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The Official Match Day Thread - 4 - Bristol City v Millwall

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pongo88

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10 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

@havanatopia I love the write ups as it has local history about them. Maybe you give a lot of knowledge that isn't well known but being American and only learning history from that perspective, I really appreciate the extra history you give outside of the football. Another great write up:clap:

Watch out Joe! If you're learning history by reading the OTIB forum you're going to end up believing some crazy things 

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Leveller

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24 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

@havanatopia I love the write ups as it has local history about them. Maybe you give a lot of knowledge that isn't well known but being American and only learning history from that perspective, I really appreciate the extra history you give outside of the football. Another great write up:clap:

I agree.

Millwall's reputation is historically linked to their fans being tough dockworkers from south of the Thames (Bermondsey, as explained previously). West Ham were followed by dockworkers from the north bank of the Thames. Thus their intense rivalry - the Dockers' Derby. Millwall also have derbies with other South London clubs (eg Charlton and Palace, both quite close) but I think W Ham is the biggie for the historical connection.

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Wanderingred

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Millwalls results so far show that they may be as naive as we were (still are??!) when we first won promotion. I think we'll be outplayed for long periods in the second half but we'll pick them off with a 3-1 win. A clean sheet would be marvellous but I just can't see it.

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Garland-sweden

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1 hour ago, havanatopia said:

The 'Howling Roughs' of Millwall had their ground closed to fans following crowd trouble in 1920 then again in 1934 and 1950. 

That lad is becoming well ingrained on the psyche I see. :) 

Dont understand what you mean hava? Reid, not the old player, Peter Reid. Read is the correct word in English. I have read your story. By the way, do you still live in south east asia?

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Mike Hunt-Hertz

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5 hours ago, havanatopia said:

It is January 31st, 1858 and the world's largest ship is launched, sideways, from Napier Yard, Millwall.

Such were the technical difficulties of building such a large ship, 692 ft, that it was the very last of its kind from the J. Scott Russell leased yard at Napier. The ship was the SS Great Eastern designed by Isambard Kingdom Brunel; The maritime connection is a strong one between what is generally known today as the Isle of Dogs and Bristol. Much of the timber and concrete sub structure used for that famous launch remains today amongst the docklands housing developments that sprung up long after the Millwall docks, that came in 1860, and the thousands of terraced docker houses had gone. Millwall football club itself has not played in Millwall since 1910. The success of ship building forced them out and they have played in various locations of Bermondsey ever since. They even dropped their nick name 'The Dockers' and became the Lions as we know them today. 

Bermondsey was the most bombed part of London in WW2. The Germans called it Target Area G. It had previously been a very wealthy part of London with an Abbey that had rivalled Westminster with an estate that spread across many home counties and even as far as Somerset *. There was a history of faith on this site as far back as the 8th century when it was granted privileges by Pope Constantine for a monastry at 'Vermundesai' becoming the Priory of St Saviour attached to the French Abbey of Cluny in 1089 and well noted in the Domesday Book. Perhaps not so bizarrely for the time the Abbey was dissolved in 1537 by Henry VIII and the estate was acquired by Sir Thomas Pope (founder of Trinity College Oxford) who broke up the Abbey buildings and built a mansion for himself. Today, however, the Abbey and its original site, has been extensively dug by archaeologists. 

On January 7th, 2017 another long standing Bermondsey resident saw news of its possible fate plastered across the press. Millwall, already no strangers to moving, faced the real threat of being forced out by Lewisham Council so said the Daily Mail. Kent Live announced that Millwall fans are "not happy about the prospect of moving 50 miles into their county". While the Bermondsey land in question does not include the New Den it does engulf the ground and with a category 2 Academy, like our very own, the club would rightly be very fearful that the leasehold facilities they would lose nearby, such as training pitches, would deprive them of Academy 2 status. In short, their prized academy players would leave to local rivals. For this reason Millwall would have to move to preserve that status. In September 2016, the Labour run council approved plans for those CPOs as part of a mass regeneration project for Bermondsey. Both Bermondsey & Rotherhithe, under Southwark, and Lewisham councils are overwhelmingly Labour councillor run. 

More recently it appears they have won a stay of execution in the CPO battle and will, for now, be able to remain exactly where they are. So what was once famously known as the London Larder, maker of Garibaldis, and is often coined that again today with the famous Borough Market will, for now, have a football club in it. But the subterfuge and shenanigans lurk. A previous senior Labour councillor of Lewisham, Mushtak Malik, is CEO of Renewal the very company seeking the development. But enough of that for now. Maybe we will revisit this on another match day. 

Lets welcome Millwall fans today folks and hope their mad mad element stay away. We all know the vast majority of football supporters are decent folk. 

Enjoy the match.

* maybe later.

The flagstaff at Anfield is (believed to be) one of the Great Eastern's topmasts.

It was broken up on the mudflats of the Mersey, in 1888.

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