Big Red Rich Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 What's he worth now, £5m? More? Another in a long line of dismal decisions made ny whoever is in charge of comings and goings. It's hardly like this is hindsight, perhaps like Bolasie was, Ayling played regularly and was a solid performer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Thanks @Big Red Rich. That's exactly what I was hoping to read this morning. Christ on a bike! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Quite a few on here didn't rate him did they? But then again quite a few on here rate O'Dowda don't they! Some people talk out their arse Don't they!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 A Bristol Sport decision after Cheltenham? Even though it wasn't him, you get the feeling if there's any bad press about you you're off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamalagerdrinker Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 I remember my mate texting me asking about him when he signed and I said "He's nothing special" Look at him now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, iamalagerdrinker said: I remember my mate texting me asking about him when he signed and I said "He's nothing special" Look at him now Yeah you talk out you're arse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Any chance of giving the club credit for getting their money back on Tomlin? I doubt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarky89 Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Unfortunately unless you fit the Bristol Sport business/corporate image, you have no career here. Who cares about football ability if you could offend a man in a suit who sits in a box with a poxy sponsorship detail. I was for BS for years, I fought against anyone who had anything bad to say. We're no longer a football club, but a business. The recent summer restructure that cost good people jobs is further evidence of this. It's very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palmerred Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 So Preston, Warnock and the Sun seem to think Greg Cunningham is the best Left Back outside the Prem. Bet365 and Leeds state Ayling is. Harry wanted Joe Bryan, apparently Boro and a prem team did as well. Perhaps we are very good at producing brilliant left backs, but our coaches don't realise this. However selling Cunningham (400K) and Ayling (750K) show that for all the good negotiations that Ashton and co have done, they have seriously been left with their pants down there. I know people will jump up with Ashton wasn't around when Cunningham went, but I'm sure I read he was helping us on a non contractual agreement that summer and he and Cotts fell out and Cotts didn't want him here, part of the reason Cotts ended up going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 7 minutes ago, Clarky89 said: Unfortunately unless you fit the Bristol Sport business/corporate image, you have no career here. Who cares about football ability if you could offend a man in a suit who sits in a box with a poxy sponsorship detail. I was for BS for years, I fought against anyone who had anything bad to say. We're no longer a football club, but a business. The recent summer restructure that cost good people jobs is further evidence of this. It's very sad. Freeman also on fire at QPR. Our promotion team ripped apart and not strengthened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red Rich Posted August 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 15 minutes ago, palmerred said: So Preston, Warnock and the Sun seem to think Greg Cunningham is the best Left Back outside the Prem. Bet365 and Leeds state Ayling is the best right back outside the PL. Harry wanted Joe Bryan, apparently Boro and a prem team did as well. Perhaps we are very good at producing brilliant left backs, but our coaches don't realise this. However selling Cunningham (400K) and Ayling (750K) show that for all the good negotiations that Ashton and co have done, they have seriously been left with their pants down there. I know people will jump up with Ashton wasn't around when Cunningham went, but I'm sure I read he was helping us on a non contractual agreement that summer and he and Cotts fell out and Cotts didn't want him here, part of the reason Cotts ended up going. Fixed for you otherwise I agree with what you say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Think it's been alluded on here that the decision to get rid came from above the management team. After Cheltenham his card was marked I think. On the bright side, another good season and a move to the Prem could see us get £2m from a sell on clause I suppose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Ayling was always good at bringing the ball forward but the way in which we played him for most of his time with us (as the right sided centre back in a 3) meant that when he went AWOL upfield along with the right and left wing back, so we were left with just 2 at the back and open to being torn apart on the break. Forget the exact number of times that we were caught out this way in the first half of the 2015-16 season, but left Flinty cursing and often resulted in us conceding, in large part explaining why we struggled so much. Gung Ho attack as part of the "League 1 Gslaticos" was fine at that level but we got caught out playing the same way at Championship level. Only when we changed formation after dispensing with Cotterill did we ever play Ayling as a right back. Still got caught out upfield from time to time, but less of a problem with more cover on the right in a 4-4-2 formation. And then we brought in Adam Matthews, who was seen as an upgrade on Ayling. That didn't exactly work out but I don't blame the club for that one because on paper it was true. Just that Matthews showed his true unprofessional attitude last season once he had a year loan contract and no Euro championships to aim for. And yes the club / Bristol Sport seemed very unimpressed with the Cheltenham episode, which certainly counted against Ayling. As for Cunningham, he's a left back and at the time we wanted a left wing back. You can argue that was short sighted but Cunningham wanted game time and Joe Bryan was the man in possession and on fire in League 1. Cunningham probably better defensively, while Bryan is probably better going forward, witness his attempt that crashed against the bar yesterday, which was one of the few moments of any quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 28 minutes ago, tinman85 said: Freeman also on fire at QPR. Our promotion team ripped apart and not strengthened. Come on, that is really stretching the point. Ayling's sale looks a big mistake and as others have said was probably down to the Cheltenham shenanigans as much as anything. Freeman was average for us at Championship level, out of contract the following summer and I can't recall anyone on here sad to see him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 I did not want Ayling to go AT ALL AND REALLY RATED HIM but he was average in some games and was not the player for us he seems to be for Leeds - whether that was formation, coaching or whatever I would not know. But based on how he played for us I would say Pisano is an upgrade and we have finally got that position correct. Seems to me many on this forum are trying to find any reason to criticise the club again - this place is as poison if not more than last season. It is August FFS !