GIBBO THE GREAT Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 9 hours ago, Ian M said: I suppose we will need this thread for sure now. Telling fans on Sunday he isn't injured, despite what LJ tells us & then on Tuesday is named in a 22 man squad but doesn't get any minutes as LJ preferred to bring on a player not even in the squad orginally. His absence was not even covered post match. Goodbye Lee. Johnson out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Has he gone yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Boyle's Perm Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 If we can get £2m for him that has to be good business. He's been a fleeting shadow of his former self last season and whatever the cause can only be disrupting the rest of the squad. Has to benefit "the greater good." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nebristolred Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: The initial fee for Tomlin was reported as being £2.25m so not sure where £3.5m comes from? The only point I'm making is that 7 goals in 32 (10) appearances is a long way from f-all. It was actually a significant contribution in the context of our season and it'll have to be replaced somehow. Pretty sure Steve Lansdown said in his 'big interview' at the end of last season (the one where he declared LT as our record transfer) that it was around £2.25mish with the possibility of rising to £3m. Might have got the first bit wrong but I'm sure I remember him alluding to £3m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 4 hours ago, Shtanley said: £2.8m is excellent stuff. I see us playing a hardworking 4411/442 next year and I don't think Tomlin fits. For me the front 6 should be: Brownhill Pack Smith Paterson Reid/Taylor Diedhiou Or 4-2-3-1/4-3-2-1. The likes of Paterson, Reid, Taylor and Brownhill have the flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire_red Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 26 minutes ago, nebristolred said: Pretty sure Steve Lansdown said in his 'big interview' at the end of last season (the one where he declared LT as our record transfer) that it was around £2.25mish with the possibility of rising to £3m. Might have got the first bit wrong but I'm sure I remember him alluding to £3m. So £2.25m as the add ons for appearances, goals, promotion would not apply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JammyOne Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I hope this transfer happens. Patterson in my opinion is in every way a better player than Tomlin with the exception that Tomlin is a better dead ball specialist. If we sell him for 2.5 million then that should free up some money to get another striker in, maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Perhaps the board see it as cashing in on Tomlin frees up funds for Bettinelli and Dicko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, tinman85 said: Perhaps the board see it as cashing in on Tomlin frees up funds for Bettinelli and Dicko. I don't think we need to sell as such, not for transfer fees anyway. Tomlin is on a big wage and that would be more pressing. We'd have a lot more flexibility without his £15,000+ a week(?) on our wage bill. With the aim of being self sufficient though, anything we can recoup on transfer fees is a big bonus. It seems that the price you pay for players goes up every year, so maybe it's not actually so ludicrous a price. Why can't we also benefit from the current financial environment and ask for these fees ourselves. Wolves wanting £3m for Dicko.. the rumoured £5m for Bettenelli.. prices are massive. We should have a piece of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Definitely not ITK and could sill be conjecture but just heard he has passed his medical and a £2.9 million deal will be announced tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 I like LT but this wouldn't be the end of the world. Especially if we are continuing with a flat 4 in midfield. We have a lot of CM's right now. Based on his form of last season and the money we'll get from fee and wages, this is ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastend Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 1 minute ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: Definitely not ITK and could sill be conjecture but just heard he has passed his medical and a £2.9 million deal will be announced tomorrow. If it's this account your going by, then check how many followers he has... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: Definitely not ITK and could sill be conjecture but just heard he has passed his medical and a £2.9 million deal will be announced tomorrow. Peter O'Rourke tweeted that an hour ago so reckon that's that. Could of been a legend here but a combination of him not putting the effort in and LJ not knowing how to handle him ( who'd of thought) it's all gone a bit sour. Surprised about all the negative comments on here. Wasn't the only one that didn't turn up last season. Yet the rest of em seem good enough now......... Fingers crossed for a couple of quality players through the door in the next few weeks. Edit: seem it was a fake account. Would be funny if he was just Cardiff to watch Coldplay. I'd be a bit jealous too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 9 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I don't think we need to sell as such, not for transfer fees anyway. Tomlin is on a big wage and that would be more pressing. We'd have a lot more flexibility without his £15,000+ a week(?) on our wage bill. With the aim of being self sufficient though, anything we can recoup on transfer fees is a big bonus. It seems that the price you pay for players goes up every