One Team Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 3 hours ago, Fjmcity said: @Mkelly Simple question, do you think it is acceptable to have that light shining at you throughout a game of football? As I said in my original post, the theatre, nightclubs, music events, all seem to get away with near pitch black during performances. Spot on this. We have the same problem in the South Stand with all the lights at the top of the stand blazing into our eyes the entire game. I am considering putting in a claim for eye strain and migraines it's ridiculous! Sort it out City it's a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stortz Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 15 minutes ago, Robbored said: We didn't arrange a precise time CR. if we had, say 2.45pm then I'd have been there. Another meeting between you and a club official that didn't go to plan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, Stortz said: Another meeting between you and a club official that didn't go to plan! Ummm.......there was no plan....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 32 minutes ago, Robbored said: Ummm.......there was no plan....... You arranged to meet him before the game. He was there and you didn't show up until kick off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 1 hour ago, ChippenhamRed said: So you're facepalming Mark for "not showing up" but are now admitting you were 15 minutes late for your pre-planned meeting having lost track of time? Isn't there a special award for people like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denbury Red Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 Back on the light topic - having previously raised this issue after the Plymouth and Stoke games particularly - credit where credit is due - the advertising brightness last night, from the Lansdown Stand Lower, was the best it’s been -so thanks for responding and eventually getting this sorted. Please don’t revert to any brighter for afternoon games either - thanks. I would have to agree that the other lighting - apparently for Health and Safety is now getting crazy - I can remember the lights used to be turned off after about 5 mins into each half and then turned back on 5 mins before the end - surely this is sufficient for H&S, as fans shouldn’t have the need to leave during the game - and if they do, like the cinema, they find their way .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Robbored said: We didn't arrange a precise time CR. if we had, say 2.45pm then I'd have been there. They put out a tannoy announcement for you.... What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 On 13/10/2017 at 10:49, View from the Dolman said: It'll be interesting to see if the SAG has entered a new era of more openness with this Freedom of Information request: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ashton_gate_safety_advisory_grou_2#incoming-1040671 Hmm. They're delaying the response due to the volume of information... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topper 123 Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 DIM THE LIGHTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoons Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 On 14 October 2017 at 11:51, Robbored said: I was late Dave. Got chatting in the SC and forgot the time. Arrived at my seat just as game kicked off. At least he experienced how poor the sound quality is - although it was marginally better yesterday than it has been. I find it immensely irritating that MKelly is only now acting on what has been a long standing issue ever since the rebuild was completed around 18/12 ago. He's been quite aware of the poor sound quality the whole time but done nothing as yet to rectify it. Had I been there earlier I would have told him directly my views on the matter. Hopefully come the Leeds match on Saturday we'll have a tannoy that's finally fit for purpose but I won't be holding my breath...... Was it the same meeting place you were going to meet Gary Johnson ? Running late my arse you bottled it !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 On 14/10/2017 at 11:51, Robbored said: I was late Dave. Got chatting in the SC and forgot the time. Arrived at my seat just as game kicked off. At least he experienced how poor the sound quality is - although it was marginally better yesterday than it has been. I find it immensely irritating that MKelly is only now acting on what has been a long standing issue ever since the rebuild was completed around 18/12 ago. He's been quite aware of the poor sound quality the whole time but done nothing as yet to rectify it. Had I been there earlier I would have told him directly my views on the matter. Hopefully come the Leeds match on Saturday we'll have a tannoy that's finally fit for purpose but I won't be holding my breath...... So you have kicked up a fuss for months Mark then said he would meet you before kick off and you forgot to show up?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonPark Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, Super said: So you have kicked up a fuss for months Mark then said he would meet you before kick off and you forgot to show up?! Keyboard Warrior springs to mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, Super said: So you have kicked up a fuss for months Mark then said he would meet you before kick off and you forgot to show up?! What a surprise between Robbored and a City member of staff...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, Super said: So you have kicked up a fuss for months Mark then said he would meet you before kick off and you forgot to show up?! Probably got all his figures ass about tit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 10 minutes ago, Spoons said: Was it the same meeting place you were going to meet Gary Johnson ? Running late my arse you bottled it !! You know nothing Spoons. You're resorting to tired old jibes..........try coming up with something original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tully Bascomb Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Robbored, some times I feel sorry for you with the amount of stick you get on this forum but lets face it, most of the time you ask for it. Worlds greatest fisherman and also forums biggest **** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 hour ago, BoneyardTIM said: Robbored, some times I feel sorry for you with the amount of stick you get on this forum but lets face it, most of the time you ask for it. Worlds greatest fisherman and also forums biggest **** It's all water off a ducks back Boney. Im fortunate to have the hide of a rhino but unfortunately some posters don't understand that and still try to insult me........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 5 hours ago, View from the Dolman said: Hmm. They're delaying the response due to the volume of information... That FOI/Meeting is purely to do with the moving of the Cardiff Game. A previous attempt at a FOI for minutes of the SAG was met with a **** off. Don't hold out much hope this time around.