we play them -that its pretty shite and of poor quality. Yet again Celitic with the league and both the cups. Sure the treble is unusual but for one club to dominate has to be a negative effect in their game. There's no serious competition with Rangers still recovering and only Aberdeen can mount any kind of challenge. Celtic go into the Champions League and struggle and recently got stuffed 8-0 by Barca. Personaly I think the Scottish league is laughable but then I've always thought that. For the 4th time in 129 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 21 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miah Dennehy Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, BS4 on Tour... said: My point was kinda to Kodijas condemnation of Celtic fans while also claiming to prefer a club who has SOME supporters who sing distasteful songs. I'm pretty sure if we tried we could unearth videos of every single clubs fans singing distasteful stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 minute ago, BS4 on Tour... said: so... they can both big it up among their own.... sounds like the Diane Abbott appreciation society on one side of the road, and the Boris Johnson fan club on the other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 6 minutes ago, BS4 on Tour... said: You sound like Sky Sports, only acknowledging football over the last 15-20 years....Scotland qualified for SIX out of seven consecutive World Cup tournaments - 1974, 1978, 1982, 1986, 1990 and 1998...NONE of the countries you listed can match that record... Well yeah because Im only 26 and started watching footy in 99. So thats the period I am acknowledging as i said? I suppose its a generation thing. Like Oxford Utd for example, bottom tier and conference for five or six and now just back in League one. The older footy fans bang on about how big they are yet the new generation think they are tinpot. How many have Scotland qualified for since btw? 14 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said: Well they are tossers as well but after the Kris Boyd's brother incident and the Lee Rigby chants by celtic fans at brentford , I prefer Rangers anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said: Well yeah because Im only 26 and started watching footy in 99. So thats the period I am acknowledging as i said? I suppose its a generation thing. Like Oxford Utd for example, bottom tier and conference for five or six and now just back in League one. The older footy fans bang on about how big they are yet the new generation think they are tinpot. How many have Scotland qualified for since btw? Well they are tossers as well but after the Kris Boyd's brother incident and the Lee Rigby chants by celtic fans at brentford , I prefer Rangers anyday. they can equally obnoxious I promise you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miah Dennehy Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said: Well yeah because Im only 26 and started watching footy in 99. So thats the period I am acknowledging as i said? I suppose its a generation thing. Like Oxford Utd for example, bottom tier and conference for five or six and now just back in League one. The older footy fans bang on about how big they are yet the new generation think they are tinpot. How many have Scotland qualified for since btw? Well they are tossers as well but after the Kris Boyd's brother incident and the Lee Rigby chants by celtic fans at brentford , I prefer Rangers anyday. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember the 'Lee Rigby' chants all turned out to be a load of bollocks. one of those things that spread round Facebook like wildfire without anyone checking the facts. Any teams supporters can have an odd stupid**** who shouts out vile stuff, but I find it INCREDIBLY difficult to believe that there was any mass chanting about Lee Rigby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, Sweeneys Penalties said: they can equally obnoxious I promise you. Ill take your word for it pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 do. I promise you. Over a spread of years, both sets of fans will appall you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Kodjias Wrist said: Ill take your word for it pal. http://www.scotzine.com/2012/12/fran-sandaza-interview-opens-up-old-wounds-of-sectarianism/ still feel easy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, Sweeneys Penalties said: http://www.scotzine.com/2012/12/fran-sandaza-interview-opens-up-old-wounds-of-sectarianism/ still feel easy? Well i suppose we are getting into sectarian troubles now but then this is what most of the rivalry is based on is it not? This is why I asked if it is ok for me to watch rangers being a catholic boy. Apparently not if i dont make it obvious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 3 minutes ago, Sweeneys Penalties said: do. I promise you. Over a spread of years, both sets of fans will appall you Have you had much exposure yourself ? Whoops maybe i should have worded this better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, Kodjias Wrist said: Have you had much exposure yourself ? bit too much tbh. I'm an old git in my mid 50's now and seen enough to last me a lifetime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Kodjias Wrist said: Well i suppose we are getting into sectarian troubles now but then this is what most of the rivalry is based on is it not? This is why I asked if it is ok for me to watch rangers being a catholic boy. Apparently not if i dont make it obvious... correct(ish). The issues start waaaaaay back before both of us were born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miah Dennehy Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Kodjias Wrist said: Well i suppose we are getting into sectarian troubles now but then this is what most of the rivalry is based on is it not? This is why I asked if it is ok for me to watch rangers being a catholic boy. Apparently not if i dont make it obvious... Watch who you like. As much as I dislike Souness, he did an awful lot in breaking down the barriers. You may think me biased, but there is a significant minority of Rangers fans who haven't moved in much from the days of the awful, truly shocking murder of Mark Scott