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Another Bobby Reid thread

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Not seen comment elsewhere but deserves thread of his own not only for the amazingly skilful and energetic play he is producing at the moment but for the sheer genius of the chance he created for Pato against Reading. Whilst we have that kind of player we are always in with a chance.

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His energy has been commented on by LJ many times. Could be an advantage of his smaller frame.

Such an asset, especially given the way we want to play.

 

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8 minutes ago, Agard Days Night said:

If I recall correctly he's only in the team because he's from the Academy. League One at best I seem to remember. 

Not scored in 2 now......

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17 minutes ago, Agard Days Night said:

If I recall correctly he's only in the team because he's from the Academy. League One at best I seem to remember. 

No doubt this sort of comment will continue to be made throughout this season if he keeps this sort of form up, but people who didn't rate Bobby Reid, had decent enough reason not to. 

As a midfielder he was a 1 good game in 5/6 player. As a striker which is what he's now being judged on, he's been very good. 

Look at Bradley Orr, poor centre midfielder, moved into right back and was class. Hopefully Bobby's form will continue and he'll get us 20 goals this season.

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16 minutes ago, Agard Days Night said:

If I recall correctly he's only in the team because he's from the Academy. League One at best I seem to remember. 

 

9 minutes ago, Super said:

Not scored in 2 now......

To be fair here credit for the change in the boy is down to a number of factors. 

The main one being LJ moving him forward and letting him move without the confines of a job in midfield. The kid looks class in the role Tomlin would have played if he had the energy.

Reid is now picking the runs and the passes but also anticipating the scraps. Watch Flints goal and note who is following in. 

Good luck to the lad , who knew he was a forward in disguise. He didn't and if LJ is to be believed nor did anyone else at the club. 

Keep it up young Bobby fingers crossed you have found your position. 

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It was so frustrating seeing so many on here saying get rid, he's shit, etc. Giving up on our youngsters like that is rather sad. Fair enough, have the opinion that maybe he won't ever be good enough, and give reasons. But it's the way people state their opinions on our own young players is what annoys me. Same applies with Bryan, and same will hopefully also be said in a couple of years for the ones that have not yet done it for us. It was genius by Johnson to play him up top, when his staff suggested not to. He has that Alli work rate and intelligence in finding space, and making himself available for the ball. He clearly already had that instinct to know where the ball will be in the box, as he missed a lot of great chances last season, but now he has the confidence to put his chances away. I hope Diedhiou improves a lot because that will probably get Reid more chances, and more touches in good areas.

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Absolute class bit of play to get Pato in for his chance on Saturday

I think we will always have a great chance of scoring goals with Bobby in the team. He is the most creative player in the final third of the pitch that we have in my opinion.

Keep it up Bobby, you played great again on Saturday and your consistency will be key in our fortunes this season!

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With regards to BR - think there's a couple of people that deserve the plaudits

Bobby himself for getting himself off to that Summer Fitness Boot Camp that he goes to -  :clap:the results and benefits are glaring

LJ , for recognising his potential as a genuine goal threat , and I'm referring to , and going back to early last season when he talked about getting Bobby in on goal as the third man (Anyone else remember that)

Clearly there was a recognition and work on the training ground to that end , and at the time Bobby was getting in good positions but not finishing - IMO there's clear evidence of coaching and developing in Bobbys case

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1 hour ago, Agard Days Night said:

If I recall correctly he's only in the team because he's from the Academy. League One at best I seem to remember. 

Yep. Im guilty of thinking he was nowhere near good enough, I got that wrong. Always happy for players to do that.

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4 minutes ago, Carey 6 said:

No doubt this sort of comment will continue to be made throughout this season if he keeps this sort of form up, but people who didn't rate Bobby Reid, had decent enough reason not to. 

As a midfielder he was a 1 good game in 5/6 player. As a striker which is what he's now being judged on, he's been very good. 

Look at Bradley Orr, poor centre midfielder, moved into right back and was class. Hopefully Bobby's form will continue and he'll get us 20 goals this season.

Exactly. I didn't particularly rate him as a midfielder. I recognised he has ability, but didn't see where he'd fit. Think this role is perfect for him.

