Super Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 I know many don't care but really a bonus for qualifying from a piss easy group?! https://talksport.com/football/gareth-southgate-fans-furious-england-boss-will-receive-bonus-if-three-lions-qualify-world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarReds Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 That money would go a long way in Youth Football, at the FA or even more so at your every day local club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 If it was in his contact then he's entitled to it . I'd be more inclined to have a dig at the morons who run the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTBLUE Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 3 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said: If it was in his contact then he's entitled to it . I'd be more inclined to have a dig at the morons who run the game. Yep,he probably didn't even ask for it,but was offered it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 4 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said: If it was in his contact then he's entitled to it . I'd be more inclined to have a dig at the morons who run the game. Absolutely agree. I don't blame him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 21 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said: If it was in his contact then he's entitled to it . I'd be more inclined to have a dig at the morons who run the game. This, no blame to Southgate for this, do people expect him to ask them to take it out? I expect England managers have had this clause for a long time so not exactly sure how its news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Who needs England when you support Bristol City? Proper football! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milan djurichimovic Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Sums up the FA joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Of course he should have some kind of performance related pay. He's in a performance business. It would be ludicrous to pay someone a load of money without offering any kind of incentive to achieve the first step to success in a line of business that is entirely results based. Not sure it should matter what the group is. Qualifying is all that matters. In my lifetime we've not qualified for 5 tournaments and not got out the group stage in another 5. No wonder the organisation structures the pay of it's key manager to incentivise meeting these targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 hour ago, The Bard said: Of course he should have some kind of performance related pay. He's in a performance business. It would be ludicrous to pay someone a load of money without offering any kind of incentive to achieve the first step to success in a line of business that is entirely results based. Not sure it should matter what the group is. Qualifying is all that matters. In my lifetime we've not qualified for 5 tournaments and not got out the group stage in another 5. No wonder the organisation structures the pay of it's key manager to incentivise meeting these targets. Rubbish. He should get a bonus for reaching a Qf in a major competition not getting out of a group like this which any no hoper could do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC_Dan Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 15 hours ago, Super said: Rubbish. He should get a bonus for reaching a Qf in a major competition not getting out of a group like this which any no hoper could do. Well presumably he would. Even the FA aren't silly enough to give him a contract that only incentivizes qualification are they? The man was given a job to do and he's done it. How difficult it was, or how else the money could be used, are not really of any consequence here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanker Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 19 hours ago, AppyDAZE said: Who needs England when you support Bristol City? Proper football! Absolutely, excitingly time at the gate and I rate Johnson over Southgate as a manager all day long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy27 Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Qualifying from that group should have been an ABSOLUTE MINIMUM. Do any of you get a bonus at your work for achieving the absolute minimum? Ridiculous to offer that, especially as he was basically the bottom of the barrel option for the job anyway. If Ancellotti would accept the job right now, I would do what is required to get him in before the WC personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Do people really think it'd be different for the France manager, Spain manager etc? Imagine this is pretty standard. Expect Arsene gets a nice bonus for finishing fourth every year. City would have received prize money last year for narrowly avoiding relegation despite the fans expectations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Sack him now. Might as well have kept Hodgson. Although the football we've played under Southgate has actually been worse somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Listening to some of ex pros recently. At the highest level, most footballers have an adequate skill set and knowledge of tactics and how they fit in to systems. The difference between players/teams at the highest level is motivation and confidence. Do we think Southgate is a man who is a great motivator and inspires confidence? Did anyone before his appointment, bar the FA, think so? You get what you deserve. The FA appointed their man. Boring, crass, shapeless and negative football summed up by Henderson now being an auto choice (and captain!) and orchestrating the whole dismal show on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 Of course, all parties, including fans and the general public, expected qualification as an absolute minimum, and the bonus aspect may well have been overblown. In fact, it is probably all academic because if, as has been stated, the salary package was circa. £3M, it was probably easier for public consumption to say 'circa. £3M plus/including a bonus of £250K if you qualify'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted October 6, 2017 Report Share Posted October 6, 2017 I don't think the bonus makes a jot of difference to Gareth, he will want to do his best by his team whatever. He seems like a decent bloke, but not a very good manager. Maybe things will be different in the WC and I will judge him after that. Piss poor penalty taker though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampshire Red Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 Most fans on OTiB seemed a bit cautious of Lee Johnson earlier this year? Now most seem to think our good league run will go on forever and we'll win the cup and go to Europe. Some also suggest our remarkable