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1 minute ago, Raging_Robin said:

That's what a majority wanted at the beginning of the season. 

Where would you expect us to be after 4 games? If someone said we would be mid table after 4 games after losing just one, would you have taken it? 

I'm not saying everything is perfect, but the reaction on here by some is incredible. 

I'm not basing it on this season alone.

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Awful game. Two awful teams.

But Millwall slightly better purely because they have a game plan (however ugly) that takes into account they're not very good.

Heard Twentyman read out an hilarious tweet asking if 12th was the limit of our ambition..Try those two numbers the other way round.

Awful.

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2 minutes ago, Raging_Robin said:

That's what a majority wanted at the beginning of the season. 

Where would you expect us to be after 4 games? If someone said we would be mid table after 4 games after losing just one, would you have taken it? 

I'm not saying everything is perfect, but the reaction on here by some is incredible. 

I'd say that the reactions on here are pretty measured. Not wanting to single you out here, but it seems to be key to those enjoying an LJ love-in to present all sceptics as people howling for his blood. In truth his management of the club is baffling experienced observers and no matter how annoying we'll keep expressing our bafflement, most of that bafflement is expressed quite mildly given the frustration that lies behind it!

The fact is that we have 5 points from 4 games, having played two of our easier home fixtures. We've had a fairly easy start to the season. 5 from 4 may be mid table right now but that yield per match won't keep us there. 

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I know it's early days but I've seen nothing season bar a good performance against a poor Barnsley side to make me think we won't be fighting relegation again.

I arrived today hoping that there  would be a decent reaction from sneaking a point on Tuesday night but it was really poor, I appreciate Millwall had a agenda and they stuck to it. At half time I was hoping we might change it but we just stuck with the same formula how many free kicks did we float into the box only to be outmuscled. 

The lack of width really frustrates me, we so want to go through the middle, their is no overlapping out wide and we then keep trying to make 3 yard passes in the middle hoping we might get a chance on goal.

I hope it changes and I actually have an enjoyable season down the gate, at the moment more of the same is odds on.

 

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43 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said:

OK my friend let me introduce just a little reality for you then, our next 5 league games:-

Villa H

Reading A

Wolves A

Derby H

Norwich A

The only good thing about that list that 'some' people can copy and paste "did you honestly expect anything from this game" at end of each 90 minutes.

Good lord we are going to struggle against all these teams

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5 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Championship fit and match fit are two different things. Especially at the pace we started at. It's my opinion and could possibly be rubbish but for whatever reason they were slow and unenergetic today. I wasn't at Brentford but sounded like they were poor but still worked their socks off. At the end of today probably half of the players from both sides dropped straight down at full time. 

I referred elsewhere to Pochettino's approach. Spurs are a great pressing side on the back of regular, high intensity double training sessions.

LJ said he wanted to play a high pressing, high tempo game. In which case train them hard enough to sustain it rather than give up after a game and a half, surrendering the initiative because the players are allegedly tired.

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Millwall had a clear game plan and we allowed that plan to be implemented without too much of a fight. 

I posted in another thread about our energy and high press game. When it doesn't work we look soft. 

There are times we need to be more direct. But our lack of physicality prevents us from playing that way. 

We are wasteful in possession and our game management and urgency need work. 

Our defence is a big upgrade on last year and they are having to work far too hard because of our midfield failings. 

A creative midfielder is a must. It's clear LJ doesn't fancy Hegeler as I would of thought he was scouted and brought into the club for that role. 

The window is still open and we need Mark Ashton to bring in that quality signing. 

Stevo

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There are 13 other teams in the league who have had worse starts than us.

I can't believe its panic stations for some after 4 games! In 46 games we ain't gonna play well every week (even Brighton lost at home to us last season ;))

At least in the games we've played badly in so far we've picked up points.

Or maybe I'm just a glass half full kinda guy.