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 12 minutes ago, Tomarse said: That FOI/Meeting is purely to do with the moving of the Cardiff Game. A previous attempt at a FOI for minutes of the SAG was met with a **** off. Don't hold out much hope this time around.. Agreed. They seem to have a determination to avoid any scrutiny whatsoever. I'll watch that one with interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Lewis Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Robbored can you please cease with all the 18/12 crAp, only an idiot would keep spouting that shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted October 25, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Still a pain last night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 On 13/10/2017 at 10:49, View from the Dolman said: It'll be interesting to see if the SAG has entered a new era of more openness with this Freedom of Information request: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ashton_gate_safety_advisory_grou_2#incoming-1040671 Oh. They've refused @Tomarse's request ... what a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 On 13/10/2017 at 10:49, View from the Dolman said: It'll be interesting to see if the SAG has entered a new era of more openness with this Freedom of Information request: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ashton_gate_safety_advisory_grou_2#incoming-1040671 The answer would appear to be no, regrettably! Quote "No Reply @ Bristol" <noreply@bristol.gov.uk>, Bristol City Council 7 November 2017 Thank you for your recent communication with the council. Our response to your communication is below:- Dear Mr Ford Thank you for your request dated 20/09/2017. We have decided that the exceptions outlined at regulations 12(5)(a) (public safety), 12(5)(d) (confidentiality of proceedings) and 12(5)(e) (confidentiality of commercial information) of the Environmental Information Regulations 2004 (EIR) are all engaged and have dealt with the reasoning below: Public safety We believe this exception to be engaged by minutes in their entirety. The exception states that ‘a public authority may refuse to disclose information to the extent that its disclosure would adversely affect…public safety.’ The Safety Advisory Group meetings are for the discussion of the details of policing, security and safety measures currently in place, the perceived effectiveness of those measures and the discussion of any remedial steps that may be necessary. There can therefore be little doubt that this exception is engaged. Whilst there is a public interest in transparency in the workings of a public authority, it must be taken into account that Bristol City FC are not a public authority and therefore subject to EIR. Whilst SAG meetings are chaired by the Council and it is appropriate that a request such as this is dealt with in accordance with the appropriate access regime, the Council, in conjunction with other bodies with responsibilities for safety, is providing oversight and input on the football club’s safety arrangements in a non-public forum. We are of the view that the public interest is better served by the Council being able to chair this meeting within an environment that enables frank discussion of the arrangements in place. To disclose the requested minutes would potentially inhibit the communication between the bodies sitting on the SAG. Furthermore, the information contained in the minutes would be of assistance to an individual wishing to cause disruption on match day. Confidentiality of proceedings We believe this exception to be engaged by minutes in their entirety. The exception states that ‘a public authority may refuse to disclose information to the extent that its disclosure would adversely affect the confidentiality of the proceedings of that or any other public authority where such confidentiality is provided by law.’ We are of the view that SAG meetings constitute proceedings for the purposes of this exception and, for the reasons outlined in the section above considering the public interest test, that the public interest is in withholding this information. Confidentiality of commercial information We believe this exception to be engaged by the information in the minutes that relates to Bristol City FC’s commercial arrangements and plans for future business growth. The exception states that ‘a public authority may refuse to disclose information to the extent that its disclosure would adversely affect the confidentiality of commercial or industrial information where such confidentiality is provided by law to protect a legitimate economic interest.’ We are of the view that there is minimal public interest in the disclosure of this information on the basis that the football club is not subject to the transparency requirements of a public authority. There is a public interest in withholding this information as, if disclosed, the football club could not reasonably expected to disclose this information at SAG meetings in future and this would inhibit the value of the meetings and therefore potentially be detrimental to the safety of those attending the ground. If you require clarification on any point, please contact us using the details shown at the top of this letter. Yours sincerely Customer Relations Team Don't want to steal Tom Ford's thunder (assuming it's our very own)? but... I've bolded a couple of bits which maybe interesting, beyond the usual safety excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: The answer would appear to be no, regrettably! Don't want to steal Tom Ford's thunder (assuming it's our very own)? but... I've bolded a couple of bits which maybe interesting, beyond the usual safety excuse. Seems like typical waffle to me. There’s nothing stopping them putting attendees, how to contact SAG directly and the non-secret elements of the meeting in the public domain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Seems like typical waffle to me. There’s nothing stopping them putting attendees, how to contact SAG directly and the non-secret elements of the meeting in the public domain. Agreed yeah.Just seems like another layer to hide behind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonPark Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 Can someone submit a request for every single game? Surely they will get bored of replying in the end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 3 minutes ago, AshtonPark said: Can someone submit a request for every single game? Surely they will get bored of replying in the end? Unlikely. A previous request from Geoff Needham roughly a year before was basically replied to in much the same way. Near enough word for word, templated aside from a few details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 10 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Agreed yeah.Just seems like another layer to hide behind... Mark wouldn’t share their email address either. The whole setup is very suspicious. In addition to the lack of public minutes. Their policies impact supporters a great deal and there’s no representatives from the supporters at the meetings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 From the Sports Ground Safety Authority... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 Looks like it's down to the discretion of the individual SAG then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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