Guest Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 So just where is pyro legal? http://z6.invisionfree.com/UltrasTifosi/ar/t6964.htm Looks like it's not as legal in Europe as some think? And something from the FSF on pyro: http://www.fsf.org.uk/blog/view/no-pyro-no-party The FSF piece is written by a lawyer who is on the side of fans and is explaining just how it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 On 08/08/2017 at 10:24, Phileas Fogg said: Well I'm glad the club have changed their stance from the preposterous idea of a 'lifetime ban'. Utterly absurd inordinate punishment. Whilst I think smoke bombs look great (I even like the smell!) I can understand others don't and the draconian punishments make bringing them to the stadium simply not worth it. There's a real gap in the market for a safe alternative.. a safe version that's as visually impressive and coordinated properly could be really good. There must be some budding chemists on OTIB that can devise a formula.. What, in a Breaking Bad sort of way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 No coincidence the police call them grenades and the club now call them bombs, while most people call them flares. No wonder it's not easy in this country to have a grown-up, objective conversation about anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SARJ Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 Guarantee most people on this thread have seen videos online of Borussia Dortmund's 'Yellow Wall' and commented online, or at least said to a mate, how mint it looks. Fans passionately bouncing up and down, pyro going off everywhere, hundreds of flags, the actual stadium moving and shaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 32 minutes ago, SARJ said: Guarantee most people on this thread have seen videos online of Borussia Dortmund's 'Yellow Wall' and commented online, or at least said to a mate, how mint it looks. Fans passionately bouncing up and down, pyro going off everywhere, hundreds of flags, the actual stadium moving and shaking. it does look impressive but its still illegal in this country so we can't use it full stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 11, 2017 Report Share Posted August 11, 2017 36 minutes ago, SARJ said: Guarantee most people on this thread have seen videos online of Borussia Dortmund's 'Yellow Wall' and commented online, or at least said to a mate, how mint it looks. Fans passionately bouncing up and down, pyro going off everywhere, hundreds of flags, the actual stadium moving and shaking. Impressive stuff. By inventing football we also invented football supporter culture which other nations have modified. Funny how our football supporter culture is one of the most heavily regulated against in the world. I much prefer the English style of spontaneous chanting and individualism. Find all that organised ultra stuff from Europe and turkey a bit fake. I'd much rather the atmosphere at Ashton Gate for a Bristol Derby in the second leg of the playoffs to Dortmund or somewhere. It's far more impressive when it's spontaneous and crowd mood led. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finbarr_in_z Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 On 08/08/2017 at 17:27, bcfcfinker said: So just where is pyro legal? http://z6.invisionfree.com/UltrasTifosi/ar/t6964.htm Looks like it's not as legal in Europe as some think? ....but it still goes off big time: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40931750 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 6 hours ago, finbarr_in_z said: ....but it still goes off big time: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40931750 Blaming the fire ain't gonna work mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foghornred Posted August 15, 2017 Report Share Posted August 15, 2017 They are BANNED for a reason they are dangerous and don't add anything to the game so don't bring them to any match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 6 hours ago, Threshing Red said: Blaming the fire ain't gonna work mate I bet he's crap a BBQs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 So the mindless morons who are determined to bring my club into disrepute are still at it. 3 games and 3 smoke bombs. I can only pray that the referees have not all included the incidents in their match reports. If this persists, I predict this illegal act wii cost us a points deduction by the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 18 hours ago, Threshing Red said: Blaming the fire ain't gonna work mate Perhaps his mate has spontaneously combusted… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 18 hours ago, Threshing Red said: Blaming the fire ain't gonna work mate It's the worlds least convincing Game of Thrones 'cosplay' ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 @RoystonFoote'snephew Wait, this happened at Birmingham and Brentford? Link? Are you sure? First I've seen or heard of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: @RoystonFoote'snephew Wait, this happened at Birmingham and Brentford? Link? Are you sure? First I've seen or heard of this. Absolutely. Police caught the perpetrator at Brum, but not sure if they got the person last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 minute ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: Absolutely. Police caught the perpetrator at Brum, but not sure if they got the person last night. Any links or? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Any links or? No links, just my senses of sight and smell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 1 minute ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said: No links, just my senses of sight and smell. Well I wasn't at Birmingham. Seems to have been hushed up..doesn't bother me either way but surprised it's been kept so quiet at 2 away games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
