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Red Army 75

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So with proper football back Friday night . Against a team who will have 11 men behind the ball . After Back to back 4-0 defeats . What team are we likely to see . I'm going        

                                 FF

EP / BW.         AF.            NB.              JM

JP.                   KS.            JB.              COD

                         FD.            BR

Pretty predictable. Could be ZV at right back depending on injuries. Thoughts

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4 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

So with proper football back Friday night . Against a team who will have 11 men behind the ball . After Back to back 4-0 defeats . What team are we likely to see . I'm going        

                                 FF

EP / BW.         AF.            NB.              JM

JP.                   KS.            JB.              COD

                         FD.            BR

Pretty predictable. Could be ZV at right back depending on injuries. Thoughts

Would like to see Eliasson start personally, with O'Dowda on the right plenty of pace and stretch the pitch. I like Paterson but for me he comes inside too much and I think will neeed width on Friday 

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Just now, daored said:

Would like to see Eliasson start personally, with O'Dowda on the right plenty of pace and stretch the pitch. I like Paterson but for me he comes inside too much and I think will neeed width on Friday 

He makes things happen though. And I've questioned his role many times, but he has a knack for being involved in so many of our goals. 

Team will be the same as always, with Vyner (or possibly Pisano if fully fit) coming in. 

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5 minutes ago, daored said:

Would like to see Eliasson start personally, with O'Dowda on the right plenty of pace and stretch the pitch. I like Paterson but for me he comes inside too much and I think will neeed width on Friday 

I was thinking Eliasson. But for COD . Would like to see him from the start. But I can't see it tomorrow. Also have leko . All depends on bumps and bruises. Looking forward to the press conference today . Also MP . Has JB taken his place 

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9 minutes ago, daored said:

Would like to see Eliasson start personally, with O'Dowda on the right plenty of pace and stretch the pitch. I like Paterson but for me he comes inside too much and I think will neeed width on Friday 

You'd take our most creative player out of the team against a team that are going to try and shut us out..?!

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Can't see many changes, depending on EP's fitness.
 I would love to see Leko and Eliasson on the wings from the off , to really have a go and get an early goal. Won't happen though.

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30 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

So with proper football back Friday night . Against a team who will have 11 men behind the ball . After Back to back 4-0 defeats . What team are we likely to see . I'm going        

                                 FF

EP / BW.         AF.            NB.              JM

JP.                   KS.            JB.              COD

                         FD.            BR

Pretty predictable. Could be ZV at right back depending on injuries. Thoughts

Pretty sure Joe Bryan will get the nod at left back rather than a playing recall for Jamie McAllister.

Other than that, Paterson will be on the left and wouldn't be surprised if Burton at home was a chance for Leko or Eliasson to start one. COD will definitely start versus Leeds tho.

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30 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

So with proper football back Friday night . Against a team who will have 11 men behind the ball . After Back to back 4-0 defeats . What team are we likely to see . I'm going        

                                 FF

EP / BW.         AF.            NB.              JM

JP.                   KS.            JB.              COD

                         FD.            BR

Pretty predictable. Could be ZV at right back depending on injuries. Thoughts

Who is JM at left back???

Jamie McAllister???

Joe Bryan in centre midfield???

 

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1 minute ago, Ian M said:

Pretty sure Joe Bryan will get the nod at left back rather than a playing recall for Jamie McAllister.

Other than that, Paterson will be on the left and wouldn't be surprised if Burton at home was a chance for Leko or Eliasson to start one. COD will definitely start versus Leeds tho.

 

1 minute ago, Redtucks said:

Who is JM at left back???

Jamie McAllister???

Joe Bryan in centre midfield???

 

Snap!!!

 

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18 minutes ago, Ian M said:

Pretty sure Joe Bryan will get the nod at left back rather than a playing recall for Jamie McAllister.

Other than that, Paterson will be on the left and wouldn't be surprised if Burton at home was a chance for Leko or Eliasson to start one. COD will definitely start versus Leeds tho.

But its only Burton, we can get away with playing McAllister against them surely and keep Joe back for Leeds :whistle:

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46 minutes ago, daored said:

Would like to see Eliasson start personally, with O'Dowda on the right plenty of pace and stretch the pitch. I like Paterson but for me he comes inside too much and I think will neeed width on Friday 

dropping pato is madness, he's the top creater in the championship and has been involved with over half our goals,

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3 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

dropping pato is madness, he's the top creater in the championship and has been involved with over half our goals,

Patterson will start no question. Unthinkable to drop him for a young player considering his form.

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31 minutes ago, Ian M said:

Pretty sure Joe Bryan will get the nod at left back rather than a playing recall for Jamie McAllister.