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2 minutes ago, RUSSEL85 said:

Yep. Im guilty of thinking he was nowhere near good enough, I got that wrong. Always happy for players to do that.

Nothing wrong with that , or the change of opinion - we can justifiably change our opinions , as players or coaches change their performances

I think the majority view was that Bobby didn't quite have enough to nail down a place long term

I think he's improved greatly and thus , understandably sensible people will see that and be prepared to adjust or change their opinion 

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13 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Nothing wrong with that , or the change of opinion - we can justifiably change our opinions , as players or coaches change their performances

I think the majority view was that Bobby didn't quite have enough to nail down a place long term

I think he's improved greatly and thus , understandably sensible people will see that and be prepared to adjust or change their opinion 

Exactly, always had time for Bobby and thought he was decent, but every time i've seen him this season he looks a class above almost everyone else on the pitch, his touch, anticipation, movement, ability to shift the ball in tight spaces is just something to behold, and something I never saw coming in a million years.

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1 hour ago, REDOXO said:

 

To be fair here credit for the change in the boy is down to a number of factors. 

The main one being LJ moving him forward and letting him move without the confines of a job in midfield. The kid looks class in the role Tomlin would have played if he had the energy.

Reid is now picking the runs and the passes but also anticipating the scraps. Watch Flints goal and note who is following in. 

Good luck to the lad , who knew he was a forward in disguise. He didn't and if LJ is to be believed nor did anyone else at the club. 

Keep it up young Bobby fingers crossed you have found your position. 

He actually played as a striker in the academy. My dad was talking to someone who used to work for the club in the academy and he said that Bobby should've never played as a CM, his natural position is up top.  

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Although the '3rd man' tactic worked well last season (in so far as continually getting the ball to BR in goalscoring positions) the end result was such a shocking and extended series of increasingly unbelievable misses that LJ removed him from the team altogether.

Rumours of a falling out with LJ, and a real possibility that the 3rd man 'last chance' opportunity for BR had been squandered, and perhaps even his entrenched admirer LJ had finally lost patience.

What's changed this season? The Summer fitness training he attended away from the club seems to have had a marked and positive impact on his stamina. Particularly notable because his lack of stamina has been an an ongoing issue for years with him repeatedly fading out of games, needing to be subbed, or only indeed being used as a 20 minute late impact player.

The other change in him is muscle, particularly lower half, and the increase in both stamina and physical build has given him the ability to compete more, and for longer, plus of course there's the surge in confidence from a couple of early efforts hitting the back of the net rather than - as last season and seemingly every season before - ending up in 'Row Z'.

An incredible and unlikely metamorphosis and all very encouraging. The change of position, and dilution of responsibilities - if it continues to pay dividends - will rightly be looked back on as a masterstroke by LJ whether partly forced on him by injury or not.

All the more noteworthy for a player who was going absolutely nowhere in his previous, long accepted, midfield role, and was correctly evaluated as being far too inconsistent for the Championship in that position.

Completely new scenario in his new position and if BR can maintain this level of confidence and fitness, and keep those shooting boots on, he can go far. 

Well done Bobby, keep it up.:clap:

 

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46 minutes ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

Nothing wrong with that , or the change of opinion - we can justifiably change our opinions , as players or coaches change their performances

I think the majority view was that Bobby didn't quite have enough to nail down a place long term

I think he's improved greatly and thus , understandably sensible people will see that and be prepared to adjust or change their opinion 

This probably isn't the right thread to ask this but I thought I would seeing as you've already praised LJ regarding his coaching of Bobby. 

What are your thoughts on LJ now? You were one of the biggest and loudest critics of his last season but you've clearly come into this season with an open find as I've seen you praise him multiple times.

Myself I'm still on the fence. I'm enjoying how we're playing at the moment, I can see we look a lot more solid at the back and I like that we've finally got a clear system which will undoubtedly help the players. However, I'm still so apprehensive of what will happen when we inevitably hit a poor run of form. LJ is clearly able to maintain an in form team as we saw at either end of last season, but he still has question marks over his ability to turn around a losing team and this is my biggest worry. The apparent lack of a plan B is linked to this. I'm a big fan of JMC from everything I've seen so far, and his introduction coincided nicely with our poor run ending (which you highlighted on another thread) so hopefully his abilities and skills have helped fill an area where LJ was lacking.

