BobBobSuperBob Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 8 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Sounds like he's genuinely really excited by him based on accounts from tonight. Guess it's a case of breaking him in gently. Did anyone ask about Diedhiou? Thought a few may ask questions about his performances and value for money Was a bit frustrating PF - So many questions that could have been asked but obviously time was limited and Mark Ashton rattled on about recruitment for a while and we also had a bit of a demo / explanation about some of the data used in recruitment and player analysis as well as the 'Bristol City Promotional film' they use to 'sell' the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 Can I just check, that all those who come on here, spouting off about how "disengaged" they feel and those who claim the club treat us with "contempt" by not being more open with supporters, all turned up and embraced this opportunity..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 The donkey business of defending should be supplied by less skilled people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said: The donkey business of defending should be supplied by less skilled people. I would hope defenders are still skilled in what they do.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said: The donkey business of defending should be supplied by less skilled people. And there was me thinking it was a team game and we defended from the front! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, hodge said: I would hope defenders are still skilled in what they do.... Far easier to defend than to create Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 Just a quick one on Eliasson - Asked how we get to players 'first' According to Mark Ashton a Premier League Club rung us on the day we signed Eliasson and asked if we were signing him We said 'yes' and they said 'Oh ok - we will keep an eye on him and if he does well we will come and get him from you' (Sounded slightly strange to me but maybe not) ( It was pointed out that the same was said about Gustav and MA didn't appear to wild about that observation ) On a positive note , will,post more tomorrow - thought LJ came across as very genuine , realistic and sensible and have a feeling JMc is sharp and a good one to have alongside ,) Dean Holden didn't say much And I'm afraid MA comes across as a good talker , lots of 'strategy' and 'implementation' speak without real substance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Just a quicjpk one on Eliasson - Asked how we get to players 'first' According to Mark Ashton a Premier aleaguemClub rung on the day we signed Eliasson and asked if we were signing him We said 'yes' and they said 'Oh ok - we will keep an eye on him and if he does well we will come and get him from you' (Sounded slightoynstrange to me but maybe not) ( It was pointed out that the same was said about Gustav and MA didn't appear to wild about that observation ) You sure you werent at the bar BBSB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Was a bit frustrating PF - So many questions that could have been asked but obviously time was limited and Mark Ashton rattled on about recruitment for a while and we also had a bit of a demo / explanation about some of the data used in recruitment and player analysis as well as the 'Bristol City Promotional film' they use to 'sell' the club Sounds great and very interesting. What's the film like? Interested how they get the 'feel' right when the audience is players 3 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: Can I just check, that all those who come on here, spouting off about how "disengaged" they feel and those who claim the club treat us with "contempt" by not being more open with supporters, all turned up and embraced this opportunity..? I think actually on the playing side we're pretty transparent. At times last season LJ was probably, if anything, too candid about things. We get those long interviews with Tinnion and LJ often is a guest on Twentyman. Not really any problems there. Think the club could improve with engagement in other areas though. Don't think FAN is as effective as it should be and a bit confused about the supporter's liaison situation - that needs to be clarified. It's the 'off the pitch' stuff that needs better clarity and engagement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Just a quicjpk one on Eliasson - Asked how we get to players 'first' According to Mark Ashton a Premier aleaguemClub rung on the day we signed Eliasson and asked if we were signing him We said 'yes' and they said 'Oh ok - we will keep an eye on him and if he does well we will come and get him from you' (Sounded slightoynstrange to me but maybe not) ( It was pointed out that the same was said about Gustav and MA didn't appear to wild about that observation ) Assume we will then say cheers for doubling (at least) what we paid for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 Eliasson was on trial with Arsenal, Celtic and Ajax six years ago. Not exactly a hidden gem that suddenly popped up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said: Far easier to defend than to create If it's that easy, why can't he defend and only do the difficult stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: You sure you werent at the bar BBSB? Im having a typing fumbling mare and can't blame alcohol as I havnt had any !! Think it's time to hit the sack !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Sounds great and very interesting. What's the film like? Interested how they get the 'feel' right when the audience is players I think actually on the playing side we're pretty transparent. At times last season LJ was probably, if anything, too candid about things. We get those long interviews with Tinnion and LJ often is a guest on Twentyman. Not really any problems there. Think the club could improve with engagement in other areas though. Don't think FAN is as effective as it should be and a bit confused about the supporter's liaison situation - that needs to be clarified. It's the 'off the pitch' stuff that needs better clarity and engagement. I thought it was 'ok' PF Not as impressed as another on this thread has suggested (IMHO) Expected clips of AG , fans , clips of Andy Cole , Goater , Tammy scoring for City and then United / Man City etc to suggest a pathway up - Bit of a talkover by LJ talking about developing young players and a pathway etc , was a bit underwhelmed tbh - it was 'ok' But it's not me that needs to be impressed !!! as long as potential players / agents are ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: I thought it was 'ok' PF Not as impressed as another on this thread has suggested (IMHO) Expected clips of AG , fans , clips of Andy Cole , Goater , Tammy scoring for City and then United / Man City etc to suggest a pathway up - Bit of a talkover by LJ talking about developing young players and a pathway etc , was a bit underwhelmed tbh - it was 'ok' But it's not me that needs to be impressed !!! as long as potential players / agents are ! That's interesting - sounds like the video heavily conveys us as a 'stepping stone'. That's no bad thing necessarily; until relatively recently I always felt we were a bit foolhardy and gave the impression that we were not a selling club. Felt we lost out in the market due to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddoh Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 21 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: This all sounds remarkably positive from those that were there. Am I on the right forum? yes we have another tent and four plastic chairs. I think I might have just creamed myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: I thought it was 'ok' PF Not as impressed as another on this thread has suggested (IMHO) Expected clips of AG , fans , clips of Andy Cole , Goater , Tammy scoring for City and then United / Man City etc to suggest a pathway up - Bit of a talkover by LJ talking about developing young players and a pathway etc , was a bit underwhelmed tbh - it was 'ok' But it's not me that needs to be impressed !!! as long as potential players / agents are ! Suppose it depends what (if anything) other clubs do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: That's interesting - sounds like the video heavily conveys us as a 'stepping stone'. That's no bad thing necessarily; until relatively recently I always felt we were a bit foolhardy and give the impression that we were not a selling club. Felt we lost out in the market due to this. Thing is if we're talking about recent years (be generous and say last 10) how many players have we really sold upwards because they've done well with us? Maynard, Baldock? Bolasie could I suppose but was more of a punt by Palace on potential, but could still count. Either way I don't think we stand out particularly from the crowd of players going onto better things because they signed with us. Discounting Tammy as it was a loan.