Other than that, Paterson will be on the left and wouldn't be surprised if Burton at home was a chance for Leko or Eliasson to start one. COD will definitely start versus Leeds tho.

 

31 minutes ago, Redtucks said:

Who is JM at left back???

Jamie McAllister???

Joe Bryan in centre midfield???

 

Sorry it was meant to be Joe Bryan left back . Josh Brownhill centre midfield 

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I’d certainly have Pack in against Burton.  For me it’s:

Fielding / Pisano (if fit) Flint Baker Bryan / Pack Smith Brownhill Paterson / Reid Diedhiou

O’Dowda and Leko second half subs.

We will need to work hard against Burton and shouldn’t approach the game lightly.  We will have a lot of possession and need the players to exploit that.  Use the wingers as Burton tire.

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1 hour ago, Red Army 75 said:

So with proper football back Friday night . Against a team who will have 11 men behind the ball . After Back to back 4-0 defeats . What team are we likely to see . I'm going        

                                 FF

EP / BW.         AF.            NB.              JM

JP.                   KS.            JB.              COD

                         FD.            BR

Pretty predictable. Could be ZV at right back depending on injuries. Thoughts

                                        GK

               RB                    CH                      LB

                                  RH           LH

                         IR                                IL

            RW                        CF                          LW

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6 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

I’d certainly have Pack in against Burton.  For me it’s:

Fielding / Pisano (if fit) Flint Baker Bryan / Pack Smith Brownhill Paterson / Reid Diedhiou

O’Dowda and Leko second half subs.

We will need to work hard against Burton and shouldn’t approach the game lightly.  We will have a lot of possession and need the players to exploit that.  Use the wingers as Burton tire.

I don't see how we can play all 3 of them without sacrificing width? Brownhill on the right hand side maybe?

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Just keep it as similar to our recent wins as possible. Pack or Brownhill, not fussed. Wright or pisano right back. Everything else the same. 

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4 minutes ago, downendcity said:

                                        GK

               RB                    CH                      LB

                                  RH           LH

                         IR                                IL

            RW                        CF                          LW

No chance 

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Just now, JonDolman said:

Just keep it as similar to our recent wins as possible. Pack or Brownhill, not fussed. Wright or pisano right back. Everything else the same. 

This is spot on IMHO. We have game changers on the bench so why try to fix something that isn't broken? Korey seems to be nailed on so it's him plus one of the other 2 isn't it?

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I'd be disappointed if Brownhill doesn't start. He brings much more energy and go forward to the team.

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If Leko plays I doubt Vyner will, unless LJ thinks there is no threat from Burton that side. Brownhill provides cover in front and makes it easier for the newby. If Pisano is fit and plays I can see Leko getting a start, although ODowda has a strong case.
Brownhill will hopefully play, bit more creativity in CM and if Joe is fit I can't see many other changes.

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So, apart from the fitness of Eros, the only dilemmas LJ seemingly has are Marlon or Josh to partner Korey and who plays wide right, COD, Leko or whoever misses out in the middle?

These aren't really tough issues for him in comparison to previous issues are they?

FWIW, I would leave well alone and go with Josh and COD with Marlon and Leko / Elliasson on the bench. I do agree with 1960maaan, in that I can't see Leko starting if Vyner plays as that would be a very inexperienced right hand side.

I'm assuming Joe B is over his 'knock'?

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2 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

You'd take our most creative player out of the team against a team that are going to try and shut us out..?!

 

2 hours ago, Monkeh said:

dropping pato is madness, he's the top creater in the championship and has been involved with over half our goals,

I'm not questioning his effectiveness and I like Paterson. However I think against Burton they're going to be tough to break down and we will need width and direct play. I would certainly have Paterson against Leeds where we will need his more clever play 

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1 hour ago, Red Army 75 said:

No chance 

Certainly not in my lifetime!

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1 hour ago, Ska Junkie said:

This is spot on IMHO. We have game changers on the bench so why try to fix something that isn't broken? Korey seems to be nailed on so it's him plus one of the other 2 isn't it?

I agree, keep a winning side but out of those three midfielders, Korey Smith has been the one I have been the least impressed with.

Well, I have been impressed with Korey but for me, Pack and Brownhill have performed better which is odd because Korey normally keeps his place.

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16 minutes ago, daored said:

 

I'm not questioning his effectiveness and I like Paterson. However I think against Burton they're going to be tough to break down and we will need width and direct play. I would certainly have Paterson against Leeds where we will need his more clever play 

It still doesn't make sense to take our most (the divisions most!) effective goal creator out of the team! 

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4 minutes ago, CityLew said:

I agree, keep a winning side but out of those three midfielders, Korey Smith has been the one I have been the least impressed with.

