Septic Peg Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/15465686.__39_Peter_Pan__39__Albi_aims_to_keep_on_firing_for_Wanderers_at_37/ Not too happy with LJ by the sounds of that though have to agree, LJ told him the score... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Was about to post this myself. Surprisingly interesting story in the post and surprisingly candid by Wilbraham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Interesting. Also another good example of how a local paper can write about their team without resorting to clickbait shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Not sure I'm reading the same thing. Sounds fine; just assertive that he wants to keep playing. I dont infer he's unhappy with Johnson, indeed even says he was clearly trying to keep him around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Evil Post in 'Manager telling 36yr old striker the truth' shocker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 I personally can't see Johnson done anything wrong. He told the player he wasn't in his plans as a player. But happy for him to be a part of the squad and part of his coaching staff. Which wilbs accepted. Then Bolton came calling and wilbs has got what he wants. As much as I like wilbs . As a team we got to look forward. IMO Johnson got this right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Just now, GrahamC said: Interesting. Also another good example of how a local paper can write about their team without resorting to clickbait shite. Hopefully their learning. Surprised Wilbs has broken ranks a bit here; maybe as an older pro he feels he has less to lose. Reading between the lines he was pretty pissed off by this man management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SedRA Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Phileas Fogg said: Hopefully their learning. Surprised Wilbs has broken ranks a bit here; maybe as an older pro he feels he has less to lose. Reading between the lines he was pretty pissed off by this man management. Fair enough if he had problems with other things LJ has done but he hasn't put forward particularly strong evidence here. Sounds like LJ was being upfront with him and making sure he knew what sort of involvement he'd have this season. My guess is there is some bitterness about other events which Wilbs hasn't mentioned for him to come out with this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devereux Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 That is going to be Wilbs view of course it is, he would rather be told he has a chance of playing more. However, LJ is just being honest with him in his thinking, and inevitably if we have 5 strikers and one is 37 he should play less (barring injury and form). I think managers win more respect from players by being honest like this rather than trying to keep everyone happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Lee Johnson was trying to let him down gently and give him an opportunity to look at future career options, yeah, sounds like he really hated him. FFS...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, RedSA said: Fair enough if he had problems with other things LJ has done but he hasn't put forward particularly strong evidence here. Sounds like LJ was being upfront with him and making sure he knew what sort of involvement he'd have this season. My guess is there is some bitterness about other events which Wilbs hasn't mentioned for him to come out with this... Yeah, I don't think LJ did anything wrong and that's not what I'm saying. People have got the wrong end of the stick on this thread. Disregarding what people think about Wilbs playing time, it's interesting that he's broken ranks a bit. Usually players don't reveal much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashtonwurzel Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Devereux said: That is going to be Wilbs view of course it is, he would rather be told he has a chance of playing more. However, LJ is just being honest with him in his thinking, and inevitably if we have 5 strikers and one is 37 he should play less (barring injury and form). I think managers win more respect from players by being honest like this rather than trying to keep everyone happy. Some might say that this is a case of good man management. Employee fully aware of his potential role and responsibilities within the company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxo Jr. Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Yeah, what terrible man management. Offering a 37 year old who didn't play very often last season a contract extension and a route into coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Phileas Fogg said: Yeah, I don't think LJ did anything wrong and that's not what I'm saying. Disregarding what peoplee think about Wilbs playing time, it's interesting that he's broken ranks a bit. Usually players don't reveal much. I get your point. I think there is an inference to be drawn here and the one I draw is that Wilbs isn't an LJ fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Fordy62 said: I get your point. I think there is an inference to be drawn here and the one I draw is that Wilbs isn't an LJ fan. In his departure interview he alluded to this. I could just tell from his tone he didn't feel particular warmth towards LJ. I can see the positives he brings to the side but it was right to let him go and play, I also think it's right for LJ to be frank with him about it. Doesn't mean Wilbs isn't annoyed by it whether he's right to be or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 I've just read that and a no point whatsoever does it suggest that he was upset, in any way, by LJ..?! I think we showed a lot of class in releasing him from his newly signed contract, so that he could get some more playing time elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Fairly obvious to everyone he wasn't going to get much game time here this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, Super said: Fairly obvious to everyone he wasn't going to get much game time here this season. Having let Engvall go and with no other senior striker available, if he was still with us then he would have been ideal to have come on on Saturday at 1-1.