year, so maybe it's not actually so ludicrous a price. Why can't we also benefit from the current financial environment and ask for these fees ourselves. Wolves wanting £3m for Dicko.. the rumoured £5m for Bettenelli.. prices are massive. We should have a piece of that. If we want to fill the ground week in week out then we need these kind of signings, weve just spent £5 mil on a striker which is great, lets give the league a go for once rather than talk about staving off relegation. Whats the point in having such a rich owner to just tread water, it's about time we put Bristol on the footballing map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 That wasn't my source, but it could possibly have been for who passed it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, YorkshireSection said: If we want to fill the ground week in week out then we need these kind of signings, weve just spent £5 mil on a striker which is great, lets give the league a go for once rather than talk about staving off relegation. Whats the point in having such a rich owner to just tread water, it's about time we put Bristol on the footballing map. Agreed. Think with LJ here Lansdown is prepared to pay the big fees. I predict a couple more 7 figure incomings' before September. The transfer window these days seems reliant on domino effects' and maybe this Tomlin transfer will start a mini one in this league. I predict Tomlin departing and Dicko arriving as a direct result of eachother. The Prem teams announcing their squads will also lead to a flurry of loans. Lots of time for lots of movement to happen still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 7 hours ago, Fordy62 said: This disappoints me a lot. Arguably our most exciting signing ever is seemingly being shipped out. People have bad patches of form, but you give them chance to re-find it, not get rid of them at the first chance. Truth is we haven't had the best of LT and now he's off. That makes me disappointed. And it's clear it's because he and LJ didn't get on. What makes me more disappointed is that people are seriously considering Bobby Reid as a viable alternative. Jesus wept. It seems pretty obvious LT can be disruptive , doesn't really fit into our system and doesn't track back or work hard enough for the team. One thing we do know though is Warnock will get the best out of him , he's done it before with players like him. It's one major problem for me is LJ's man management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, BCFC Grim said: Peter O'Rourke tweeted that an hour ago so reckon that's that. Could of been a legend here but a combination of him not putting the effort in and LJ not knowing how to handle him ( who'd of thought) it's all gone a bit sour. Surprised about all the negative comments on here. Wasn't the only one that didn't turn up last season. Yet the rest of em seem good enough now......... Fingers crossed for a couple of quality players through the door in the next few weeks. Edit: seem it was a fake account. Would be funny if he was just Cardiff to watch Coldplay. I'd be a bit jealous too. What proof do you have to this? How many times did we hear LJ say that LT needed to feel loved blah blah blah? I would guess that LJ has given LT all the love & opportunities he could but still got nothing back in return!! LJ has 20+ other players to look after & make sure they're okay without having to constantly worry about one particular individual all the time, it's not LT is 18 years-old, he's a fully grown adult who is being paid anything from £15,000 p/w!! He shouldn't need to be cuddled every 5 minutes to get the best out of him, that £15,000 p/w should of been enough reason to have some pride in his own performances. But still, he'll get a ridiculous pay off from us, a ridiculous signing on fee & ridiculous wage for the next 3 years or so. Who can blame him for taking a move, earning a wedge & bonuses & then moving & doing it all again in a years time? All those pay-offs & signing on fee's must be heartbreaking to see go into his bank account!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willy bedlock Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 Bet he haunts us this season if true ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 11 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: One thing we do know though is Warnock will get the best out of him , he's done it before with players like him. It's one major problem for me is LJ's man management Yep, same problem with Eddie Howe at Bournemouth. Useless man management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Tipps69 said: What proof do you have to this? How many times did we hear LJ say that LT needed to feel loved blah blah blah? I would guess that LJ has given LT all the love & opportunities he could but still got nothing back in return!! LJ has 20+ other players to look after & make sure they're okay without having to constantly worry about one particular individual all the time, it's not LT is 18 years-old, he's a fully grown adult who is being paid anything from £15,000 p/w!! He shouldn't need to be cuddled every 5 minutes to get the best out of him, that £15,000 p/w should of been enough reason to have some pride in his own performances. But still, he'll get a ridiculous pay off from us, a ridiculous signing on fee & ridiculous wage for the next 3 years or so. Who can blame him for taking a move, earning a wedge & bonuses & then moving & doing it all again in a years time? All those pay-offs & signing on fee's must be heartbreaking to see go into his bank account!! It's been pretty obvious throughout the season man management isn't LJ strongest point. Constantly blaming the players in public, dropping players out of nowhere and them