cidered abroad Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 37 minutes ago, RumRed said: Prem football is rarely sustainable with 27k capacity. WBA, Swansea, Burnley, Watford, Bournemouth, Stoke City appear to be having a good go with capacities of 27,000 or below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 33 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Good post. We need to be careful what we wish for. To overperform (as we did in 2008) and get within sight of promotion before we have the squad and resources to sustain could be disastrous. Look how the club got it wrong after 2008/9: when we should have been gradually building a squad we started throwing money at big name signings which ultimately backfired on us big time. The key for me is how long we can hold on to the good players, because I have no doubt in my own mind that the likes of Brownhill, O'Dowda, Brian and even Vyner and Hinds are going to be very good players indeed in three years' time. A comfortable mid-table finish is what we need this season and might be better than sneaking into the play-offs at the moment. And that is the problem in 3 years time we could be back in the first division, we have had 2 near misses and I personally see another struggle this season. This season I believe that we have improved the defence, especially full backs Bryan has improved and Pisano appears to be an upgrade. But we have yet again singularly failed to address our main problem which is our unfit for purpose midfield, the last 2 games should serve as a wake up call in that regard. Against Birmingham we saw a game where we started brightly but gradually gave up midfield control to a very average team and were then bullied, on Tuesday again we did what was needed against a team low on confidence and got the early goal and then immediately surrendered the middle third of the pitch, both had unbelievable echoes of last seasons away games. it doesn't help playing 2 of our midfield 4 out of position, unless LJ sees this I see another struggle. it's great purring about loads of young players on the horizon and in fact there are others that you haven't mentioned, but we desperately need a couple of championship ready players especially in midfield or we will struggle. On Saturday I would drop Brownhill and Patterson and bring in ODowda and Eliasson, yes it's a risk (no more than playing the other 2 both out of position) but at least it will be a midfield where all 4 will be in their specialist positions, somebody mentioned that having been booked 2 matches in a row that Pack is banned for 1 game, if that is correct replace him with Hegeler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiled Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 Great article @The Exiled Robin It will be very interesting to see whether Woodrow can do something for us. The same goal return as he managed at Burton would be ideal. I'm also interested to hear what supporters of teams who actually know the player have to say about them. This quote from the Fulham blogger is interesting: Quote He's got fairly good technical skills, and ideally he needs to be paired with another forward in a 4-4-2. If you have a speedier technical player Woodrow can combine well with him. If you have a bigger forward, he can float around and find space and combine with other players in the attack. From that description he could probably play alongside Reid or Deidhiou - could give us some very useful options when the game needs changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City1984 Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 49 minutes ago, RumRed said: Prem football is rarely sustainable with 27k capacity. Cant agree with that. Plenty of teams do fine with smaller stadia. Most revenue surely comes from TV deals, sponsors etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 17 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: WBA, Swansea, Burnley, Watford, Bournemouth, Stoke City appear to be having a good go with capacities of 27,000 or below. Bugger, that's me with my assumptions again, knew I should have checked wiki! Really thought Stoke's ground was bigger than that but last time I was there I was exceedingly drunk in a Corporate Box, I probably estimated it at 54k that day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 1 hour ago, RumRed said: I am only projecting but I guess LJ is happy to tow this line rather some of the more experienced managers who will only accept a full on push to the Prem, he just needs to make sure we're not flirting with bloody L1 again. To be honest I don't know what I want, I obviously want to see City play the best but I would be worried at what the true cost would be. Prem football is rarely sustainable with 27k capacity. Revenue through the turnstiles are only pocket money to premier league sides.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxo Jr. Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Dullmoan Tone said: Andre Gray...Harry Maguire...Britt Assombalonga... Two of those suggestions moved to the Premier League when we were linked, and have both made moves in the next season to a better Premier League club. The other one is basically the equivalent of Jordan Rhodes or Ross McCormack, i.e the Championship level striker that everyone goes for, and therefore we have little chance of getting. It's not a lack of ambition from the club that we can't make these signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 87 Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 2 hours ago, 054123 said: I dont disagree with the sentiment. I just never feel like we sign players will help win promotion. Would you have said this time last year that Huddersfield had signed the players to challenge for promotion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkRed! Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 I think it is shrewd signing. You dont play international football without some sort of pedigree, particularly given the number of good young English players at this level. I dont think he has really had the chances at Fulham and I would agree that the way they play does not suit his style. Could be a good move. Not sure I agree about Engvall.... if the Swedish league is so pants why on earth sign Eliasson. Engvall has looked good when I have seen him.... last time at Cheltenham (pre-season).... I would have liked to have seen him given a chance. He has not really had that... has he? Johnson said on his return that his stats put him up there with the players we are in for signing. Not sure what the issue is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 4 hours ago, Major Isewater said: I believe this is a no lose situation for City . The player coming in knows that competition will be strong when all our forwards are fit and has been given a chance to prove himself and earn a contract if he does. His record is reasonable and he can still improve. If it doesn't work out he goes back to his parent club and City aren't lumbered with a player on a long contract . Or he gets publicly slated by the gaffer after his first game, loses all semblance of confidence and is total pants for the rest of the season. Just saying not being negative. November 5th is coming. Where is that Swedish beer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 4 hours ago, robinreliant said: Fulham not that complimentary then. But Burton wanted him back and are disappointed not to. He was instrumental in them staying up. He's at an age where he can develop and improve. We haven't been that successful in recent times with strikers (Tammy and Wilbs apart) Hope he does well with us. We will see. Kodjia, Baldock, Maynard... ironically it's probably only been our promotion & play off seasons that we have NOT had a star striker, although of course Wilbs got 20 in the double winning season, that was hugely unexpected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 4 hours ago, 054123 said: I dont disagree with the sentiment. I just never feel like we sign players will help win promotion. We need to build. If we wanted to buy players good enough to go up they'd be £10-£15m at today's prices. SL has said plenty of times the club needs to stand on its own feet . It will be slow burner , as long as we see progression each season I'm happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yipikiaye Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 Fantastic signing can't wait to see you in action Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
... Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 1 hour ago, havanatopia said: Or he gets publicly slated by the gaffer after his first game, loses all semblance of confidence and is total pants for the rest of the season. Just saying not being negative. November 5th is coming. Where is that Swedish beer? Come on now. Let bygones be bygones. We are all friends on OTIB (now get the ******* Match Thread ready). tfj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinreliant Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Bar BS3 said: Kodjia, Baldock, Maynard... ironically it's probably only been our promotion & play off seasons that we have NOT had a star striker, although of course Wilbs got 20 in the double winning season, that was hugely unexpected. Sorry I should have mentioned Kodja. Big disappointment when he left. We wouldn't have struggled if he had stayed I'm pretty sure of that. Yeh we've had good strikers but they've all wanted to bugger of for one reason and another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinreliant Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 1 minute ago, robinreliant said: Sorry I should have mentioned Kodja. Big disappointment when he left. We wouldn't have struggled if he had stayed I'm pretty sure of that. Yeh we've had good strikers but they've all wanted to bugger off for one reason and another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 6 hours ago, RumRed said: I am only projecting but I guess LJ is happy to tow this line rather some of the more experienced managers who will only accept a full on push to the Prem, he just needs to make sure we're not flirting with bloody L1 again. To be honest I don't know what I want, I obviously want to see City play the best but I would be worried at what the true cost would be. Prem football is rarely sustainable with 27k capacity. the pay on the day money is now only a small part of revenue for prem clubs these days, Bournemouth and Swansea have much smaller grounds, and ours would be on a par with almost half the clubs currently in the top flight, I agree competing with arsenal man utd Tottenham etc is a pipe dream, though Leicester fans probably thought the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 5 hours ago, RumRed said: Bugger, that's me with my assumptions again, knew I should have checked wiki! Really thought Stoke's ground was bigger than that but last time I was there I was exceedingly drunk in a Corporate Box, I probably estimated it at 54k that day! drink doubles, see double!