in 1995. Plenty of Rangers fans will not give a monkeys that you are a catholic, but I wouldn't be casually mentioning it in the bars of Bridgeton if I were you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, Sweeneys Penalties said: correct(ish). The issues start waaaaaay back before both of us were born. Well yeah Henry VIII and William of Orange etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said: Well yeah Henry VIII and William of Orange etc etc. well, yes. I was thinking more of Brother Walfrid and the reasons Celtic were founded, but I take your point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miah Dennehy Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, Sweeneys Penalties said: well, yes. I was thinking more of Brother Willem and the reasons Celtic were founded, but I take your point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Kodjias Wrist said: Slightly off topic but why does Robbored get so much shit off of everyone? His posts aren't that different from many i see on here? Or is it just Banta? It's just banter............sometimes....... The shite I get stems back to when GJ was manager and I would regularly slag him and his style of football off. That criticism upset loads of his disciples who saw him as the greatest thing since sliced bread............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, Miah Dennehy said: yes sorry. Altered. My bad. Summat else bouncing round my brain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just now, Robbored said: It's just banter............sometimes....... The shite I get stems back to when GJ was manager and I would regularly slag him and his style of football off. That criticism upset loads of his disciples who saw him as the greatest thing since sliced bread............ Ah right ok I tend to remember your posts from your avatar and can never remember anything outrageous. You must have been best mates with @kachina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sglosbcfc Posted May 30, 2017 Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Kodjias Wrist said: I stopped reading at this To be fair @sglosbcfc I enjoy watching any derby game in both countries leagues. The difference in population makes it hard to determine who is better supported. You forget the fact that most prem league clubs could fit in thousands more. Man Utd and Liverpool could get 120k a game easy if the tickets were as cheap as the Old Firms. We have 6th and 7th tier clubs averaging over 1k a week. I saw an 8th tier derby that had 3k turn up to watch. Again you are comparing one of the largest countries in Europe with a population in excess of 60m with Scotland. Ross County took 15,000 fans to the Scottish League Cup final and they come from a town that has a population of 5,000. When did Man Utd or Liverpool last take 1.5m with them to a cup final. That is comparing like with like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 8 hours ago, sglosbcfc said: Ross County took 15,000 fans to the Scottish League Cup final and they come from a town that has a population of 5,000. Even gas heads can't claim that level of support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 11 hours ago, sglosbcfc said: Slagging off Scottish football, OK as usual I'll bite - 1. Scotland is the best supported league in Europe. Despite having a tiny population they have Celtic and Rangers averaging 50,000 +, Aberdeen, Hibs and Hearts averaging over 12,000 and Dundee and Dundee United averaging over 6,000. That is despite the fact that in the past 5 years all of the biggest teams in Scotland with the exception of Celtic and Aberdeen have spent time outside the top flight. 2. Teams in the fourth tier attract gates of 1,000 + for derbies and big matches, unheard of for similar size countries. 3. Again for such a small country the record of clubs in Europe is excellent. Celtic, Rangers, Aberdeen, Dundee, Dundee United have all reached semi finals or won major Europen cup competitions. 4. Tv money is tiny compared to the English game. This means that League two clubs can often pay better wages than SPL clubs. This is a problem facing smaller countries all over Europe. 5. Some of the people who slag off scottish football have never bothered to tune in. Next season watch a Glasgow, Edinburgh or Dundee (if they are drawn in the Cup) Derby and I trust you will get entertainment (as long as you enjoy traditional British fare of tough tackles, direct play and full bloodied commitment as opposed to tip tap, roll over every time you are touched European footy). 6. Finally, Scotland like many smaller countries will go through cycles, in the past twenty years they have struggled to unearth great talents. But just like Wales have enjoyed glory in the past 2 years so will Scotland in the not too distant future. p.s I'm not Scottish. I'm talking about the standard in Scottish football being pretty shite, not the population......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderingred Posted May 31, 2017 Report Share Posted May 31, 2017 12 hours ago, Kodjias Wrist said: Slightly off topic but why does Robbored get so much shit off of everyone? His posts aren't that different from many i see on here? Or is it just Banta? He likes to play the forum villain so in many cases he brings it on himself... But I thought this was an interesting thread to be honest. No need for all the bile here. I don't mind Scottish football myself. It is largely free of the soulless corporate feel that has consumed the Premier League. The quality is poor for sure but it feels more real. Crumbling terraces, pie and bovril, eccentric but friendly working class fans and not a prawn sarnie in sight (outside of the old firm anyway). I went to a Hibs game once and loved it. Made friends with the group of lads around me once they discovered I was a city fan.. It was shortly after Sproule had joined us from them (or was it vice versa I cant remember!!) so we had that link to bond over. My favourite Scottish team has to be Brechin City though. They are called BCFC and play in red and white.. What more could you want? Cracking little ground too, hope to visit one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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