Forever Red 94 Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 Obviously a decent footballer, and technically sound. But you wont convince me he is a cb. To weak for his size and not clever enough, brums second goal, once the player went inside he needed to fly out to challenge him and take him out if he needed to or drop and defend the space he was trying to attack. In the end he did neither and the player waltzed past him to have a pop at goal. Baker needs to partner wright for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 Here we go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastside Moonwalker Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 Stop scapegoating players after one poor game, Hegler is a good CB, the team as a collective were poor today , he'll eventually be phased out for Baker anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT The Optimist Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 No. Not here we go. Sat in Bull ring annoyed we lost. Good footballer. Not a CB. Suspect Barker will be about Tuesday. Not powerful in air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Red 94 Posted August 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 Im not scapegoating anybody, but he clearly isnt a cb, struggle when barnsley put him under pressure and struggled under pressure today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Eastside Moonwalker said: Stop scapegoating players after one poor game, Hegler is a good CB, the team as a collective were poor today , he'll eventually be phased out for Baker anyway He's a good-ish midfielder imo, no evidence he's a good CB. Baker should have started instead of him today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leadman Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 we still should have got something out of today,imho, bobby has 3 goals but missed 2 sitters, should have added the 2nd early on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 LET THE SCAPEGOATING..... BEGIN!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leadman Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 well bailey wright needs to stop giving stupid free kicks away, prefer brownhill in the middle, patto was inefective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 If we want a ball playing centre half who brings the ball out of defence, all well and good, but any CB at Championship level must also be defensively competent, and physically able to hold his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT The Optimist Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 Not a matter scape goating. Just a fact. Equally Bobby should have scored at least one in second half. Birmingham fans were very complimentary saying what a good side we have, and they are right. Annoyed my Mrs cleaned me out in shops as Brum got 3 points should have been ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 Think he OP is entitled to their opinion FFS! Personally I don't like it when you can't identify a players natural position. The saying 'Jack of all trades, master of none' comes to mind! Its ok I guess when a player is filling in for a game or two so hopefully the Baker and Wright partnership can commence in the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 minute ago, formerly known as ivan said: Think he OP is entitled to their opinion FFS! Personally I don't like it when you can't identify a players natural position. The saying 'Jack of all trades, master of none' comes to mind! Its ok I guess when a player is filling in for a game or two so hopefully the Baker and Wright partnership can commence in the week. Not difficult with Hegeler - midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastside Moonwalker Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 9 minutes ago, leadman said: we still should have got something out of today,imho, bobby has 3 goals but missed 2 sitters, should have added the 2nd early on We played terrible second half, completely different team compared to the first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 The votes are coming in for Scapegoat of the Match ; It's Frankie in third place, just failing to hold on to second . Young Bobby misses out on first ,putting his votes just wide but the winner is Jens Hegeler . Well done Jens . Nobody wants cultivated footballers at Centre Back . Hack"em down and welly it is what we want , none of this fancy Dan passing . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, DT The Optimist said: Not a matter scape goating. Just a fact. Equally Bobby should have scored at least one in second half. Birmingham fans were very complimentary saying what a good side we have, and they are right. Annoyed my Mrs cleaned me out in shops as Brum got 3 points should have been ours. 1 minute ago, formerly known as ivan said: Think he OP is entitled to their opinion FFS! Personally I don't like it when you can't identify a players natural position. The saying 'Jack of all trades, master of none' comes to mind! Its ok I guess when a player is filling in for a game or two so hopefully the Baker and Wright partnership can commence in the week. To be fair, I entirely agree that Hegeler is not the answer at Centre Half. But to be fair I don't think Johnson does either, or he wouldn't have bought Baker. But after Barnsley he wasn't going to change much, especially at the back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyed Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 10 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: He's a good-ish midfielder imo, no evidence he's a good CB. Baker should have started instead of him today. Even though Baker went off with cramp 4 days ago? Is that really enough time to recover to play 90 minutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 Lots of people in this thread seeming to struggle with what a scapegoat is. He doesn't look a particularly comfortable centre half to me as he doesn't have the right positional instinct (not surprising given he's rarely played there). I think he should be battling for a midfield slot with Smith and Pack. That's not his fault, and I can't see anybody saying it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Red 94 Posted August 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Not difficult with Hegeler - midfield. Agreed, think he would work well at the base of a 3 man midfield with smith and brownhill either side of him to do his running. His football ability would allow him to control the game there. He just doesnt have the strength and presence of.mind to play cb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 minute ago, chipdawg said: To be fair, I entirely agree that Hegeler is not the answer at Centre Half. But to be fair I don't think Johnson does either, or he wouldn't have bought Baker. But after Barnsley he wasn't going to change much, especially at the back You're being overly fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Buckeyed said: Even though Baker went off with cramp 4 days ago? Is that really enough time to recover to play 90 minutes? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 Just now, Nibor said: Lots of people in this thread seeming to struggle with what a scapegoat is. He doesn't look a particularly comfortable centre half to me as he doesn't have the right positional instinct (not surprising given he's rarely played there). I think he should be battling for a midfield slot with Smith and Pack. That's not his fault, and I can't see anybody saying it is. Well I will say it, I agree fully with you on this one, he is not a scapegoat and he is only a stop gap centre back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever Red 94 Posted August 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: The votes are coming in for Scapegoat of the Match ; It's Frankie in third place, just failing to hold on to second . Young Bobby misses out on first ,putting his votes just wide but in the winner is Jens Hegeler . Well done Jens . Nobody wants cultivated footballers at Centre Back . Hack"em down and welly it is what we want , none of this fancy Dan passing . Having a ball playing centre half is all well and good but whats the point if he cant hold his own physically. If its a choice between take the player out or.let him waltz in for a free shot its take him out every time for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: You're being overly fair. You're right to be fair. I withdraw at least one of those 'to be fairs' To be fair though, I was trying to be fair to everyone. Which, to be fair, is pretty difficult Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 For those of you who don't know what a skategoat is ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 I believe Hegeler should be playing Pack's position not Baker's . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 4 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: I believe Hegeler should be playing Pack's position not Baker's . And I believe I can fly. Swings and roundabouts I guess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 40 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: The votes are coming in for Scapegoat of the Match ; It's Frankie in third place, just failing to hold on to second . Young Bobby misses out on first ,putting his votes just wide but the winner is Jens Hegeler . Well done Jens . Nobody wants cultivated footballers at Centre Back . Hack"em down and welly it is what we want , none of this fancy Dan passing . Callum O'Dowda is the new title holder, judging by the match thread. To be fair it was vacant since the departure of Mark Little, so it's about time it was filled. Matty Taylor has some work to do when he gets fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RT's Vaseline Tub Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 Helps if you can spell his name properly before you post a topic about him. German football is nowhere near as physical so he's still adapting as shown by the Club bulking him up over the Summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyed Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 50 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Yes. I disagree - he's not fit enough to play 90 minutes against Plymouth so up against quick paced players like Adams he would have struggled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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