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 4 hours ago, Luxo Jr. said: Two of those suggestions moved to the Premier League when we were linked, and have both made moves in the next season to a better Premier League club. The other one is basically the equivalent of Jordan Rhodes or Ross McCormack, i.e the Championship level striker that everyone goes for, and therefore we have little chance of getting. It's not a lack of ambition from the club that we can't make these signings. Given their performance for their current clubs they haven't exactly been value for money either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 5 hours ago, RumRed said: Bugger, that's me with my assumptions again, knew I should have checked wiki! Really thought Stoke's ground was bigger than that but last time I was there I was exceedingly drunk in a Corporate Box, I probably estimated it at 54k that day! This is not a test of whom you support but were there any locked out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 7 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: What, you mean since we signed a bunch of players three years ago who helped us win promotion? Yes, I meant as opposed to our periodic jump out of division 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 7 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Like who ? Anyone. I cant think of a single signing since our return that has made me think we were serious about promotion. As rumred as said, I don't mind if that's not the aim either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 4 hours ago, Red Army 87 said: Would you have said this time last year that Huddersfield had signed the players to challenge for promotion? Absolutely not. Good point, we shall just a Huddersfield then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxo Jr. Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 53 minutes ago, 054123 said: Anyone. I cant think of a single signing since our return that has made me think we were serious about promotion. As rumred as said, I don't mind if that's not the aim either. Like who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey54 Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 8 hours ago, RumRed said: I am only projecting but I guess LJ is happy to tow this line rather some of the more experienced managers who will only accept a full on push to the Prem, he just needs to make sure we're not flirting with bloody L1 again. To be honest I don't know what I want, I obviously want to see City play the best but I would be worried at what the true cost would be. Prem football is rarely sustainable with 27k capacity. Prem football is rarely sustainable with 27k capacity Bournemouth? Same sort of crowds as the sags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 87 Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 1 hour ago, 054123 said: Absolutely not. Good point, we shall just a Huddersfield then. Expect the unexpected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 8 hours ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: And that is the problem in 3 years time we could be back in the first division, we have had 2 near misses and I personally see another struggle this season. This season I believe that we have improved the defence, especially full backs Bryan has improved and Pisano appears to be an upgrade. But we have yet again singularly failed to address our main problem which is our unfit for purpose midfield, the last 2 games should serve as a wake up call in that regard. Against Birmingham we saw a game where we started brightly but gradually gave up midfield control to a very average team and were then bullied, on Tuesday again we did what was needed against a team low on confidence and got the early goal and then immediately surrendered the middle third of the pitch, both had unbelievable echoes of last seasons away games. it doesn't help playing 2 of our midfield 4 out of position, unless LJ sees this I see another struggle. it's great purring about loads of young players on the horizon and in fact there are others that you haven't mentioned, but we desperately need a couple of championship ready players especially in midfield or we will struggle. On Saturday I would drop Brownhill and Patterson and bring in ODowda and Eliasson, yes it's a risk (no more than playing the other 2 both out of position) but at least it will be a midfield where all 4 will be in their specialist positions, somebody mentioned that having been booked 2 matches in a row that Pack is banned for 1 game, if that is correct replace him with Hegeler. Quite right EMB, if you see my previous post on the match day thread , you will see that I said exactly what you are saying now. Our midfield has been so lightweight and so the defence has had little protection for seasons now and nothing concrete has been done to address this situation. As I said before, if a lot of fans can see what the main problem is, why can't our so called experienced coaches see it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnclosureSurge Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 21 hours ago, robinreliant said: We haven't been that successful in recent times with strikers (Tammy and Wilbs apart) Hope he does well with us. We will see. Am I missing something? Maynard, Pitman, JET, Baldock, Kodge, now Reid...? There have been some failures and some question marks but I think the fact we've had five 20-goal strikers in four years is something contradictory to not being successful. Maybe I misunderstand your point. I think the proportion of strikers we've signed that have done well is pretty good up against the other positions we've signed. Maybe just my view... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CliftonCliff Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, EnclosureSurge said: Am I missing something? Maynard, Pitman, JET, Baldock, Kodge, now Reid...? There have been some failures and some question marks but I think the fact we've had five 20-goal strikers in four years is something contradictory to not being successful. Maybe I misunderstand your point. I think the proportion of strikers we've signed that have done well is pretty good up against the other positions we've signed. Maybe just my view... And Wilbraham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 So.... that's Cauley Woodrow, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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