Sunderland Vs Celtic trouble

[TV Tom]

11 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

Harry's, there has been a lot of vitriol against Rangers on this thread, but this is a thread about Sunderland and Celtic and as somebody pointed out a couple of posts ago you are trying to use the socialist ploy of 'yeah but they are just as bad' and not attempting to answer or get involved in what this thread is actually about.

At least Miah for instance has acknowledged that there is a problem and has stated her disgust, why can't you? and wait for the next time Rangers fans transgress to vilify them?.

Ok, I'll leave it there

[Natchfever]

34 minutes ago, Ciderhead433 said:

When we played Cardiff not so long ago 

Genuine question, but when? I don't recall it and dont remember seeing any mention of it on here.

[RedZepperin]

20 hours ago, SARJ said:

The fenians get what they deserve when they come to England. A club who's fans openly support the IRA and heap scorn on British soldiers are only ever going to endure hostility south of the border. Clubs who organise these friendlies must come to expect this.

SARJ, old chap. Are you really suggesting that any Celtic fan who visits England (even our good friend, Mr Dennehy, who lives here anyway) deserves... what is it that they deserve, exactly? Kindly explain. 

And you base this on a mathematical formula conjured up in your mind, the result of which is that the majority of said fans behave in a certain way or believe certain things that merit this treatment. What is the percentage you have come up with, exactly? 51%, 65%? What about the other 49% or 35% or whatever? Do they also deserve whatever this treatment is?

Finally. Imagine for a moment that, instead of being born in the Bristol area, you or I happened to enter this world in the Glasgow area. Into a Catholic family. We both like football. Which team will we support?

 

 

[Natchfever]

2 hours ago, harrys said:

Just out of interest does anyone have the same vitriol towards Rangers, whose fans have a huge following among Northern Irish terrorist groups,  constantly sing vile songs about the Pope and the glorification in the deaths of thousands of Irishmen over several centuries, or their previous positive discrimination of not employing a Catholic for over 100 years or is all that ok just because they wave the Union Jack?

Possibly Catholics Harrys. As for myself, I couldn't care a **** about the Boyne, former employment practices in Northern Ireland, or a foreign geezer in the Vatican. What I do know though is that the bombing atricities I grew up through in mainland Britain were (I think) exclusively republican, and thats why for me, whilst I couldn't care one jot about Reangers and all the flag waving drumming pipe playing stuff, I absolutely ******* hate anyone who supports the IRA..

[RedRock]

2 hours ago, RedZepperin said:

SARJ, old chap. Are you really suggesting that any Celtic fan who visits England (even our good friend, Mr Dennehy, who lives here anyway) deserves... what is it that they deserve, exactly? Kindly explain. 

And you base this on a mathematical formula conjured up in your mind, the result of which is that the majority of said fans behave in a certain way or believe certain things that merit this treatment. What is the percentage you have come up with, exactly? 51%, 65%? What about the other 49% or 35% or whatever? Do they also deserve whatever this treatment is?

Finally. Imagine for a moment that, instead of being born in the Bristol area, you or I happened to enter this world in the Glasgow area. Into a Catholic family. We both like football. Which team will we support?

 

 

Stupid question.

Bristol City.

Next.

[Bob Rock]

Celtic play a 'friendly' south of the border, results in anti-British songs and crowd trouble, what a suprise.....

[Wanderingred]

3 hours ago, harrys said:

Just out of interest does anyone have the same vitriol towards Rangers, whose fans have a huge following among Northern Irish terrorist groups,  constantly sing vile songs about the Pope and the glorification in the deaths of thousands of Irishmen over several centuries, or their previous positive discrimination of not employing a Catholic for over 100 years or is all that ok just because they wave the Union Jack?

Absolutely, I loathe them equally as much as Celtic.

[cider-manc]

I dislike both Glaswegian clubs.

And this thread shows why perfectly.

You simply can't have a conversation about anything to do with them without it descending  into a political or religious argument. People support them from all over the world but many of them support because of Ideologies rather than having any connection to Glasgow, Scotland or even Ireland.

The standard of football is shite and Religious politics should have no place in football in a modern Britain. Frankly I don't understand why English football fans spend so much time talking about them.

 

 

[SARJ]

4 hours ago, harrys said:

Oh sarg, poor sarg, you obviously have problems trying to back up your statements with facts, again, where do you get your figures from, reading the Daily Mail again?