not seing them for a month. Even when asked, he'd say the player had an injury, yet said player would say he was fine. Patterson I recall. Wouldn't surprise me if NW got the best out of him..........that said it wouldn't surprise me if he failed there also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, BCFC Grim said: It's been pretty obvious throughout the season man management isn't LJ strongest point. Constantly blaming the players in public, dropping players out of nowhere and them not seing them for a month. Even when asked, he'd say the player had an injury, yet said player would say he was fine. Patterson I recall. Wouldn't surprise me if NW got the best out of him..........that said it wouldn't surprise me if he failed there also. But while we were going through such a poor run & after LJ has no doubt tried the nice route of trying to pick the players up & not getting the necessary reaction, the next option is you have to try the ruthless route & become more nasty about things! He tried just about everything, changing formations, changing players, changing style of play & bringing in new players before he got it right!! I would much rather see LJ be proactive in his search for better results rather than allowing the same players think their positions are safe regardless of results & performances. Colin may well get the best out of LT but I wouldn't bet on it lasting the length of his contract. They will have a bust-up at some point, it's inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacki Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 It's a real shame it hasn't worked out for Tomlin here, when he's on song he's a joy to watch. He was far too inconsistent last season though, and if he isn't going to be a regular a club like us just can't justify paying £15K a week plus to have him here. Better we let him go and replace him with someone who wants to be here. That said, I really hope we bring in an exciting replacement for him. With Tammy gone I am a little concerned that we lack that player to get us out of our seats at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 11 minutes ago, Tipps69 said: But while we were going through such a poor run & after LJ has no doubt tried the nice route of trying to pick the players up & not getting the necessary reaction, the next option is you have to try the ruthless route & become more nasty about things! He tried just about everything, changing formations, changing players, changing style of play & bringing in new players before he got it right!! I would much rather see LJ be proactive in his search for better results rather than allowing the same players think their positions are safe regardless of results & performances. Colin may well get the best out of LT but I wouldn't bet on it lasting the length of his contract. They will have a bust-up at some point, it's inevitable. I think if LJ learned anything last year, its that how important Korey Smith is to the team and how its important to keep things simple and not overcomplicate things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 31 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: Yep, same problem with Eddie Howe at Bournemouth. Useless man management. You didn't quote my statement about LT being dsruptive i notice rog LJ has got history though especially with HM . I won't miss Tomlin if i'm honest but you can guarantee he'll have a blinder against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 59 minutes ago, Eastend said: If it's this account your going by, then check how many followers he has... That's a fake account. His real account has slightly more than one follower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 15 minutes ago, BCFC Grim said: It's been pretty obvious throughout the season man management isn't LJ strongest point. Constantly blaming the players in public, dropping players out of nowhere and them not seing them for a month. Even when asked, he'd say the player had an injury, yet said player would say he was fine. Patterson I recall. Wouldn't surprise me if NW got the best out of him..........that said it wouldn't surprise me if he failed there also. Are we still going round the LJ man management buoy. You state his lack of man management skills are obvious but to whom? Certainly not to me. There might have been a clamour from a vocal minority in the stands, but I don't recall the same from the players or staff. He was clearly distressed by the run of defeats (weren't we all) , but I don't particularly recall LJ naming individuals as the cause for defeats - certainly none that weren't blindingly obvious. As for dropping players, that's what managers do if they believe their performances are not good enough. I seem to recall that Tomlin came out publicly to say his performances didn't warrant him playing. Magnusson simply didn't find a way to oust Bailey Wright after injury Injuries are more difficult to assess for us on the terraces. However, I wonder if the player is always the best judge of fitness. There can be a difference between feeling fit and being able to get through a high intensity game. In the end, whatever the virtues of his man management are, they were good enough to see us stay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 43 minutes ago, BCFC Grim said: Wouldn't surprise me if NW got the best out of him..........that said it wouldn't surprise me if he failed there also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B1ackbird Posted July 12, 2017 Report Share Posted July 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said: Roy Walker: Just say what you see.. Contestant: Gate Shrugger.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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