 As for Bobby, unbelievable season so far, more of the same please!

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45 minutes ago, CityLew said:

He actually played as a striker in the academy. My dad was talking to someone who used to work for the club in the academy and he said that Bobby should've never played as a CM, his natural position is up top.  

Yes he did. But in the academy kids develop physically and mentally and it seemed most until now saw the physicality as being a barrier to being a forward. So perhaps there is a combination of moving him back forward while going through the well documented pre season strength sessions he did away from the club...Either way the kid looks sharp!  

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If he has five bad games it doesn't mean he isn't good enough and the reverse if he has five good games. Will judge him properly in a few months. 

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1 hour ago, Kotsy said:

This probably isn't the right thread to ask this but I thought I would seeing as you've already praised LJ regarding his coaching of Bobby. 

What are your thoughts on LJ now? You were one of the biggest and loudest critics of his last season but you've clearly come into this season with an open find as I've seen you praise him multiple times.

Myself I'm still on the fence. I'm enjoying how we're playing at the moment, I can see we look a lot more solid at the back and I like that we've finally got a clear system which will undoubtedly help the players. However, I'm still so apprehensive of what will happen when we inevitably hit a poor run of form. LJ is clearly able to maintain an in form team as we saw at either end of last season, but he still has question marks over his ability to turn around a losing team and this is my biggest worry. The apparent lack of a plan B is linked to this. I'm a big fan of JMC from everything I've seen so far, and his introduction coincided nicely with our poor run ending (which you highlighted on another thread) so hopefully his abilities and skills have helped fill an area where LJ was lacking.

 As for Bobby, unbelievable season so far, more of the same please!

 

Is it not the case that Bobby is paying for private coaching - you cannot help but think if the club were doing such a good job he would not feel the need to pay and train elsewhere as well. I mean this is not common is it ? I have certainly rarely heard of it, but maybe it's just something not brought up but is widespread in the game. 

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I was never convinced by Bobby in midfield and I stick by that as he is too lightweight in the type of role we need from him at the moment. I still think he needs to do more in his striker role but the striker role does suit him a lot better than the type of midfielder we need.

He's no Gayle but he has potential and his attitude is what impresses me the most, I beleive he could end up going back to a more attacking midfield type role in the long term.

The outstanding questions for me is would another championship club buy him (I think the answer is yes) and where would they play him (I have no idea).

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1 hour ago, Fiale said:

 

Is it not the case that Bobby is paying for private coaching - you cannot help but think if the club were doing such a good job he would not feel the need to pay and train elsewhere as well. I mean this is not common is it ? I have certainly rarely heard of it, but maybe it's just something not brought up but is widespread in the game. 

He went to a private conditioning course  which many other footballers use I believe during the off season,  but is not paying for private coaching to my or anyone elses knowledge that I am aware of. 

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3 hours ago, Fiale said:

 

Is it not the case that Bobby is paying for private coaching - you cannot help but think if the club were doing such a good job he would not feel the need to pay and train elsewhere as well. I mean this is not common is it ? I have certainly rarely heard of it, but maybe it's just something not brought up but is widespread in the game. 

He's been using 'back 2 action' for years in off season. It's not a new revelation. Lots of players/other athletes use it.

Not sure if it's had as much of an impact as people think, it's more that he's improved as a player and the new position suits him. Things like that help of course though.

http://back2action.co.uk/

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3 hours ago, RedDave said:

If he has five bad games it doesn't mean he isn't good enough and the reverse if he has five good games. Will judge him properly in a few months. 

So how on earth can he suffer a dip in form that will turn him into dross? He is all about running, the only way he will be poor is not being able to run.

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10 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

So how on earth can he suffer a dip in form that will turn him into dross? He is all about running, the only way he will be poor is not being able to run.