Well, I have been impressed with Korey but for me, Pack and Brownhill have performed better which is odd because Korey normally keeps his place.

Watch the Ipswich highlights again, Korey is playing with so much confidence at the moment that he doesn't even appear to suffer any nose bleeds in the final third, something I've never known of him in his time with us!

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2 hours ago, Ska Junkie said:

I don't see how we can play all 3 of them without sacrificing width? Brownhill on the right hand side maybe?

Yes, Brownhill wide(ish) right.  It worked very effectively earlier in the season.  We struggle to break down teams who give us a lot of possession, and I think we will need to work hard and be patient (as we had to be against Millwall and Bolton).  I would like to see incisive attacking midfield play, and having both Brownhill and Smith driving forward with Pack sitting behind strikes me as the way to go.

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Don't expect any changes, only depends on the fitness of Pisano and Wright, if one of them is fit they'll start right back. If they're not LJ will have to decide if he goes back to Vyner or moves Korey to right back till one of EP or BW is fit with Brownhill and Pack at CM. 

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8 minutes ago, CityLew said:

I agree, keep a winning side but out of those three midfielders, Korey Smith has been the one I have been the least impressed with.

Well, I have been impressed with Korey but for me, Pack and Brownhill have performed better which is odd because Korey normally keeps his place.

Last season, when he returned, Korey dropped below his normal standards but is absolutely flying at the mo. It seems pretty clear that he's the main man in central midfield, nothing wrong with that but I would ask a question and this is no criticism of anyone but is there any reason that Marlon and Josh couldn't play together? Are they both predominantly missing something that Korey brings or something?

As I said, it's not a criticism of anyone, just a genuine question.

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11 minutes ago, Ian M said:

Watch the Ipswich highlights again, Korey is playing with so much confidence at the moment that he doesn't even appear to suffer any nose bleeds in the final third, something I've never known of him in his time with us!

Probably nit picking but when you watch those highlights again you'll see one of the Ipswich chances from a Korey Smith mistake which he seems to be doing once or twice a game. All 3 of Brownhill, Pack and Smith are different types so it'll always be 2 of the 3 but Korey for me has made the most mistakes in dangerous spots on the pitch. 

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12 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

Last season, when he returned, Korey dropped below his normal standards but is absolutely flying at the mo. It seems pretty clear that he's the main man in central midfield, nothing wrong with that but I would ask a question and this is no criticism of anyone but is there any reason that Marlon and Josh couldn't play together? Are they both predominantly missing something that Korey brings or something?

As I said, it's not a criticism of anyone, just a genuine question.

I went to the pre-season game at Bristol Manor Farm and being so close to the pitch, I noticed something about Korey that I hadn't really noticed before, his communication and leadership skills. In fact, it seemed like he wouldn't shut up :laughcont:  

Perhaps this is a trait that LJ appreciates and perhaps Brownhill and Pack don't possess that to an extent?

Anyway, I've always thought Korey was our best midfielder the last few seasons (even when he tallied off) but perhaps the performances of Pack and especially Brownhill have made me feel that Korey has been the least impressive this season?

Perhaps I should watch those long highlights of Ipswich away?... :P

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Fielding 

2 hours ago, BCFC Josh said:

              Fielding

 Vyner Flint Baker Bryan

Leko Smith Pack Paterson 

                 Reid

              Diedhiou 

I would go with this to maybe have Eros at RB, think Marlon physical presence will be more beneficial against burton than Josh. 

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Didn't LJ say that Brownhill didn't fit into how we played at home and so pack wold play our home games with Brownhill playing away? 

Anyway I'd go for

Fielding

Pisano/Vyner Flint Baker Bryan

Leko Pack Smith Elliason 

Diedhiou Reid

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4 hours ago, daored said:

Would like to see Eliasson start personally, with O'Dowda on the right plenty of pace and stretch the pitch. I like Paterson but for me he comes inside too much and I think will neeed width on Friday 

Thing is COD won't stretch much on the right as he'll constantly be cutting inside.

Burton will want to be compact so let’s make the pitch big. COD on the left, Eliasson on the right, we’re bloody good enough not to worry about being open especially with our centurions at the back, so let’s go 4-4-2 and hammer them 9-0.

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1 hour ago, daored said:

 

I'm not questioning his effectiveness and I like Paterson. However I think against Burton they're going to be tough to break down and we will need width and direct play. I would certainly have Paterson against Leeds where we will need his more clever play 

and thats the very reason he MUST start

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CH

 

RI     ST     MA

 

ST     RE     EF     OR     MA

 

TI

ON

 

 

 

    

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39 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

and thats the very reason he MUST start

Well the positive out of us having different views is, it shows how strong our squad is this season. We have come a long way from having limited options to , several which wouldn't have a negative impact on our team. We all have our different views and each can be argued !