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Ayling would get caught out with us more often than not. Class footballer though. Maybe, just maybe, he suits Leeds a bit more? It's really easy to say look at him now but don't most players look better on better teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 At the time I was more than happy to get rid of Luke ayling and have him replaced by Adam Matthews. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 57 minutes ago, Clarky89 said: Unfortunately unless you fit the Bristol Sport business/corporate image, you have no career here. Who cares about football ability if you could offend a man in a suit who sits in a box with a poxy sponsorship detail. I was for BS for years, I fought against anyone who had anything bad to say. We're no longer a football club, but a business. The recent summer restructure that cost good people jobs is further evidence of this. It's very sad. Every football club in the league is a 'business' and has been for a long long time. There's nothing remotely unique about us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Sometimes a player just clicks at a club and everything goes right. We've had our share of that too. Doesn't all just work one way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 1 hour ago, swanker said: Quite a few on here didn't rate him did they? But then again quite a few on here rate O'Dowda don't they! Some people talk out their arse Don't they!!! Don't THEY just ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 Pisano might be soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 26 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Come on, that is really stretching the point. Ayling's sale looks a big mistake and as others have said was probably down to the Cheltenham shenanigans as much as anything. Freeman was average for us at Championship level, out of contract the following summer and I can't recall anyone on here sad to see him go. Count me as 1. I was sad to see Freeman leave and commented on here at the time that our creativity dried up immediately after his departure. His goals and assists weren't there, which many judged him on, but he was involved in most good things we did / created. I was sorry to see him go. Likewise I always rated Ayling. I can never understand the reasoning behind offloading these two very talented footballers - particularly if we were looking to build a team of players 'comfortable' on the ball. Matthews, Little, Pisano are not upgrades on Ayling as a right back. Paterson, O'Dowda, Brownhill are not upgrades on Freeman as a winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 1 hour ago, palmerred said: So Preston, Warnock and the Sun seem to think Greg Cunningham is the best Left Back outside the Prem. Bet365 and Leeds state Ayling is. Harry wanted Joe Bryan, apparently Boro and a prem team did as well. Perhaps we are very good at producing brilliant left backs, but our coaches don't realise this. However selling Cunningham (400K) and Ayling (750K) show that for all the good negotiations that Ashton and co have done, they have seriously been left with their pants down there. I know people will jump up with Ashton wasn't around when Cunningham went, but I'm sure I read he was helping us on a non contractual agreement that summer and he and Cotts fell out and Cotts didn't want him here, part of the reason Cotts ended up going. Cunningham went for free. Him and Cotterill hated each other. Just need to look at how much he celebrated when he scored against us to tell you all you need to know on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, petehinton said: Cunningham went for free. Him and Cotterill hated each other. Never knew that, why was that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 When it is mentioned by fans of Leeds that City let them have one of their bargains of the century in Ayling, respond with the fact that we are repaying the fact that they let us have the bargain of the last century in Bob Taylor (let alone Hunter, Mann and Shaw). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Between heaven and hell Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 1 hour ago, East End Old Boy said: Any chance of giving the club credit for getting their money back on Tomlin? I doubt it Why? That's been done already on other threads, this is about Luke Ayling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 35 minutes ago, Spoons said: At the time I was more than happy to get rid of Luke ayling and have him replaced by Adam Matthews. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Yep. Would be easy to bemoan letting him go but I completely agree with you. I wasn't up in arms at all about him going, wasn't happy but certainly wasn't gutted by any stretch as I felt the club had the opportunity to upgrade on him. Fair play to LA for performing so well for LUFC. He's obviously getting the tools to enable him to perform up there that he didn't get here for whatever reason. Or maybe the move has just matured him and as a result he's playing better. Whatever, here's hoping we have a good sell on clause! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 44 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Come on, that is really stretching the point. Ayling's sale looks a big mistake and as others have said was probably down to the Cheltenham shenanigans as much as anything. Freeman was average for us at Championship level, out of contract the following summer and I can't recall anyone on here sad to see him go. I was sad to see Freeman go. Like a lot of players here, I just don't feel they've had a fair chance under LJ - that's not to say they haven't had a fair chance to play with LJ as head coach - just I think some players aren't getting the chance to flourish under LJ's tenure owing to his tactics. Legal troubles not withstanding I'd have liked to have seen Tomlin under another manager, just as I'd have liked to have seen Ayling, Freeman, Gary O'Neil and many others. These are all players we know have proper quality, but we haven't really seen it under LJ. He's the common denominator, but sadly it appears that SL has backed the wrong horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Never knew that, why was that? General personality clash. It happens. If you look back at what Cotts said when Cunningham left, he was extremely sterned face and didn't have much good to say about him. Cunningham went ******* nuts when he scored against us. And pretty much every Preston player surrounded him after the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted August 20, 2017 Report Share Posted August 20, 2017 I liked Ayling, thought he was good, and said to my Leeds' supporting friend at the time that they had made a good signing. I'd like to have received more for him but cannot claim that I was desperately unhappy with his being sold as he wasn't brilliant defensively. Good on him for getting the "best outside the premiership" appelation. Similarly Freeman is performing well at QPR but for whatever reason his style of play had ceased working here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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