BCFC Grim Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Kid in the Riot said: And we believe everything that LJ/the club says do we? The naivety of people on this forum astonishes me at times. We're about to lose probably our most important player at the club. Of course the club have to put some kind of spin on it. Spin? We don't have to sell? LJ stuck by him last season, howler after howler. So I don't think it's Johnson with the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Benni said: So you don't believe that Lee decided to sell Flint a long time ago? Reading between the lines the club decided to sell Flint when his agent made it known he'd like to explore opportunities elsewhere. Not sure how people can then attack the club based on that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benni Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: Indeed. Calling him a "good lad" is outrageous and outright vicious. Are you wholly sure you aren't just trying to find a reason to make it LJ's fault. I like Flint and don't begrudge him a move if he really wants one but, if he is not committwd to the cause, he has to take responsibility for that. Flint has not had his head turned, Lee has wanted him away for some time now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said: And we believe everything that LJ/the club says do we? The naivety of people on this forum astonishes me at times. We're about to lose probably our most important player at the club. Of course the club have to put some kind of spin on it. Interesting.. you clearly know a bit more than most about what happens at AG. Anything you can reveal? Surely LJ can't actually want rid of Flint?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Benni said: So you don't believe that Lee decided to sell Flint a long time ago? I expect we bought Baker when finding out Flint would be interested in exploring other options, better to get someone in then leave us in another Kodjia situation at the end of the window, if anything its smart work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 IF he wants to go, to earn more money, then hand in a transfer request and do it properly. Without 100% commitment, his game wouldn't be anywhere near the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 1 minute ago, Benni said: Flint has not had his head turned, Lee has wanted him away for some time now. And where is your proof of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benni Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Just now, BRISTOL86 said: Reading between the lines the club decided to sell Flint when his agent made it known he'd like to explore opportunities elsewhere. Not sure how people can then attack the club based on that.... So it's better to "read between the lines" than knowing what happened? A good one, keep it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, Benni said: So you don't believe that Lee decided to sell Flint a long time ago? LJ has played him in every single game possible. Stop talking shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Just now, Benni said: So it's better to "read between the lines" than knowing what happened? A good one, keep it up I'm confused. So you're saying it's not true that Flint's agent made it known to the club some time ago that they wanted to discuss a move elsewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted August 2, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, Benni said: So you don't believe that Lee decided to sell Flint a long time ago? No, but I am somewhat of a mind it's the other way, Flint wanting away from Lee............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 This guy was from Birmingham wasn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 5 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Interesting.. you clearly know a bit more than most about what happens at AG. Anything you can reveal? Surely LJ can't actually want rid of Flint?! I know a little yes. .. Benni knows more though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, Benni said: So you don't believe that Lee decided to sell Flint a long time ago? Think back to Nicky Maynard. If the player is still under contract it doesn't matter if the club want to sell and what fee is offered, if the player doesn't want to go he stays put. If the club wanted to sell Flint I presume that they have to tell the player he is being made available. If Flint didn't want to leave he only has to say thanks, but no thanks, and he stays for the remainder of his contract. Accordingly, I believe that this whole saga started with the player/his agent. The club has acted quickly and sensibly to address the loss of a key player by bringing in a replacement and avoiding what happened last year, when Kodjia left and we had no time to get in a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 I'm sure I speak for the majority of us mere mortals with no inside information when I say.... If you want to criticise people who don't know with patronising comments, actually share what you do know. There's nothing more irritating than 'I know something you don't know' and then refusing to elaborate. If you're not prepared to talk about what you do know then why be part of the discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 1 minute ago, BRISTOL86 said: I'm sure I speak for the majority of us mere mortals with no inside information when I say.... If you want to criticise people who don't know with patronising comments, actually share what you do know. There's nothing more irritating than 'I know something you don't know' and then refusing to elaborate. If you're not prepared to talk about what you do know then why be part of the discussion? all these rumours only appear when a manager is disliked, it happened with Cotts at the beginning it happened with McInnes, it happened with SoD, its as if people have an agenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 1 minute ago, BRISTOL86 said: I'm sure I speak for the majority of us mere mortals with no inside information when I say.... If you want to criticise people who don't know with patronising comments, actually share what you do know. There's nothing more irritating than 'I know something you don't know' and then refusing to elaborate. If you're not prepared to talk about what you do know then why be part of the discussion? I just ignore it. Nothing more boring than ' you haven't got a clue what's going on, I have, but not going to share it ' How can you even discuss it? Pointless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 3 minutes ago, BCFC Grim said: I just ignore it. Nothing more boring than ' you haven't got a clue what's going on, I have, but not going to share it ' How can you even discuss