 

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1 hour ago, CityLew said:

I went to the pre-season game at Bristol Manor Farm and being so close to the pitch, I noticed something about Korey that I hadn't really noticed before, his communication and leadership skills. In fact, it seemed like he wouldn't shut up :laughcont:  

Perhaps this is a trait that LJ appreciates and perhaps Brownhill and Pack don't possess that to an extent?

Anyway, I've always thought Korey was our best midfielder the last few seasons (even when he tallied off) but perhaps the performances of Pack and especially Brownhill have made me feel that Korey has been the least impressive this season?

Perhaps I should watch those long highlights of Ipswich away?... :P

Jesus, I say "Perhaps" a lot, don't I!

Take a shot a vodka for every "Perhaps" :laughcont:

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55 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said:

CH

 

RI     ST     MA

 

ST     RE     EF     OR     MA

 

TI

ON

 

 

 

    

I actually looked at this for a full 3-5 seconds and thinking "Who are these guys" :grr:

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4 hours ago, downendcity said:

                                        GK

               RB                    CH                      LB

                                  RH           LH

                         IR                                IL

            RW                        CF                          LW

Come on, get it right.

                                                 GK

                                      RB                  LB

                               RH              CH             LH

                        RW         IR         CF      IL        LW

Subs: None................not yet allowed!

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Would definitely have Pack in as much better at playing longer balls forward, better vision- Smith too much sideways which increases possession but less likely to break a packed-ha-ha midfield.

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1 hour ago, BRISTOL86 said:

CH

 

RI     ST     MA

 

ST     RE     EF     OR     MA

 

TI

ON

 

 

 

    

**** me have we signed 11 new players during the international break?.......

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2 hours ago, Robin1988 said:

Thing is COD won't stretch much on the right as he'll constantly be cutting inside.

Burton will want to be compact so let’s make the pitch big. COD on the left, Eliasson on the right, we’re bloody good enough not to worry about being open especially with our centurions at the back, so let’s go 4-4-2 and hammer them 9-0.

I totally get your point and you're correct. But I still think COD is our best option on the right when you have BW at RB. He gives us the movement front to back that we lack in playing BW behind him and will work, press and track back for the full 90. 

You could also make a case for him playing there if BW is out. He does cut inside a lot but still carries a threat and puts them on  the back foot. If we had JV or Eros behind him (who are more inclined to get forward) COD cutting  inside would actually create the space for them to overlap and get the ball in. 

Its not his natural position but like BW at RB he has done a great job filling in there. And is the best option at the moment. Leko prefers the left as well (I think?) and is great if we're struggling to break the opposition down late in the game and NE looks like he will be fantastic but they both lack COD's work rate to continually press high and track back all the time. 

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7 hours ago, Ska Junkie said:

So, apart from the fitness of Eros, the only dilemmas LJ seemingly has are Marlon or Josh to partner Korey and who plays wide right, COD, Leko or whoever misses out in the middle?

These aren't really tough issues for him in comparison to previous issues are they?

FWIW, I would leave well alone and go with Josh and COD with Marlon and Leko / Elliasson on the bench. I do agree with 1960maaan, in that I can't see Leko starting if Vyner plays as that would be a very inexperienced right hand side.

I'm assuming Joe B is over his 'knock'?

Agree with your summary. Personally I'd go with Leko starting on the rhs, not COD - that is providing BW or Eros is fit to start. If it's Vyner at RB then makes sense to start with COD.

 

 

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Who says Burton will have 11 men behind the ball?

Nigel Clough took them to Spain during the international break to rediscover themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if they come at us hard from the off. 

We mustn't be fooled by their lack of Championship pedigree - they are not in the bottom 3 like Bolton are - who we struggled to score 2 against. Burton are here on merit and we have to treat them with the same respect as Leeds, Villa or Cardiff tomorrow. 

That means we must start with our strongest 11 - none of this 'resting key players' for me - if we fail to win tomorrow the doubters will be out in force and LJ and the boys need to bear that in mind. This is the chance for them to bury the ghost of last season and show some real intent. 

Strongest 11 to start - let fringe players have a go only in the VERY unlikely event we are 3-0 up on 75 minutes. 

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10 hours ago, Red Army 75 said:

So with proper football back Friday night . Against a team who will have 11 men behind the ball . After Back to back 4-0 defeats . What team are we likely to see . I'm going        

                                 FF

EP / BW.         AF.            NB.              JM

JP.                   KS.            JB.              COD

                         FD.            BR

Pretty predictable. Could be ZV at right back depending on injuries. Thoughts

Think pack will start instead of Josh , he has more guile to unlock a defence imo 

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