RumRed Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, Red_Wizard said: The ones who have called it ALL summer, we are heading into that direction again unfortunately. LJ still has 5 games to show what he can do. Keep on being an Ostrich mate. While some of us will call it how it is. I don't think you'll find I'm an ostrich? Maybe I misread your post, LJ should have gone months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 10 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Do you believe that playing 50% of said dire midfield out of position is helpful?. Not sure what you mean here? Pack and Smith are both central midfielders played in central midfield. Paterson is a wide player. Only question mark for me is Josh but would be harsh to have dropped him after scoring on Tues. Do you honestly believe that he has spent loadsamoney wisely?. No but I've never said he has? We pay fees that are par for the course of the type of player we buy. Johnson doesn't dictate the market conditions unfortunately Do you honestly believe that we in our present format are going to be a mid table side, come the end of the season?. Well you can only judge on what you've seen. As things stand we're on course for a mid table finish. Patterson is a number 10 in the position that Reid is presently playing, Brownhill is a central midfielder. But Johnson should be able to dictate whether that money is being spent wisely and whether all of this expensive talent is good enough to actually play at championship level and even giving these players a fair chance to prove that they can, instead of lining the bench with them, all of that has little to do with 'market conditions'. The last sentence is just wrong, on what we've seen we are not a mid table side, on what we've seen we are the same confused soft side of last season, as things stand we are on course for another struggle, but yes we have 5 points and sit mid table, a false position indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full nelson Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 Can't see where the next win will come from?! 225 minutes of utter crap football and we have a tough home game followed by two very tough away days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Esmond Million's Bung said: Patterson is a number 10 in the position that Reid is presently playing, Brownhill is a central midfielder. But Johnson should be able to dictate whether that money is being spent wisely and whether all of this expensive talent is good enough to actually play at championship level and even giving these players a fair chance to prove that they can, instead of lining the bench with them, all of that has little to do with 'market conditions'. The last sentence is just wrong, on what we've seen we are not a mid table side, on what we've seen we are the same confused soft side of last season, as things stand we are on course for another struggle, but yes we have 5 points and sit mid table, a false position indeed. Paterson has played wide plenty, most decent attacking players will be comfortable anywhere across an attacking 3. Paterson is equally capable of playing wide as he is centrally IMO. I think Brownhill is much better used centrally. The table doesn't lie Es. As of right now we're a mid table side - you can't spin that any other way. Everyone says they want us to be a mid table side and now we seem to be capable of being one everyone is in hysterics. I was as frustrated as anyone with a draw today but it was a 0-0 draw, not a 5-0 drubbing. Let's try and keep some perspective. 1 defeat in 4 is a reasonably solid if unspectacular start. Improvements needed for sure but reading this place you'd think we were bottom and pointless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 I was embarrassed to be a City fan today... Truly woeful from start to finish the only positives are how we somehow managed to keep a clean sheet! I wanted to give LJ 10 games after Tuesday but honesty it is just so bad I just can't see anything other than relegation under Lee.. Why o why was Warnock not brought in, we would be challenging this season with out a doubt. Poor decisions from the top continually hamper the positives at this club!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 12 minutes ago, RumRed said: I don't think you'll find I'm an ostrich? Maybe I misread your post, LJ should have gone months ago. Apologies my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 41 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Lots of drama as usual after a poor game. Yes it was a dire game but it was 0-0 FFS - you'd think we'd got hammered reading this forum. 10% of the way through the season and we're closer to the playoffs than the drop zone. We are, as of right now, the very definition of a mid table team. Exactly what everyone said they'd be happy with. Now we are that team it's the usual hysterics that it's not something else. We were ******* Awful!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 1 minute ago, 'keepuplino' said: We were ******* Awful!!! Not denying that, I said as much on the matchday thread. But every team in this league is going to have games like that today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 5 minutes ago, Red_Wizard said: Apologies my friend. I'm on your side I think! LJ has to go and soon, probably about 8 months late but you can hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 Just now, BRISTOL86 said: Not denying that, I said as much on the matchday thread. But every team in this league is going to have games like that today. I'm not so sure about that, we were woefully short from start to finish, I didn't rise off my seat once today that's how shit we were.. Also weren't we this shit Tuesday as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, 'keepuplino' said: We were ******* Awful!!! and they "played it there way" said LJ ; well of course they did, we all know the Wall way, it will be tough, players will be "battered and bruised" the question is; why didn't you know this and adjust our team selection to deal with it? that's what managers do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepUpLino Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 1 minute ago, glos old boy said: and they "played it there way" said LJ ; well of course they did, we all know the Wall way, it will be tough, players will be "battered and bruised" the question is; why didn't you know this and adjust our team selection to deal with it? that's what managers do. Painful to listen to isn't he!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 Just now, 'keepuplino' said: I'm not so sure about that, we were woefully short from start to finish, I didn't rise off my seat once today that's how shit we were.. Also weren't we this shit Tuesday as well? That's my point though, every team in this league will have days when they're shit. I regularly speak to fans of every other club in the league. I know Sunderland fans who say they were shit, Villa fans who say they were shit, Derby fans who say they were shit.. I just think people tend to massively overreact to a very small portion of the season as a whole. It'd be typical City - and typical Championship - for us to struggle today and then beat Villa. Ten games or so and then you can probably start making reasonably solid insights into how the season will go. But all teams in the league are still trying to find their feet. Ten sides in the league have better our points return so far. If we can still say the same after 46 games I'll be chuffed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 1 minute ago, 'keepuplino' said: Painful to listen to isn't he!! Sad as well, then we look over the Bristol channel and see what might have been Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, glos old boy said: and they "played it there way" said LJ ; well of course they did, we all know the Wall way, it will be tough, players will be "battered and bruised" the question is; why didn't you know this and adjust our team selection to deal with it? that's what managers do. True enough but against a side like that you also need players who are not physical cowards and don't duck out of challenges. It's a cliche but you have to match the opposition physically to earn the right to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 9 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Not denying that, I said as much on the matchday thread. But every team in this league is going to have games like that today. Exactly that but my only worry is do we have a squad or manager capable of adapting to different styles and dynamics etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: That's my point though, every team in this league will have days when they're shit. I regularly speak to fans of every other club in the league. I know Sunderland fans who say they were shit, Villa fans who say they were shit, Derby fans who say they were shit.. I just think people tend to massively overreact to a very small portion of the season as a whole. It'd be typical City - and typical Championship - for us to struggle today and then beat Villa. Ten games or so and then you can probably start making reasonably solid insights into how the season will go. But all teams in the league are still trying to find their feet. Ten sides in the league have better our points return so far. If we can still say the same after 46 games I'll be chuffed you`ve seen our next few games coming up, haven't you........now they will be tough......but yes we will see. Thank gawd for Frankie I say, hope he stays injury and head turning free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, RumRed said: I'm on your side I think! LJ has to go and soon, probably about 8 months late but you can hope! It's not working out, feels like Lansdown is holding on to a sinking ship while trying to tell passengers all is ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, chinapig said: True enough but against a side like that you also need players who are not physical cowards and don't duck out of challenges. It's a cliche but you have to match the opposition physically to earn the right to play. You mean the likes of Flint, Wilbs and yes Tomlin too ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman Block B Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 On todays performance, we are shit. As the OP said, 4 off the bottom will do. For me, it hurts to consider that in August. But we were shit. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, Red_Wizard said: It's not working out, feels like Lansdown is holding on to a sinking ship while trying to tell passengers all is ok. trouble is will he just swap one for another like minded man; even leaving the hiring and firing to someone else might not work as he would have hired that someone else. I see no ships on the horizon, we seem to be rudderless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Red_Wizard said: It's not working out, feels like Lansdown is holding on to a sinking ship while trying to tell passengers all is ok. I'm no Leanardo Di'Caprio and I'm certainly not holding on to Kate Winslet but I feel the icy depths beckoning me whilst stood on the decks of this ship. Powered by a ludicrous amount of cash and hubris and the fact our local competition can't even keep a pasty shed open I still feel like I'm smoking a cigar whilst Ismay tells me it's unsinkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 13 minutes ago, chinapig said: True enough but against a side like that you also need players who are not physical cowards and don't duck out of challenges. It's a cliche but you have to match the opposition physically to earn the right to play. see other post but we had physical players, who would not duck out, in fact quite the opposite, until a few weeks ago sold 2 of them and seem to be keeping another in the cupboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 High pressing game from the off, with a midfield 2 vs physical opponents on a hot day is not a clever tactic. Flawed on every level. 4th bottom? I think we are better than that but if we don't improve and improve fast, it will be a long hard season tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 21 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said: Exactly that but my only worry is do we have a squad or manager capable of adapting to different styles and dynamics etc This is my concern with LJ tbh. He's shown himself more than capable of delivering good performances under certain conditions, but we only ever seem to have the one way, the one idea. When we face an opposition that negate that idea we seem to freeze and not be able to adapt. We were crying out for more bodies in midfield today to try and win those battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john shaw number 1 Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 City team v Swindon or today's team who do think would win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 18 minutes ago, glos old boy said: You mean the likes of Flint, Wilbs and yes Tomlin too ....... I think we could have certainly have done with Wilbs on the bench today. I can't slate Woodrow on just 20 minutes of game time, but he hardly touched the ball. We needed a big guy, who could hold the ball up, and wouldn't get bullied off the ball by their thugs. The odd sly elbow with some of their worst offenders would've been welcome too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 22 minutes ago, glos old boy said: you`ve seen our next few games coming up, haven't you........now they will be tough......but yes we will see. Thank gawd for Frankie I say, hope he stays injury and head turning free. Yeah but that's the Championship isn't it. So unpredictable. It would be typical of both City and this league for us to struggle today and beat Villa (we can hope). They say ten games is normally a good barometer and if we're still mid table after ten I'll be happy. It's a results game and if we get sucked into another relegation scrap after 10-15 games then action will need to be taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 1 minute ago, BRISTOL86 said: Yeah but that's the Championship isn't it. So unpredictable. It would be typical of both City and this league for us to struggle today and beat Villa (we can hope). They say ten games is normally a good barometer and if we're still mid table after ten I'll be happy. It's a results game and if we get sucked into another relegation scrap after 10-15 games then action will need to be taken. I disagree, action needs to be taken now. I see nothing that suggests we have improved since last season, how many players will we buy in Jan? Get shot now and give the new head coach a fighting chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tts_city Posted August 19, 2017 Report Share Posted August 19, 2017 1 hour ago, BRISTOL86 said: Yeah but that's the Championship isn't it. So unpredictable. It would be typical of both City and this league for us to struggle today and beat Villa (we can hope). They say ten games is normally a good barometer and if we're still mid table after ten I'll be happy. It's a results game and if we get sucked into another relegation scrap after 10-15 games then action will need to be taken. The thing is though you know there wont be any action taken, it will drift on until well into the new year and beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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