class not gas Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Yes I was at both games and there were flares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 26 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Well I wasn't at Birmingham. Seems to have been hushed up..doesn't bother me either way but surprised it's been kept so quiet at 2 away games. It may reflect the nature of the fans present. The 3 Lions flag day saw smoke grenades and flares used. It does not seem to have had a mention on the forum either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 23 minutes ago, class not gas said: Yes I was at both games and there were flares. No flares, just smokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 There was smoke after the first goal last night. The fuzz were filming it and the blokes in blue tabards were looking around furtively. Didn't see anyone get tagged though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Island Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 There was smoke after the first goal last night. Bag checks and pat downs were happening on the way in so the perp must've stuffed it up his ass to smuggle it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Cowshed said: It may reflect the nature of the fans present. The 3 Lions flag day saw smoke grenades and flares used. It does not seem to have had a mention on the forum either. Flares at the 3 Lions flag day are a bit different to flares inside Ashton Gate Stadium......although the Police will have plenty of video footage taken on West Street, which they may use to connect someone using flares at both locations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 21 minutes ago, RedLionLad said: Flares at the 3 Lions flag day are a bit different to flares inside Ashton Gate Stadium......although the Police will have plenty of video footage taken on West Street, which they may use to connect someone using flares at both locations. Not the point being made. It was the lack of comment on this forum at different events - Different culture, different views, different nature of fans and acceptance of what occurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieH Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 Can Confirm there were 3 smoke grenades at Birmingham. Caught on cctv and I understand 2 males arrested . Awaiting update from west mids as to result of process. there was also a further smoke grenade on the first goal at Brentford from city fans. I was at the front and can confirm the smoke was pretty dense with 2 persons needing first aid for breathing difficulties. CCTV is being reviewed to day. this is in spite of searches and sniffer dogs on entry. as it stands Bristol city have the worst record in the league for these items, I have read this thread and fully appreciate differing views on this items however as the law stands possession of a smoke grenade/ flare at a regulated football match is an arrest able offence. The circumstances of each possession are assessed prior to arrest by the detaining officer and if charged there is every likelihood of a 3 year football ban in court. This has massive ramifications on anyone . i would urge anyone considering taking one of these in to add to the atmosphere to think again. Just cheer louder or sing longer, you will not end up with a football ban then. ! Sorry to seem to be a moaning Minnie, i don't mean it to but away games now could see enhanced searching, which was obviously takes time and effects 99% of the crowd who are innocent for 1% who have a smoke grenade canister secreted somewhere!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mkelly Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 To make it clear. The club has already received a formal warning from the FA. The next one will be a fine. The club may still receive one for Birmingham and Brentford. The club will be punished for the act of a minority of fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 If this happens much more the stands may start 'self policing' which is not a great idea. Will bring a whole new meaning to blowing smoke up someone's ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E.G.Red Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 23 minutes ago, Mkelly said: To make it clear. The club has already received a formal warning from the FA. The next one will be a fine. The club may still receive one for Birmingham and Brentford. The club will be punished for the act of a minority of fans. So 3 games in and we are already on the FA watch list. I fail to understand why some of our fans can't get it into their head that taking flares into a stadium in the UK is illegal and the culprit if found liable to a ban. I like the flares they add to the atmosphere but there is no way I would risk being banned from watching the team I love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevP Posted August 16, 2017 Report Share Posted August 16, 2017 3 hours ago, JulieH said: Can Confirm there were 3 smoke grenades at Birmingham. Caught on cctv and I understand 2 males arrested . Awaiting update from west mids as to result of process. there was also a further smoke grenade on the first goal at Brentford from city fans. I was at the front and can confirm the smoke was pretty dense with 2 persons needing first aid for breathing difficulties. CCTV is being reviewed to day. this is in spite of searches and sniffer dogs on entry. as it stands Bristol city have the worst record in the league for these items, I have read this thread and fully appreciate differing views on this items however as the law stands possession of a smoke grenade/ flare at a regulated football match is an arrest able offence. The circumstances of each possession are assessed prior to arrest by the detaining officer and if charged there is every likelihood of a 3 year football ban in court. This has massive ramifications on anyone . i would urge anyone considering taking one of these in to add to the atmosphere to think again. Just cheer louder or sing longer, you will not end up with a football ban then. ! Sorry to seem to be a moaning Minnie, i don't mean it to but away games now could see enhanced searching, which was obviously takes time and effects 99% of the crowd who are innocent for 1% who have a smoke grenade canister secreted somewhere!!! At Birmingham the stewards weren't checking under 16s going into the ground. They asked if the supporters were under 16. If they said they were, they were let in without being frisked.. That's where your "grenades/bombs" come in from. Hardly rocket science is it ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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