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Where these arguments often fall flat is in the fact that most of the players playing in the Premier League aren't English. Why is it a problem for our national team when players for other countries aren't struggling?

Also, all of this football needs to be played at some point or another. If the league takes two weeks off, it doesn't mean we lose these matches. We just pack an already packed schedule even more.

Finally, do we really believe that clubs will give their players a rest? As already said, they'll be off playing in Dubai or America in big-money friendlies instead of relaxing at home.

One easy way to fix this is to set a maximum game limit on all Premier League players. There are 38 games in the Premier League season, so why not say that no player can play more than 30-32 games a season? It allows the league to continue, ensures players get a break, and allows players to come back from injury safely instead of playing through painkillers. More importantly, it forces teams to use their entire 25 man squad, and benefits teams at the bottom of the table that might not have cup/continental football by giving their players more rest. 

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If you want a winter break, the best time to do it would be the first two weeks of January (maybe 20 days if there is still space.

Only for the top leagues. You don't want it like in Spain where the second division finishes 10th June and playoffs 24th June.

By not playing, gives a space for lower league football on tv. Especially if commercial tours are prohibited.

 

The negatives 

It would probably man more Tuesday football and/or the end of the league cup but that's the nature of the beast.

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The fa cup may have to become midweek competition for 3rd 4th round. 

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Didn't affect Wales too much last summer, all of their players play in the English leagues don't they?

If there was to be a winter break, the clubs should HAVE to agree to not playing during those two weeks and that should be non negotiable.

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9 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

Asking for a break from football matches, so they can spend that time playing football matches doesn't seem to undermine the entire point of it to you in any way at all?

The European clubs who have a winter break go on training camps, many don't train over Christmas.

Very different to flying around the globe playing extra football matches, which is a more taxing thing than staying in your own country playing football matches.

Friendlies, wherever they're played are essentially training  games. The high tempo and intensity of the PL is missing and as posted earlier in this thread, no-one cares.

These overseas tours/fixtures are jollys for the players. They're no big deal.

During any international breaks during the season those not involved in international matches go abroad for a few days.whats the difference?

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1 hour ago, Robbored said:

Listening to Big Sam on Talk Sport this morning and he made a sound arguement for the English PL to have a winter break as other countries do.

He reckoned that English internationals play too much high pressure football on a continuous basis over a season and when the major competitions come around they're at a significant disadvantage when compared to other countries. He thought that's a factor in why England fail so miserably in the big tournaments. He was very much  in favour of a winter break.

I thought his argument was pretty convincing.....

Is this the same Sam Allerdyce that when he had a little time off, flew around the World looking to make more money for himself by doing dodgy deals? How can anyone take anything he says seriously.

He had his "dream job", but still wasn't satisfied, The Premier League and all associated with it are just in it for ££££.

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Just now, Robbored said:

Friendlies, wherever they're played are essentially training  games. The high tempo and intensity of the PL is missing and as posted earlier in this thread, no-one cares.

These overseas tours/fixtures are jollys for the players. They're no big deal.

During any international breaks during the season those not involved in international matches go abroad for a few days.whats the difference?

The fact all the players would be playing for a start.

 

A lot of the international games during the international breaks are also friendlies (thankfully this is changing soon) so another non point of yours is disregarded already.

 

Even as a lower intensity game, is it really too hard for you to see the total hypocrisy of advocating a break from matches so that pkayers can tour the world playing matches? Even my nine year old sister can see that it undermines it in every single way.

Also, as Monkeh said, the travel is a big issue. Something you completely ignored.

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12 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said:

The fact all the players would be playing for a start.

A lot of the international games during the international breaks are also friendlies (thankfully this is changing soon) so another non point of yours is disregarded already.

Even as a lower intensity game, is it really too hard for you to see the total hypocrisy of advocating a break from matches so that pkayers can tour the world playing matches? Even my nine year old sister can see that it undermines it in every single way.

Also, as Monkeh said, the travel is a big issue. Something you completely ignored.

:disapointed2se:.................you just don't seem to get the point............either that or you're just being combatative.............:facepalm:

I think you qualify for a   z z z z z z z z z....

