Red Army 75 Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 In favour of transfer window closing before season starts . But want to be able to loan players upto the 31st of august . IMO I agree with that . Get most of your side ready for the start. instead of all the palaver whilst the season has started Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 is this a new change in rules ? from where ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted September 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/efl-clubs-keen-to-close-windows-earlier/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 yes but surely the premier league will do what they want not give a **** about anyone else and be backed by Sky who messed up in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You Do The Dziekanowski Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Rocking Red Cyril said: yes but surely the premier league will do what they want not give a **** about anyone else and be backed by Sky who messed up in the first place Prem started it and the window is now shutting before the season starts across the leagues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordie Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Also suggesting in cup games 10 players from the previous game should be named on the team sheet. I assume it means named in the squad and not to start the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 The rules about playing strongest teams at all times were introduced in bygone days a long time ago when even clubs at the upper end of the First Division, had a first team that only changed for injuries, the rare suspensions, players away on international duty and loss of form. The reserves team that played in the Central League or Football Combination was exactly what it was called. A reserve team, a second team if some older has beens and young ones, hoping to make it. The situation now is completely different. Even City's squad of around twenty six has current internationals who at this moment are not regarded as automatic choices for us but are continually chosen to play for their country Assuming everyone of our squad were fit, we could have played a side against Stoke in which none of the starting eleven had played against Derby, yet with maybe one or two exceptions, could be considered as strong. So, I say, allow clubs to field a team of anyone they want from their first team squad, irrespective of who it contains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishRed Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 40 minutes ago, gordie said: Also suggesting in cup games 10 players from the previous game should be named on the team sheet. I assume it means named in the squad and not to start the game. Can't see that being agreed. The PL is all that matters to the bigger PL clubs, they only start taking the cups seriously when / if they get to the later stages. I also suspect that their support feel the same way. The fact the season ticket holders have to fork out for cup games influences it too given the cost involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 34 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: The rules about playing strongest teams at all times were introduced in bygone days a long time ago when even clubs at the upper end of the First Division, had a first team that only changed for injuries, the rare suspensions, players away on international duty and loss of form. The reserves team that played in the Central League or Football Combination was exactly what it was called. A reserve team, a second team if some older has beens and young ones, hoping to make it. The situation now is completely different. Even City's squad of around twenty six has current internationals who at this moment are not regarded as automatic choices for us but are continually chosen to play for their country Assuming everyone of our squad were fit, we could have played a side against Stoke in which none of the starting eleven had played against Derby, yet with maybe one or two exceptions, could be considered as strong. So, I say, allow clubs to field a team of anyone they want from their first team squad, irrespective of who it contains. I agree andI have to wonder whether they would be leaving themselves open to some sort of legal challenge from players groups. It's almost a restriction of trade for those who are not regular players, clubs would have to consider whether it's worth having a large squad if they can't rotate players and this could mean players being forced out of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, gordie said: Also suggesting in cup games 10 players from the previous game should be named on the team sheet. I assume it means named in the squad and not to start the game. Why? That's what clubs have squads for! It's surely up to each club to select the team they wish too, from the squad of players that they pay a lot of money for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty Swallocks Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 15 hours ago, Rocking Red Cyril said: yes but surely the premier league will do what they want not give a **** about anyone else and be backed by Sky who messed up in the first place I love it when people rant without having any knowledge on the topic they are ranting on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, gordie said: Also suggesting in cup games 10 players from the previous game should be named on the team sheet. I assume it means named in the squad and not to start the game. Were they? The quote from the article on our official site spoke only about league games: "Today, Clubs were asked to support the implementation of guidance on the following basis: ‘From the fourth Thursday in March, any team sheet for a League game should include at least 10 outfield players who featured on the team sheet for the League game before.’ Clubs indicated they were in support of amending the policy guidance and a formal vote will now take place at the February Club meeting." It's to do with the 'issue' of clubs playing weakened teams towards the end of a league season once their own position is secured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roe Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 "At least 10 outfield players" you say? I've got a cunning plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 6 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Were they? The quote from the article on our official site spoke only about league games: "Today, Clubs were asked to support the implementation of guidance on the following basis: ‘From the fourth Thursday in March, any team sheet for a League game should include at least 10 outfield players who featured on the team sheet for the League game before.’ Clubs indicated they were in support of amending the policy guidance and a formal vote will now take place at the February Club meeting." It's to do with the 'issue' of clubs playing weakened teams towards the end of a league season once their own position is secured. A complete waste of time, like the unenforceable driving laws they keep coming up with. I'll bet every player by March is carrying an injury of some kind, any medical team worth their salt will be able to make a case for not playing any player that they want to rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 21 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: A complete waste of time, like the unenforceable driving laws they keep coming up with. I'll bet every player by March is carrying an injury of some kind, any medical team worth their salt will be able to make a case for not playing any player that they want to rest. Or, as we have seen with the attempt at this sort of thing in the Checkatrade Trophy, clubs will just ignore it and hand over the £3,000 fine. It's not necessary anyway IMO. If you're safe by March then you're entitled to use your squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 29 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: A complete waste of time, like the unenforceable driving laws they keep coming up with. I'll bet every player by March is carrying an injury of some kind, any medical team worth their salt will be able to make a case for not playing any player that they want to rest. Yep, negligence to play a fatigued player. Play who you want when you want. It’s not your fault that another club is in relegation trouble and relying on you to get a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordie Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said: Were they? The quote from the article on our official site spoke only about league games: "Today, Clubs were asked to support the implementation of guidance on the following basis: ‘From the fourth Thursday in March, any team sheet for a League game should include at least 10 outfield players who featured on the team sheet for the League game before.’ Clubs indicated they were in support of amending the policy guidance and a formal vote will now take place at the February Club meeting." It's to do with the 'issue' of clubs playing weakened teams towards the end of a league season once their own position is secured. Yes I may have misunderstood but I read this and assumed that was what it meant and it says competition Following the widespread attention surrounding the matter of team selection received in the closing weeks of the 2016/17 season, it was determined at the Summer Conference in June that the EFL would work up a policy to determine what constitutes a ‘full strength’ team to remove any ambiguity and further potential reputational damage to the EFL and its competitions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 2 hours ago, ExiledAjax said: Were they? The quote from the article on our official site spoke only about league games: "Today, Clubs were asked to support the implementation of guidance on the following basis: ‘From the fourth Thursday in March, any team sheet for a League game should include at least 10 outfield players who featured on the team sheet for the League game before.’ Clubs indicated they were in support of amending the policy guidance and a formal vote will now take place at the February Club meeting." It's to do with the 'issue' of clubs playing weakened teams towards the end of a league season once their own position is secured. Thanks for pointing out the actual quote/scenario. I thought the subject was only related to EFL League Cup games I can see where that is coming from, I assume the Birmingham v Huddersfield game last season as the prime recent example, but wonder if my comments are still valid. We could at the moment play two totally different starting elevens which could be of the same "standard" as each other. Other posters, please don't come back and nit pick on that comment about individual players, as it is meant to be a statement that it would be very difficult for the EFL to prove that one is weaker than the other, irrespective of who played in the previous match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted September 22, 2017 Report Share Posted September 22, 2017 Is there much point in 'closing' the transfer window but allowing loans? Clubs would just do loan deals with the obligation to buy, it's exactly the same as signing a player. There will always be a way around it unless the rules are black and white. Shut the window before the season starts and that's the end of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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