Hahaha good old OTIB, someone states something that is a widely held status quo (in this case, Celtic are a pro IRA leaning club) and someone with a differing view (that, apparently, Celtic actually aren't a majority pro-IRA leaning club) disagree and call you a liar purely because you can't back up your statement with bar charts and pie graphs.

It is internationally accepted that the Old Firm is the most hate filled derby in football due to cultural, religious and political divides on both sides of the fence. Can't imagine it gained that notoriety with only a handful of Celtic fans spouting IRA non-sense?

If I could be bothered, I'd back up my argument with countless Youtube video evidence of thousands upon thousands of Celtic fans holding up pro-terrorist banners, singing IRA songs and burning Union Jacks/Poppies but it's clear you still wouldn't accept that so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Natchfever]

33 minutes ago, cider-manc said:

I dislike both Glaswegian clubs.

And this thread shows why perfectly.

You simply can't have a conversation about anything to do with them without it descending  into a political or religious argument. People support them from all over the world but many of them support because of Ideologies rather than having any connection to Glasgow, Scotland or even Ireland.

The standard of football is shite and Religious politics should have no place in football in a modern Britain. Frankly I don't understand why English football fans spend so much time talking about them.

 

 

Possibly because in England we continue to have to watch that shite if nothing else is available, and short sighted money men in football clubs continue tio invite them south of the border for "friendlies"

[Norn Iron]

If only we had a City fan now living in Northern Ireland? Surely he or she would be able to say what it's like over here, I mean there?

[adamski]

1 hour ago, SARJ said:

Hahaha good old OTIB, someone states something that is a widely held status quo (in this case, Celtic are a pro IRA leaning club) and someone with a differing view (that, apparently, Celtic actually aren't a majority pro-IRA leaning club) disagree and call you a liar purely because you can't back up your statement with bar charts and pie graphs.

It is internationally accepted that the Old Firm is the most hate filled derby in football due to cultural, religious and political divides on both sides of the fence. Can't imagine it gained that notoriety with only a handful of Celtic fans spouting IRA non-sense?

If I could be bothered, I'd back up my argument with countless Youtube video evidence of thousands upon thousands of Celtic fans holding up pro-terrorist banners, singing IRA songs and burning Union Jacks/Poppies but it's clear you still wouldn't accept that so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Basically you are as bad as each other, cliche and generalisation vs counter generalisation. I do not believe for one minute that anywhere near a majority of Celtic fans are members of the Irish Brotherhood and that many actively support armed struggle in NI. I guess many don't remember it and hark back to it very much as the prods refer back to the Boyne!

all just horrendious, archaic, idiotic, irrelevant behaviour. If we are to move forward it's best just to forgive and forget!

don't do what the moronic Glasgow minorities do!

[Trueredsupporter]

25 minutes ago, adamski said:

Basically you are as bad as each other, cliche and generalisation vs counter generalisation. I do not believe for one minute that anywhere near a majority of Celtic fans are members of the Irish Brotherhood and that many actively support armed struggle in NI. I guess many don't remember it and hark back to it very much as the prods refer back to the Boyne!

all just horrendious, archaic, idiotic, irrelevant behaviour. If we are to move forward it's best just to forgive and forget!

don't do what the moronic Glasgow minorities do!

Sarj and others are pointing out what celtic allow their fan to do. Two kids saturday at Ashton Gate got arrested and will be probably banned for two smoke bombs (???), Celtic fans put on huge pro Ira displays and have been for years!!! facts . Again and again this goes on. How is it allowed? Why? Why don't this majority of Celtic fans say no?

[Big Nose]

On 01/08/2017 at 11:42, Esmond Million's Bung said:

I agree with most of what you say but sadly I believe that the club itself is reactive and not pro active where instances like this occur and even then the reaction is slow and usually fudged.

Now forgive me if I am looking in the wrong place but I cannot find anything on the club website or Scottish press condemning the actions of yes 'the few' but something that follows an all too familiar pattern with Celtic.

 

Not travelled much have you.

There is decades of shit going on here that date back to the hearth tax,

william cromwell etc.

Just be more mature than following your own media induced prejudices and look at the big picture

There are reasons for everything

 

 

 

 

 

[Esmond Million's Bung]

1 minute ago, Big Nose said:

Not travelled much have you.