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRoss Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 21 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said: The donkey business of defending should be supplied by less skilled people. In amongst your crazy ramblings this statement shows you are also clearly clueless about the concept of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 29 minutes ago, tinman85 said: Engvall? Was one of five we had listed when JK left Had been injured for 5/6 weeks when he came to us (Said they'd learnt lessons about signing injured players - said we'd made that mistake a couple of times) , and struggled to get up to speed ISaid he lost a bit of confidence and interestingly indicated that the rest of the players lost confidence belief in Gustav Said statistically Gustav has gone from 24th (IIRC) best striker in Sweden compared to No 1 with his recent spells back on loan and said that this indicated to him that GE has improved since he's been with us (Don't shoot the messenger - just repeating what was said !) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, hodge said: Thing is if we're talking about recent years (be generous and say last 10) how many players have we really sold upwards because they've done well with us? Maynard, Baldock? Bolasie could I suppose but was more of a punt by Palace on potential, but could still count. Either way I don't think we stand out particularly from the crowd of players going onto better things because they signed with us. Discounting Tammy as it was a loan.... Exactly; about time we operated like the club we are. Best bet for us to be sustainable is to sell players at the peak of their value after identifying them early and developing them. We used to hold onto our best assets for far too long until they lost value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Exactly; about time we operated like the club we are. Best bet for us to be sustainable is to sell players at the peak of their value after identifying them early and developing them. We used to hold onto our best assets for far too long until they lost value. Agree, the fact we then have potential financial clout with SL can come in if we go through a patch where we're not making much through players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 Dont think weve done too badly from a couple of sell on clauses too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: Was one of five we had listed when JK left This is the interesting part for me, if Engvall was targeted as a potential replacement for JK rather than someone we were looking to bring in anyway. I'd then say its very good work by the club to have gotten him in given how late in the window we sold Kodjia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 22 minutes ago, bristolcitysweden said: Far easier to defend than to create It came across that LJ and the coaches were excited / enthusiastic about Eliassons attacking abilities but recognised his flaws without the ball LJ explained , (quite rightly IMO) that they needed to work on his shortcomings and said if he didn't have any - we wouldn't have him Clearly quietly excited about his ability He didn't suggest he will be restricting his attacking abilities Tommy or be turning him into a left back - he merely pointed out that on the plus side he showed what he can do and his quick feet and finish at Watford and the minus at the moment that his flaws off the ball defensively had cost them twice , and the dilemma / balance of the two sides - Thought he spoke very sensibly about Elliasson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said: Dont think weve done too badly from a couple of sell on clauses too. Yep, Bolasie and to a lesser extent Albert. Imagine this is also what the club is looking at, if we buy players young, sell them when we can make big money then there's always the chance they continue to improve and we benefit from sell on clauses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 I asked about Flint, and if he'd had a chance to talk to him yet now the window had closed. He said no but he was planning to tomorrow. He also re-stated as did Mark Ashton, that at no point had Flint come to them and asked to leave, he said he'd been as good as gold in training and hadn't caused any problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBobSuperBob Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 20 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: That's interesting - sounds like the video heavily conveys us as a 'stepping stone'. That's no bad thing necessarily; until relatively recently I always felt we were a bit foolhardy and gave the impression that we were not a selling club. Felt we lost out in the market due to this. What registered with me more PF was the 'in person' selling of the Club to Tammy / Leko Said that he had been up in London with MA talking to Chelsea and agents , drove back to Bristol on a wet night when he got a call to say he could meet Tammy if he wanted to Said he knew he had to turn round and go back up and take the opportunity , which he did - and we know the end result Said that He had met with Leko and explained that we had a young squad that he would get on with and, our ethos , how we try and play , and how we would give him the platform to impress etc etc - Clearly sold the idea well to Leko as this was six weeks or so ago and Leko has been asking for and watching DVD s of all our games etc (Which impressed me I have to say - great attitude / professionalism from Leko) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Dollymarie said: I asked about Flint, and if he'd had a chance to talk to him yet now the window had closed. He said no but he was planning to tomorrow. He also re-stated as did Mark Ashton, that at no point had Flint come to them and asked to leave, he said he'd been as good as gold in training and hadn't caused any problems. Probably because he was scared the club would have "phoned home" and you'd have Tippex'd his favourite inking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said: What registered with me more PF was the selling of the Club to Tammy / Leko Said that He had met with Leko and explained that we had a young squad that he would get on with and, our ethos , how we try and play , and how we would give him the platform to impress etc etc - Clearly sold the idea well to Leko as this was six weeks or so ago and Leko had been asking for DVD s of all our games etc (Which impressed me I have to say) Sounds like perhaps the video is something that works better with the "hard sell" from LJ and MA. Also sounds like a great attitude from Leko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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