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22 minutes ago, Robbored said:

This thread is about the winter break - not a thread for slagging off Big Sam...........:disapointed2se:

This thread is about whatever the forum members wish it to be, including debating how ineffectual a Winter break would be v say stricter rules on team squad size/foreign quota, the EPPP being altered, developing a national coaching culture in line with Europe, the stockpiling of talent (particularly U21's) by EPL teams ... A Winter break v creating a EPL backed stricter path to senior football is a bit like a plaster between Cathy Barrys thighs, it would do nothing.

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The Premier League don't care about the England national team and neither to the clubs. Why not just reduce the number of teams in the competition in the first place so there's less games to play? Oh that's right, less money to be made. Spurs took all the first team squad on a trip to Asia the week after the last game of the season just gone. Why? Brand exposure, when they could have been sent on holiday to recuperate.

 

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2 hours ago, myol'man said:

Another problem with the 'winter break' argument is the unpredictable weather in the UK.

You could have a break say mid December followed by a big freeze/heavy snow in January, or vice versa 

Correct. And of course if a break is introduced here, clubs will seize the opportunity not to rest their players, but instead travel to the other side of the world. There they will play showcase friendlies against other Prem clubs or some local team to "increase merchandise sales and enhance the publicity of the brand this club has now become".

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9 minutes ago, LC_ said:

The Premier League don't care about the England national team and neither to the clubs. Why not just reduce the number of teams in the competition in the first place so there's less games to play? Oh that's right, less money to be made. Spurs took all the first team squad on a trip to Asia the week after the last game of the season just gone. Why? Brand exposure, when they could have been sent on holiday to recuperate.

 

Liverpool are in Hong Kong and Klopp was on tv last night talking about the terrible pitch and risk of injury but he understood it was a money spinner. That what any winter break would be. no break and make as much cash wherever it can found. Its not like  some of the premier league clubs have teams full of English players anyway.

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11 hours ago, Robbored said:

Listening to Big Sam on Talk Sport this morning and he made a sound arguement for the English PL to have a winter break as other countries do.

He reckoned that English internationals play too much high pressure football on a continuous basis over a season and when the major competitions come around they're at a significant disadvantage when compared to other countries. He thought that's a factor in why England fail so miserably in the big tournaments. He was very much  in favour of a winter break.

I thought his argument was pretty convincing.....

all in favour of a winter break, no games when public transport is not running.

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9 hours ago, Cowshed said:

This thread is about whatever the forum members wish it to be, including debating how ineffectual a Winter break would be v say stricter rules on team squad size/foreign quota, the EPPP being altered, developing a national coaching culture in line with Europe, the stockpiling of talent (particularly U21's) by EPL teams ... A Winter break v creating a EPL backed stricter path to senior football is a bit like a plaster between Cathy Barrys thighs, it would do nothing.

 

9 hours ago, Robbored said:

Not according to Big Sam........

Has Sam met Cathy Barry then ?

Or video analysis ?

Pro Zone ?

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The winter break: the cash generator thinly veiled as in support international football. 

Tell you what, the FA can try earnestly to improve grass roots coaching, hire head coaches more inspiring than Gareth Southgate or Aidy Bothroyd, tackle the PL club's academy stockpiling programme, make provision for quotas of English players and tackle several players' incessant injury withdrawals from the squad before I'd even consider supporting a winter break. 

Without doing the above, what's the point in a winter break - except generating more funds to blow the January transfer window even more into lunacy. 

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10 hours ago, LC_ said:

The Premier League don't care about the England national team and neither to the clubs. Why not just reduce the number of teams in the competition in the first place so there's less games to play? Oh that's right, less money to be made. Spurs took all the first team squad on a trip to Asia the week after the last game of the season just gone. Why? Brand exposure, when they could have been sent on holiday to recuperate.

 

Yup....I'm in Oz at the moment (back in time for Aug 5th!) Watched Sydney FC v Arsenal on TV last weekend. Whole squad there with 10 subs coming on in 2nd half. Players looked bored as did Wenger.

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