Head Coach will then leave City to replace Southgate as England manager. Is this a fair summary of the past 9 months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, Hampshire Red said: Most fans on OTiB seemed a bit cautious of Lee Johnson earlier this year? Now most seem to think our good league run will go on forever and we'll win the cup and go to Europe. Some also suggest our remarkable Head Coach will then leave City to replace Southgate as England manager. Is this a fair summary of the past 9 months? No, not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RumRed Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 18 minutes ago, Hampshire Red said: Most fans on OTiB seemed a bit cautious of Lee Johnson earlier this year? Now most seem to think our good league run will go on forever and we'll win the cup and go to Europe. Some also suggest our remarkable Head Coach will then leave City to replace Southgate as England manager. Is this a fair summary of the past 9 months? Lee Johnson: was good, then utter sh*te, then got good again. Could keep being good or could go back to being utter sh*te, the joys of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 I was looking forward to the Slovenia game, after what I thought was one of most watchable performances of recent years v Slovakia. I was let down. Whilst I totally accept that England do not have the talent pool of yesteryear, nor are we anything better than around the 20 mark in FIFA rankings, we have enough decent players to play better than we did v Slovenia, and several other group games. Now, without being hypocritical, because I don’t think formations are the be-all and end-all, but why did we need to play 2 ‘holding’ midfielders in front of a back 4...Henderson and Dier? We were also at home. Neither JH or ED try to break through the lines, so we end up with 4 (Sterling, Kane, Oxlade, Rashford) up against 2 banks of 4, or sometimes a back 4 and 5 strung across. Walker didn’t see enough of the ball, went too much down the left, where Rashford did well, but Bertrand has become another expansive left back for club (and selected as such) who seems frightened to play that way for England. See Baines, and Ashley Cole in his final 50 caps. I’m not naive to think I could do a better job than Southgate, but would we play much worse if he just told them to go out and play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 22 hours ago, Carey 6 said: Sack him now. Might as well have kept Hodgson. Although the football we've played under Southgate has actually been worse somehow. The FA have to be brave & choose a head coach who isn't an invertabrate ........get comfortable,help yourself to a beer and be ready for a long wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said: The FA have to be brave & choose a head coach who isn't an invertabrate ........get comfortable,help yourself to a beer and be ready for a long wait. I posted before that Southgate is the FAs "safe pair of hands". He's completely corporate in his thinking. Nothing remotely controversial about him. He's not going to do or say anything that might embarrass the FA. The fact that he has no managerial record to speak of means bugger all to the FA. Untill the FA change their "safety first" attitude and appoint someone with a more controversial attitude England will get nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Coach Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, Robbored said: I posted before that Southgate is the FAs "safe pair of hands". He's completely corporate in his thinking. Nothing remotely controversial about him. He's not going to do or say anything that might embarrass the FA. The fact that he has no managerial record to speak of means bugger all to the FA. Untill the FA change their "safety first" attitude and appoint someone with a more controversial attitude England will get nowhere. Can’t believe for once I am agreeing with your comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 7, 2017 Report Share Posted October 7, 2017 4 hours ago, Robbored said: I posted before that Southgate is the FAs "safe pair of hands". He's completely corporate in his thinking. Nothing remotely controversial about him. He's not going to do or say anything that might embarrass the FA. I agree, but I do wonder why he commented on Mark Sampson the other week. Unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonR Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 On 07/10/2017 at 12:38, Robbored said: I posted before that Southgate is the FAs "safe pair of hands". He's completely corporate in his thinking. Nothing remotely controversial about him. He's not going to do or say anything that might embarrass the FA. The fact that he has no managerial record to speak of means bugger all to the FA. Untill the FA change their "safety first" attitude and appoint someone with a more controversial attitude England will get nowhere. I wish you were wrong, but you hit the nail on the head there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 On 07/10/2017 at 12:38, Robbored said: I posted before that Southgate is the FAs "safe pair of hands". He's completely corporate in his thinking. Nothing remotely controversial about him. He's not going to do or say anything that might embarrass the FA. The fact that he has no managerial record to speak of means bugger all to the FA. Untill the FA change their "safety first" attitude and appoint someone with a more controversial attitude England will get nowhere. Unfortunately @Robbored you're spot on. I've never known an England manager to be so dull and uninspiring. The fact that his only previous management job prior to the u21s was manager of Middlesborough (who he relegated to the Championship) is shocking. Is it really a surprise that this team is so dull and boring? The FA seem to have the opinion that they went foreign in Sven and Capello, who never worked out great, so wanted to go back to home grown English managers. Southgate is the best we have, yeah ok then..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Who is the right person to manage England, that would want to? Personally I don't have a problem with Southgate, as I don't think I know who is the right choice. Until we have enough truly world class players coming through, it's going to be a poison chalice for anyone. Hopefully some of the younger lads coming through are good enough technically to make the grade. Maybe the current U20's coach will be the right choice in a few years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted October 9, 2017 Report Share Posted October 9, 2017 Didn't Gareth oncecoach the under 21's? I think they would have made abetter hash of the last 2 games than the senior team. That said, the average age of yesterdays team was only 24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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