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Remember that he was signed by cotts so probably preferred him as a manager. However, i am reading nothing negative in this article. we behaved fairly and so did wilbs. Sounds like everyone is happy to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastside Moonwalker Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Maybe Wilbs just didn't want to end up the way of Wade Elliot? Phased out into coaching when he probably could've played for a few more clubs lower down the leagues I don't think the article reads like theres bad blood anywhere, Wilbs wanted to play but LJ can't afford to give him too many minutes due to the fact hes 37 and we have a young team of players who are obviously going to start ahead of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipps69 Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 9 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I get your point. I think there is an inference to be drawn here and the one I draw is that Wilbs isn't an LJ fan. If that's the case then best that 'Albi' moved on then but if LJ didn't like 'Albi', then why would he bother offering him a new contract with coaching responsibilities when his contract has run out? We wouldn't of had to pay 'Albi' anything to move on so no issues financially to the club. If 'Albi' genuinely believes he should still be playing regularly at Championship level then I don't think there's many City fans who would agree that he should be doing that here, we are progressing as a club & are in a position to spend the money necessary to improve our squad. I would suggest that the only Championship club that would sign 'Albi' is / was Bolton because they aren't in a position to spend any money on new players & with every other club being able to spend money to improve their squads, 'Albi' would be at the bottom of any Championship clubs possible signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welcome To The Jungle Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Sounds almost like Wilbs was just giving LJ some advice. Don't tell players that they're probably not going to play as they'll stop trying. Seems simple enough to me, and no bad blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishy Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Septic Peg said: http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/15465686.__39_Peter_Pan__39__Albi_aims_to_keep_on_firing_for_Wanderers_at_37/ Not too happy with LJ by the sounds of that though have to agree, LJ told him the score... There's absolutely nothing in that article that suggests he wasn't happy with LJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loco Rojo Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, Welcome To The Jungle said: Sounds almost like Wilbs was just giving LJ some advice. Don't tell players that they're probably not going to play as they'll stop trying. Seems simple enough to me, and no bad blood. If a player stops putting the effort when they are told they're not going to play much then i'm not sure they have the right mental attitude or determination/drive to step up to the challenge. (not suggesting this of Wilbs but if there are players in the game like that, that cant be good). Sounds like he made the right choice for himself if he wanted to play more than LJ suggested he would here, which you cant fault at all. Personally, I think LJ did exactly the right thing by being up front and honest with him. Imagine the criticism he'd have got if he'd said Wilbs would have played every game and then didnt play him. OTIB would have had a melt down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 37 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Having let Engvall go and with no other senior striker available, if he was still with us then he would have been ideal to have come on on Saturday at 1-1.. I agree with that but obviously he wants more than the odd 15-20 mins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said: Hopefully their learning. Surprised Wilbs has broken ranks a bit here; maybe as an older pro he feels he has less to lose. Reading between the lines he was pretty pissed off by this man management. I just saw whitespace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 50 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: Remember that he was signed by cotts so probably preferred him as a manager. However, i am reading nothing negative in this article. we behaved fairly and so did wilbs. Sounds like everyone is happy to me. I didn't read anything negative either, he got given a new contract and the chance to get into a coaching role here (would have been long gone if Johnson wanted him gone and didn't want him here). Got offered a chance to get more game time elsewhere, so agreed to go to Bolton by all parties. Cannot see any issue at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 51 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Having let Engvall go and with no other senior striker available, if he was still with us then he would have been ideal to have come on on Saturday at 1-1.. What are you CRAZY???? 1-1 away from home and the opposition getting on top, what you do is sling on two lightweight wingers.... you ignore your tiring number 9 and leave him on. Don't you know that experience is BAD??? Seriously, there's nothing wrong here, by the sounds of it, in what LJ has said. His mistake is not retaining Wilbs who could have justified a place in the 18 each week - he would've been perfect on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SStandUp Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 Unnecessary from Wilbs in my opinion. Johnson was just telling him the score and being realistic and honest. Johnson has spoken so highly of Wilbs that this will probably be a bit of a blow to LJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted August 14, 2017 Report Share Posted August 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said: Hopefully their learning. Surprised Wilbs has broken ranks a bit here; maybe as an older pro he feels he has less to lose. Reading between the lines he was pretty pissed off by this man management. Can't agree with that. You are reading the article and making assumptions that are probably totally unjustified. For once I'm on Johnson's side. There isn't any hidden agenda here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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