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1 hour ago, Raging_Robin said:

What's the problem. 1 loss in 4, 3 points to 5th. The transfer window is still open with a big fee to come for Flint.

Everyone on this forum seemed to be happy with a mid table finish at the beginning of the season, and that's where we are. 

The constant negativity is why this club will never succeed. 

The constant acceptance of mediocre dross is why we'll never succeed. Unfortunately the person most guilty of this at the moment  is the owner 

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7 minutes ago, Raging_Robin said:

Let's give up now then. 

OK.

LJ spent loads of money last season.

He has spent lots more money this season.

A lot of that money is sat on the bench just like last season.

And we have nobody new in a midfield that was shit last season and LJ has even managed to weaken that midfield further by playing 2 players out of position and his go to guy off of the bench is ODowda.

We played well for 60 minutes against Barnsley, OK for 30 minutes against Birmingham and then shit for the next hour and total shit against Brentford and now Millwall.

We have 5 really difficult games up and coming that will take our total of games played to 9.

Please give me something that you see and that I and many others have missed.

it comes to something when last week a gashead came on to our forum and pointed out that he would exchange everything about his club for what we have except managers and the worst part was he never got an argument from anybody, that is the regard in which many hold him.

He is out of his depth and continuing for a 2nd year with a midfield that echoes him as a player soft as shit.

I have tried to put up my argument now let's hear yours.

PS:- We now have enough Scandinavians to keep South Bristol in porn until doomsday, none of whom can get into the team, I would estimate close to 6 mils worth.

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3 minutes ago, KingLear said:

There are 13 other teams in the league who have had worse starts than us.

I can't believe its panic stations for some after 4 games! In 46 games we ain't gonna play well every week (even Brighton lost at home to us last season ;))

At least in the games we've played badly in so far we've picked up points.

Or maybe I'm just a glass half full kinda guy.

Well said, think we've got to play at least the first 10 league games and analysis it from there before we all rush to panic stations! 

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40 minutes ago, Spike said:

The problem is we're still dropping points and not winning games we need to be, the season is only 4 games in and we're yet to play any real top half teams. Birmingham are shite and we lost to them after taking the lead, Millwall are shite and we did nothing against them at home and Barnsley look like a team who could end up sat at 24th if they don't improve as the season goes on. It's not even the results, it's the performance, today was poor on all counts, we gave away 7 corners in the first 20 minutes, we didn't have a shot on target until the second half and all in all we looked no better than Millwall at all.
I'm all for being positive but I see no change from last season, we're mediocre and one week we turn up and the next we don't, the manager STILL doesn't seem to know what his tactics are and when he talks he sounds very professional but doesn't actually offer **** all insight at all. 

I really wanted LJ to change my mind, the result at Barnsley was nice but from that game onwards we have not looked good which leads me to believe that Barnsley made us look better than we are.

I agree Spike. 

I think Barnsley was a false dawn against a team in total transition. If we are to avoid being in yet another relegation battle, our home form will be key.

I know we are still in August, but today should have been targeted as a massive chance to pick up 3 points against a struggling team. Instead what did we get....

 An insipid performance from most of the players who allowed themselves to be domitted by the Millwall  bully boys. 

After the next 5 games, I think we'll look at these first 4 as being missed opportunities. 

5 points from 4 games doesn't really tell the whole story. We should have lost at Brentford, and could easily have lost today as well. Then it would have only been points from that 1st game that seems like an age ago already.

We're not in one of our oct-Feb awful results period yet, but it feels like we could tip into it very very quickly.

Worrying times ahead I think.

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15 minutes ago, RichardEdd said:

 

You are both saying this in a thread called I'd take 4th bottom now!

well...the thread title is a tad OTT, what I was getting at was that the broad hint from many of the devotees of the LJ cult is that people are out to get him. That it's something personal. I don't see that myself...I'm depressed that we are saddled with someone with so little visible talent. I could easily see him taking us down.

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6 minutes ago, cummins17 said:

Well said, think we've got to play at least the first 10 league games and analysis it from there before we all rush to panic stations! 