He has been poor up until this season so you tell me.  And if you think he is just a runner then you are doing him a huge disservice for this season 

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@BobBobSuperBob avoided quoting you....we are starting to suffer from scrolling syndrome with your long posts....have you got a new keyboard, computer etc? :P

Seriously, so many good points in your post.  :clap:

Was chatting with a couple of Bristol Sports guys at the Flyers launch party tonight.  The club is in a strong position, really hope the results on the pitch appear to be starting to match....it is moving in the right direction.

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10 hours ago, extonsred said:

Not seen comment elsewhere but deserves thread of his own not only for the amazingly skilful and energetic play he is producing at the moment but for the sheer genius of the chance he created for Pato against Reading. Whilst we have that kind of player we are always in with a chance.

Exceptional play. Jamie should have buried that one. No excuses. 

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6 hours ago, Fiale said:

 

Is it not the case that Bobby is paying for private coaching - you cannot help but think if the club were doing such a good job he would not feel the need to pay and train elsewhere as well. I mean this is not common is it ? I have certainly rarely heard of it, but maybe it's just something not brought up but is widespread in the game. 

 

3 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

He's been using 'back 2 action' for years in off season. It's not a new revelation. Lots of players/other athletes use it.

Not sure if it's had as much of an impact as people think, it's more that he's improved as a player and the new position suits him. Things like that help of course though.

http://back2action.co.uk/

There's actually a pretty decent article in the Bristol Post about B2A's programme.

 

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/secret-bristol-football-training-camp-154748

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9 hours ago, RedDave said:

He has been poor up until this season so you tell me.  And if you think he is just a runner then you are doing him a huge disservice for this season 

I don't believe he was ' poor ' as you say but lacking a bit of consistency.

Consistency can only be achieved by playing regularly and BR was rarely accorded a run in the team long enough to give him confidence and get to the required level.

His fault perhaps because he didn't affect games as much as he should have or the club's , who knows? , but BR frustrated, now he amazes.

Let's hope that he can maintain his standards and do himself and the club justice.

 

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13 hours ago, BobBobSuperBob said:

 

Tactically I'm still not sure Lee is not finding a rapid learning curve but that is understandable - I think you will find we concentrate on our game more this season rather than worrying about countering the opposition

 

This is an interesting point, as I heard Gary Neville's assessment of Arsenal after their battering by Liverpool where he pointed out that by not altering things depending on the opposition Wenger was being stupid, as you have to counter the opposition in order to impose your style on the game or in the case of that game stop the opposition battering you in the first 20-30 minutes and the game being already over by that point.

However I think Lee went crazy on this last season, completely altering his style and systems depending on the opposition, and that ended up hurting team coherence and I think after the Wednesday game led to Lee himself loosing confidence in his style and system, hence the constant shuffling of the team and in turn him then loosing faith in his players and them loosing confidence in him.

From what I have witnessed so far this season he is keeping the system in place but altering the instructions given to players depending on the opposition and situation, for a perfect example of managers doing this see Huddersfield last night, Schindler was clearly tasked with sticking to Carroll like glue, he would often be beyond his midfielders and up Carroll's arse, which meant one of the more difficult forwards in the Prem to deal with was largely neutralised and baring a hugely fortuitous goal I think Huddersfield would have come out of that game with at worst a point.  And I think that this season so far it seems as if this is the sort of adaptation we are seeing from LJ rather than changes and playing numerous formations in a single game (which to be fair is what a lot of top managers do, but they have the players with the ability to make this changes, as a Championship side we do not) we are seeing players playing the same position but playing a different role, within that position.

I think the main thing for me is that we are establishing a system, once you have a system in place personell changes do not have the impact that they do if you don't have a relatively rigid system, and you can change players without un-balancing the side (take England Under Venables as a perfect example of this, it didn't really matter who he picked as the system worked, so he could chop and change players with little impact on the side as a whole)

I think LJ still has a lot to learn but the signs are encouraging that he is learning, which is all you can ask from a young manager, he's going to make mistakes and I wouldn't be surprised if we don't get the odd stuffing this season (tonight is the sort of game that I can see us loosing heavily if Wolves get ahead as we push on to score and get opened up)

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