There is decades of shit going on here that date back to the hearth tax,

william cromwell etc.

Just be more mature than following your own media induced prejudices and look at the big picture

There are reasons for everything

 

 

 

 

 

Prejudices?, you are talking right out of your arse.

I come from Irish/Scottish catholic stock, I just happen to see shit where it exists.

[Big Nose]

Just because you have a comedy name doesnt mean you can insult my arse.

I've been fighting facists all my life doesnt matter where they come from.

Get a grip man

 

[Esmond Million's Bung]

Just now, Big Nose said:

Just because you have a comedy name doesnt mean you can insult my arse.

I've been fighting facists all my life doesnt matter where they come from.

Get a grip man

 

Can insult your big nose then?.

And i've fighting the far left and and the far right all of my life.

Get a grip man.

[ballwinningcentrehalf]

There are certainly a few different elements to the home support at Celtic regarding the Green Brigade:

- Those that agree, to varying degrees, with their views and don't really mind what they display

- Those that believe they should be free to say what they want, although not necessarily agreeing with what they say 

- Those that are staunchly pro-Celtic and anti-everything else, the ones that believe every SFA/UEFA/Rangers conspiracy and will back what the GB do regardless of their beliefs for that reason

- Those that can't stand them, think they wield too much power and are a stain on the club

- And finally, (and the largest contingent, certainly in my experience anyway) are the ones that absolutely love the atmosphere they help create, love most of the displays, love the standing section, but cringe and bemoan the fact they frequently take it a level too far.

For what it's worth, I think the GB are brilliant when they stay within the lines, but I'd say they have been given too much leeway by the club and probably now have an inflated sense of their own importance. An overdue battle is coming with the club, as seen with the recent Green Brigade section ban (The largest part of the section has been closed for the last 2 home games, with fans in that section also banned from buying tickets for away games during that time). This battle will only get more intense unless the GB finds the right balance between supporting the club and wanting to spread their political beliefs and I can certainly see a mini-civil war breaking out if more of these incidents happen in the future.

Every fair-minded fan wants the Lee Rigby-singing cretins banned, but there is definitely a split in the opinions of whether the GB (and all fans) have the right to display their politics at football (regardless of whether they agree with what the GB say).

It's very easy for most of us to bemoan what they do as abhorrent, but both Celtic and Rangers are historically highly political and the whole situation can be ridiculously toxic.

[Sweeneys Penalties]

always interesting to see the Catholic/Celtic bashing people on this forum. I assume ex City hero Joe Jordan is among your targets? Just saying....

[Esmond Million's Bung]

7 minutes ago, Sweeneys Penalties said:

always interesting to see the Catholic/Celtic bashing people on this forum. I assume ex City hero Joe Jordan is among your targets? Just saying....

There has been some bashing from a few people.

But most of the bashing has been for the scumbags singing their sick song, the fact that they are catholic/Celtic is purely incidental as far as i'm concerned.

Also a lot of obvious Catholic/Celtic fans not condemning the incident just writing it off by claiming that Rangers are just as bad, as I am sure they are, but that is not what the thread is about.

[Sweeneys Penalties]

5 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

There has been some bashing from a few people.

But most of the bashing has been for the scumbags singing their sick song, the fact that they are catholic/Celtic is purely incidental as far as i'm concerned.

Also a lot of obvious Catholic/Celtic fans not condemning the incident just writing it off by claiming that Rangers are just as bad, as I am sure they are, but that is not what the thread is about.

I appreciate your comments my friend. Thank you. As a Catholic and a part time Celtic fan I've always urged my fellow fans to look to the future. The Battle of the Boyne is merely an incidental 300 odd years ago, and should have long since been faced up to and kicked to the dustbin of history

[TauntonTA2]

On 31/07/2017 at 13:25, yardy said:

Seen that, what a absolute moron. Should have been arrested for inciting trouble...

Yes, because wearing a Rangers shirt, miles from the ground, in a shop full of women and kids, should of got him arrested. It was the Celtic fans that made the detour to have a row, smashing the shop windows and chucking a flare into a shop full of women and kids.

#Helmet

[TauntonTA2]

On 31/07/2017 at 13:33, alexukhc said:

Agree, class A knob

Class A knob for speaking out over FGM, hate preaching in mosques, bombing of children, grooming gangs?? 