it? Pointless! the other point is if lee is desprate to get rid wouldn't he accept any bid rather then wait for one that matchs the clubs valuation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 5 minutes ago, Monkeh said: all these rumours only appear when a manager is disliked, it happened with Cotts at the beginning it happened with McInnes, it happened with SoD, its as if people have an agenda I'm not doubting that there is a lot more that goes on at a club than the average fan knows, but **** me it's boring when people just have a go at you for not knowing inside info but then refuse to actually discuss it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 I have no problem in any player wishing to move on for more money, if indeed that is the case here. We all know that contracts are not worth the paper ther're written on, and loyalty only exists when it is convenient. But I grow tired of the 'short career' nonsense. My heart does not bleed for them Footballers are not the only people who have 'short careers', in fact most professional sports men and women have them. The average professional footballer is paid significantly better than the average cricketer or rugby player (of either code), while golfers and tennis players don't earn at all unless they progress in their tournaments, and they pay their own travel and hotel bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthered Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Be gutted if Flinty goes but I will live... Be devastated if Bryan goes as we will struggle to replace him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 Funny how whenever a player wants to move on people are all of a sudden happy "to drive them there themselves" We got our money's worth out of flint and then some, wish him well ffs. He was never going to be here forever we are a small club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 4 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: I'm not doubting that there is a lot more that goes on at a club than the average fan knows, but **** me it's boring when people just have a go at you for not knowing inside info but then refuse to actually discuss it. Notice it's never inside information about how good the club is run either or how great the squad get on. It's always a negative thing they know. They love the gossip more than the football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 9 minutes ago, Benni said: Flint has not had his head turned, Lee has wanted him away for some time now. I'm not sure the two are mutually exclusive. As others have said elsewhere, Flint was a virtual ever present last season where we had three central defenders we could have legitimately picked instead. I do not see that as evidence LJ does not rate Flint. On the other hand, I find it plausible that LJ has been aware for some time Flint is not wholly committed to the cause and has decided it is time to plan without him. And - whilst this is wholly speculative - I find it plausible that Flint has found rumoured interest from West Brom, Burnley or even at one point Chelsea has turned into only a concrete bid from Birmingham and Flint now feels the club planning without him no longer want him and he has been cut adrift. None of this is necessarily a criticism of LJ or of Flint. LJ need not be dishonest about Flint having his head turned for Flint to feel unwanted. But it is a simple fact in any walk of life that someone who is committed and keen can easily make themselves indispensable. If someone gives the impression they want out, they can quickly find their manager feels the same. i think you are seeing conspiracy where there is merely cause and effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 I'm actually quite impressed how we've handled the situation. Get a replacement in (arguably better all round game) before we sell. We hold all the cards. Offer what we want or **** off. Watch us sell Bryan now....... #Johnsonout ( I feel I'm being too positive) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 31 minutes ago, Benni said: So it's better to "read between the lines" than knowing what happened? A good one, keep it up You don't know what happened though. I find it plausible you might have some insider info but what you will have is one person's account and that is always going to be spun or interpreted a particular way. Unless you happen to be the closest confidant of BOTH LJ and Flint then it is nonsensical to presume you have the full picture and understand both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windmillhillred Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 17 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: I have no problem in any player wishing to move on for more money, if indeed that is the case here. We all know that contracts are not worth the paper ther're written on, and loyalty only exists when it is convenient. But I grow tired of the 'short career' nonsense. My heart does not bleed for them Not sure anyone feels sorry for Flint. But it is natural that someone who has a very lucrative career for 15 years is going to seek to maximise his income for that period. He's not a City fan. Why should he be loyal to his employer any more than any of us should be if somebody offered to double (or whatever) our wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 1 hour ago, Benni said: It is amazing how Lee Johnson has managed to get supporters against Aden Flint. LJ's quote today is simply pathetic and an attack on a player who has always given 100% for the club. Are you the same Benni who seems to be a Cardiff City supporter on Twitter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco Rojo Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 I'm not sure its the 'cheek' of Flint that ***** me off with this - i have no problem with him wanting to try a new challenge elsewhere or earn more money (if money is what motivates him). What gets to me is the suggestion that it's his agent that has 'turned his head' by another club. Clearly the agent is only looking to cash in on Flints status. Agents are scum ruining this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted August 2, 2017 Report Share Posted August 2, 2017 16 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: You don't know what happened though. I find it plausible you might have some insider info but what you will have is one person's account and that is always going to be spun or interpreted a particular way. Unless you happen to be the closest confidant of BOTH LJ and Flint then it is nonsensical to presume you have the full picture and understand both sides. God I've missed you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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