And Its Smith Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 3 hours ago, BanburyRed said: Exactly. Not sure what their expectations are but when they look at the teams above them, maybe with the exception of Everton (possibly), what do they expect? Delusional. Again, read a bit and you will find out what their expectations are. The fans wanted him out and I would too. Boring, dour football. I might be in the minority here but football isn't all about the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 4 hours ago, myol'man said: They'll be playing Pompey in the Championship within the next 5 years. Saints are a club with a very over inflated opinion of themselves I would say this is exactly why they have succeeded in recent years and developed so many top players. They set high standards and demand the best. So far it has worked for them and I would not be at all shocked if they made an appointment that pushes them on again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 5 hours ago, myol'man said: They'll be playing Pompey in the Championship within the next 5 years. Saints are a club with a very over inflated opinion of themselves Very strange post. They couldn't be more different to Pompey. They don't overspend on players, they do bring their own through and they aren't scared to sell and replace if they get inflated offers for their players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 7 hours ago, RedDave said: Are you willfully misreading explanations? It wasn't about finishing 8th, it was about style of football. Not at all. Delusions of grandeur if Soton fans genuinely feel their footballing 'identity' is more important than results and league placing. We played really attractive football on several occasions last season and nearly got relegated. Amazing what a tiny little bit of success does to expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 4 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Good decision by the sound of it. No club or set of fans should be content with negative, boring, low scoring football. The people's game is about entertainment - or at least the endeavour of it - whichever division you're in. Best tell Baggies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Somewhat surprised but I thought it a strange appointment in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 9 hours ago, swanker said: It won't be Lee Johnson, he'll be the next Arsenal manager. There is no NEXT Arsenal manager, I thought everyone knew that :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Another club that it would be nice to see fall flat on its face now, if you ask me. Jumped up B++strds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 1 hour ago, BRISTOL86 said: Not at all. Delusions of grandeur if Soton fans genuinely feel their footballing 'identity' is more important than results and league placing. We played really attractive football on several occasions last season and nearly got relegated. Amazing what a tiny little bit of success does to expectations. Their expectations have remained the same: to play attractive football. What has changed? Style of play for me is more important than results and league placings, as long as we remain in this league. I'd rather finish 18th playing football seen under Wilson than 8th with football seen under Pulis. A lot of people on this forum remember the Wilson years fondly. I didn't used to as he didn't get us promoted but, I've changed my mind about that period now and realise that it was special to watch regardless of end results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 1 hour ago, BRISTOL86 said: Not at all. Delusions of grandeur if Soton fans genuinely feel their footballing 'identity' is more important than results and league placing. We played really attractive football on several occasions last season and nearly got relegated. Amazing what a tiny little bit of success does to expectations. Russell Osman once thought that the result was more important than entertainment/identity and gates at home dropped by 40%, and away support fell below 500 for away games. I expect their identity of scoring a goal a game not less than a goal a game at home is important to supporters. Southampton produce great, truly great attacking players, they have a academy on par with the very best in Europe, the philosophy of the club creates great attacking players ... If this Manager decided dour and defensive is his way to go, out he should and has gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 1 hour ago, RedDave said: Their expectations have remained the same: to play attractive football. What has changed? Style of play for me is more important than results and league placings, as long as we remain in this league. I'd rather finish 18th playing football seen under Wilson than 8th with football seen under Pulis. A lot of people on this forum remember the Wilson years fondly. I didn't used to as he didn't get us promoted but, I've changed my mind about that period now and realise that it was special to watch regardless of end results. Fair enough. I would much rather we get promoted playing ugly than struggle to avoid relegation whilst playing the beautiful game but each to their own! Leicester didn't play nice football, their fans weren't moaning that they won the premier league. Southampton simply don't have the quality to play like Brazil and be a top six club in that league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 34 minutes ago, Cowshed said: Russell Osman once thought that the result was more important than entertainment/identity and gates at home dropped by 40%, and away support fell below 500 for away games. I expect their identity of scoring a goal a game not less than a goal a game at home is important to supporters. Southampton produce great, truly great attacking players, they have a academy on par with the very best in Europe, the philosophy of the club creates great attacking players ... If this Manager decided dour and defensive is his way to go, out he should and has gone. Not sure it's a case of deciding that 'dour is the way to go' - more a case of doing the best with what you have in order to achieve the maximum outcome in terms of league placing. I'd rather have a 0-0 and a 1-0 than a 4-5 and a 3-3 but maybe I'm old fashioned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 29 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Fair enough. I would much rather we get promoted playing ugly than struggle to avoid relegation whilst playing the beautiful game but each to their own! Leicester didn't play nice football, their fans weren't moaning that they won the premier league. Southampton simply don't have the quality to play like Brazil and be a top six club in that league. Maybe it's an age thing ( not supposed to sound as patronising as it probably does ) but I no longer have a burning desire to reach the Premier League. I know WBA fans who are bored out of their brains now and a couple wouldn't mind getting relegated so they can witness something different. I have no desire for us to become WBA. Realistically, teams won't scrape relegation and play beautiful football as teams down the bottom generally dig in, play percentage football and try to survive. I would argue that many times Leicester's style of play was exciting. Very fast counter attacks are attractive to watch. Hey, each to their own. Plenty of people like an ugly 1-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Just now, RedDave said: I have