We've taken 5 points from 3 teams in the bottom 5, and the other team lost to Burton yesterday.

We've not played any half way decent teams yet.

 

I'm afraid this season is going to be a long hard slog

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32 minutes ago, Raging_Robin said:

So this forum isn't doesn't show the mood of the fan base then? 

I think you're being fairly pedantic. 

So this forum isn't doesn't show the mood of the fan base then? 

No.

Its a collection of views from different individuals who will not share the same mood.

Fans are all not all locked into collective mindset morphing into a miasma positioning itself over Ashton Gate at 3pm sucking the energy out of the athletes in red.

That's just silly.

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39 minutes ago, cheshire_red said:

Players tired? After the easiest Pre Season games of any club in the country, having played 4 sides who are in the bottom half of the table and Muff reserves? hat the heck are they going to be like in a few months time or next April?

Tired my Arse

I wouldn't mind being tired for the money they get, I used to have to get up at 3 am to get to work and finished sometimes at 15.00, that's when you get tired, not training for 12 -15 hours a week and then playing for 90 or 180 minutes.  Btw, they don't run around for all that time either.

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24 minutes ago, Raging_Robin said:

I will do. I'm sure most will be glad that we've lost to prove someone who is trying to be positive wrong.

I will gladly hold my hands up if I'm wrong, and you can all scream "I told you so". 

 

I'd rather we did something now rather than say 'I told you so' in 5 games time.  I'm guessing you're quite young?

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1 hour ago, Red Army 75 said:

Nothing to do with FF today. Outplayed lucky to get a point. Also we lack height in our team. Outmuscled. Also COD has had enough time now for me . Just doesn't affect the game enough. Thought it would be perfect for eliasson to come on . Give the crowd a lift. But poor all round today 

I'd not be too hard on O'Dowda today. We'd already conceded the impetus of the game and midfield when he came on. I dont think many would make an impact. 

Given what's in front of him; Brownhill, Paterson, don't think we can afford to give up, cus they sure as shit ain't all that. Hope Elliason can have an immediate impact. 

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3 minutes ago, Raging_Robin said:

I do understand that, I'm not the sort of person to blindly follow the team no matter what. I know the team didn't play well, I know we need someone in midfield and I know LJ has spent a lot of money. He has made a lot don't forget. In fact we have probably broke even if we sell Flint for the amount talked about. My arguement is simple. Football is simple and it's all about wins and loses. Agreed? 

We've won and drawn more than we've lost. It's all good and well trying to predict the future with the teams we're about to play, but we can't. I can only go on where we're now and that is a mid table side. I don't know who we're going to buy this week? Maybe SL will splash out again on a few more players? Who knows. 

Maybe I'm trying to be positive, not blindly, but why not be positive, we've certainly got more to be positive about than negative as it stands, right? 

LJ has not made the club a penny that is just not true, he never signed Kodjia or Flint and we actually lost money on his reckless signing Tomlin.

And I will predict one very important thing and that is if he persists with this midfield in it's present format for most of this season, we are in the shit, 3 games now they have been  2nd best by a country mile, LJ got lucky Tuesday and rode his luck again today and we know to our cost that LJ is not a lucky manager for long.

 

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I can see LJ moving back to a 4-2-3-1 system again. Maybe brownhill to make way for Elliason on one side and Patterson on the other allowing Reid to play behind the forward. 

Why oh why we can't just play 2 strikers at the gate seems odd.

Or at least if we play narrow like he wants can we please adopt a system with Hegeler flanked by 2 CM players. 

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1 minute ago, Raging_Robin said:

Why would you say that? Are you attempting to give me an insult because I've got a different opinion than you? I think you're the one that's young if that's the case. I completely respect your opinion however. 

And I respect yours but you seem to be in the minority?  I've watched decades of dross but most of it was understandable due to budgets etc, we no longer have that excuse.

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