#AnotherHelmet

[yardy]

6 minutes ago, TauntonTA2 said:

Yes, because wearing a Rangers shirt, miles from the ground, in a shop full of women and kids, should of got him arrested. It was the Celtic fans that made the detour to have a row, smashing the shop windows and chucking a flare into a shop full of women and kids.

#Helmet

As far as i'm aware he was wearing a Rangers shirt in Sunderland before they played Celtic in a 'friendly' and announcing it on social media, if that ain't asking for trouble i don't know what is.

I actually agree with a lot he says and preaches so why the name calling?

[RumRed]

Let's move this to politics, it's got **** all to do with football.

[Sweeneys Penalties]

2 minutes ago, RumRed said:

Let's move this to politics, it's got **** all to do with football.

I agree and support your suggestion.

[TauntonTA2]

2 minutes ago, yardy said:

As far as i'm aware he was wearing a Rangers shirt in Sunderland before they played Celtic in a 'friendly' and announcing it on social media, if that ain't asking for trouble i don't know what is.

I actually agree with a lot he says and preaches so why the name calling?

You're right, he was wearing a Rangers top in Sunderland, which was miles from the ground, or where Celtic fans were. Does that amount to him inciting trouble??  He had received death threats and threats of violence against him days before the game. He did this for a "wind up" does, or should wearing a rival shirt incite violence? 

Apologies for the name calling.

[The Constant Rabbit]

I have no dog in this race, but would this be accepted at any other UK stadium? If you don't get #3 - google it.

Genuine question.

[Trueredsupporter]

13 hours ago, ballwinningcentrehalf said:

There are certainly a few different elements to the home support at Celtic regarding the Green Brigade:

- Those that agree, to varying degrees, with their views and don't really mind what they display

- Those that believe they should be free to say what they want, although not necessarily agreeing with what they say 

- Those that are staunchly pro-Celtic and anti-everything else, the ones that believe every SFA/UEFA/Rangers conspiracy and will back what the GB do regardless of their beliefs for that reason

- Those that can't stand them, think they wield too much power and are a stain on the club

- And finally, (and the largest contingent, certainly in my experience anyway) are the ones that absolutely love the atmosphere they help create, love most of the displays, love the standing section, but cringe and bemoan the fact they frequently take it a level too far.

For what it's worth, I think the GB are brilliant when they stay within the lines, but I'd say they have been given too much leeway by the club and probably now have an inflated sense of their own importance. An overdue battle is coming with the club, as seen with the recent Green Brigade section ban (The largest part of the section has been closed for the last 2 home games, with fans in that section also banned from buying tickets for away games during that time). This battle will only get more intense unless the GB finds the right balance between supporting the club and wanting to spread their political beliefs and I can certainly see a mini-civil war breaking out if more of these incidents happen in the future.

Every fair-minded fan wants the Lee Rigby-singing cretins banned, but there is definitely a split in the opinions of whether the GB (and all fans) have the right to display their politics at football (regardless of whether they agree with what the GB say).

It's very easy for most of us to bemoan what they do as abhorrent, but both Celtic and Rangers are historically highly political and the whole situation can be ridiculously toxic.

there is no conspiracy about the GB and their sinister views. they are proud of it. why did this pro terrorist group get their own section of the stadium in the first place???

 

 

[ballwinningcentrehalf]

2 minutes ago, Trueredsupporte said:

there is no conspiracy about the GB and their sinister views. they are proud of it. why did this pro terrorist group get their own section of the stadium in the first place???

From what I understand, it actually started when supporters started buying tickets in the same location to try and form a group that would create a better atmosphere at games.

As I said, I certainly feel like there is a split of opinion on whether there should be a definitive ban on them displaying any politics, but most would agree they have over-stretched the boundary on more than a couple of occasions. This has probably contributed to the clubs slow reaction on trying to control the GB.

There is also a sizeable element of the support that believes the board has been very slow (and not nearly vocal enough) in protecting the interests of the club in other respects - from the Rangers title stripping/EBT fiasco, to providing funds for managers, to certain stories in the MSM. This has certainly led to them treading cautiously in regards to their treatment of a section of the home crowd (in this instance the GB), because of this feeling.

TBF, it's such a horribly emotive issue whatever side you view it from. The board are taking action now, with section closures and individuals being banned, but they certainly deserve criticism for not acting assertively on the matter sooner.