no desire for us to become WBA Glad to hear it. tfj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 12 hours ago, RedDave said: Are you willfully misreading explanations? It wasn't about finishing 8th, it was about style of football. I'd pay hundreds of pounds to watch my team finish 8th in the premier league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 44 minutes ago, RedDave said: Maybe it's an age thing ( not supposed to sound as patronising as it probably does ) but I no longer have a burning desire to reach the Premier League. I know WBA fans who are bored out of their brains now and a couple wouldn't mind getting relegated so they can witness something different. I have no desire for us to become WBA. Realistically, teams won't scrape relegation and play beautiful football as teams down the bottom generally dig in, play percentage football and try to survive. I would argue that many times Leicester's style of play was exciting. Very fast counter attacks are attractive to watch. Hey, each to their own. Plenty of people like an ugly 1-0 I'd be happy with one season in the Prem at this stage. I just want to see us get there. I'd take a season of ugly 1-0s in all honesty. Especially after two seasons fighting relegation whilst at times playing very attractive football! Dont get me wrong I like the fact that Soton aren't happy being a WBA and want to reach the next level but you have to be realistic about what you are and are not. Not a chance in hell are Soton going to push higher than that and play scintillating football with the squad and transfer policy they have. They're still a selling club for one. If they're serious about kicking into top six and doing it by playing incredible football week in week out they'll need significant investment in the squad. Fair play to them if they can achieve that but expectations seem a little detached from reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 26 minutes ago, David Brent said: I'd pay hundreds of pounds to watch my team finish 8th in the premier league I'd pay a bit to see them finish 8th in the championship! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Hope Saints get relegated the arrogant bastards . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 3 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said: Not sure it's a case of deciding that 'dour is the way to go' - more a case of doing the best with what you have in order to achieve the maximum outcome in terms of league placing. I'd rather have a 0-0 and a 1-0 than a 4-5 and a 3-3 but maybe I'm old fashioned! And many would not which Is why I used a parallel of Russell Osman's at BCFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 14 hours ago, myol'man said: They'll be playing Pompey in the Championship within the next 5 years. Saints are a club with a very over inflated opinion of themselves Don't think so, they're a strong club with a great infrastructure. Ruthless with managers and why not? They've been vindicated with it in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offside Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 The style vs results/league position debate is an interesting one. I just missed out on the Div 1 days of the 1970s. I've often wondered - what was City's football like during that time? I'm aware we had some excellent players, but overall were we a team that played with flair or a gritty side that managed to grind out results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 7 hours ago, Offside said: The style vs results/league position debate is an interesting one. I just missed out on the Div 1 days of the 1970s. I've often wondered - what was City's football like during that time? I'm aware we had some excellent players, but overall were we a team that played with flair or a gritty side that managed to grind out results? We were that team . Gritty , hard to beat , most of our wins were 2-1 or 1-0 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 On 2017-6-14 at 22:58, beaverface said: Personally I'm with you - unbelievable really. However playing devils advocate, didn't they sack Nigel Adkins and bring in Pochettino straight after Adkins got them promotion? Sometimes it takes bottle to push on, and not stick with managers for sentimental reasons. Can't disagree with that-the revolving door at Watford as an example- It's a gamble though,spinning the chamber in such fashon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 8 hours ago, Cowshed said: And many would not which Is why I used a parallel of Russell Osman's at BCFC. So you'd honestly rather see us get one point from six playing 'beautiful football' than four from six playing 'dour and defensive' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 On 2017-6-14 at 22:07, BS4 on Tour... said: ....sacked. 8th place finish in Premier League and League Cup Final runners up. What exactly does the Southampton FC board expect? That sounds like a fantastic season to me.....do they really demand more than that?! They had 17 fewer points than last season tbh Matt Le Tissier thought it was the right call aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 8 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said: So you'd honestly rather see us get one point from six playing 'beautiful football' than four from six playing 'dour and defensive' ? Did you watch Russell Osman's team in the league? Thousands of fans, and it was thousands ceased watching BCFC because it was boring. I don't understand why anybody would go to football to be bored. Its meant to be entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 42 minutes ago, Cowshed said: Did you watch Russell Osman's team in the league? Thousands of fans, and it was thousands ceased watching BCFC because it was boring. I don't understand why anybody would go to football to be bored. Its meant to be entertainment. It certainly wasn't the greatest watch ever, but considering the resources at his disposal, I thought Osman worked a miracle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 59 minutes ago, Sweeneys Penalties said: It certainly wasn't the greatest watch ever, but considering the resources at his disposal, I thought Osman worked a miracle. Yes he managed to vanish 6000 fans off the gate and inspired a fans walk out at half time at Pompey with the score being 0-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeneys Penalties Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 1 hour ago, Cowshed said: Yes he managed to vanish 6000 fans off the gate and inspired a fans walk out at half time at Pompey with the score being 0-0. You're only as good as the cards you are dealt. He had a budget of about £2.50 and it took the best part of 20 years for City to get back to where he left us. If you want a scapegoat look no further than David Russe and his ilk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Just now, Sweeneys Penalties said: You're only as good as the cards you are dealt. He had a budget of about £2.50 and it took the best part of 20 years for City to get back to where he left us. If you want a scapegoat look no further than David Russe and his ilk Football is entertainment. Fans (most) do not want to be bored. Those are the cards. His tactics were funny with hindsight, but also damaging to the club. Miserable off (Kew) and on the pitch. Osman would have told Pele and Ardiles to sit deep in Escape to Victory ... That bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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