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3 hours ago, Fjmcity said:

@Mkelly

Simple question, do you think it is acceptable to have that light shining at you throughout a game of football? 

As I said in my original post, the theatre, nightclubs, music events, all seem to get away with near pitch black during performances. 

 

Spot on this.

We have the same problem in the South Stand with all the lights at the top of the stand blazing into our eyes the entire game.

I am considering putting in a claim for eye strain and migraines it's ridiculous!

Sort it out City it's a joke.

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Back on the light topic - having previously raised this issue after the Plymouth and Stoke games particularly - credit where credit is due - the advertising brightness last night, from the Lansdown Stand Lower, was the best it’s been -so thanks for responding and eventually getting this sorted. Please don’t revert to any brighter for afternoon games either - thanks. 

I would have to agree that the other lighting - apparently for Health and Safety is now getting crazy - I can remember the lights used to be turned off after about 5 mins into each half and then turned back on 5 mins before the end - surely this is sufficient for H&S, as fans shouldn’t have the need to leave during the game - and if they do, like the cinema, they find their way ....

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On 13/10/2017 at 10:49, View from the Dolman said:

It'll be interesting to see if the SAG has entered a new era of more openness with this Freedom of Information request: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ashton_gate_safety_advisory_grou_2#incoming-1040671

Hmm. They're delaying the response due to the volume of information...

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On 14 October 2017 at 11:51, Robbored said:

I was late Dave. Got chatting in the SC and forgot the time. Arrived at my seat just as game kicked off.

At least he experienced how poor the sound quality is - although it was marginally better yesterday than it has been.

I find it immensely irritating that MKelly is only now acting on what has been a long standing issue ever since the rebuild was completed around 18/12 ago. He's been quite aware of the poor sound quality the whole time but done nothing as yet to rectify it. Had I been there earlier I would have told him directly my views on the matter.

Hopefully come the Leeds match on Saturday we'll have a tannoy that's finally  fit for purpose but I won't be holding my breath......

Was it the same meeting place you were going to meet Gary Johnson ?

Running late my arse you bottled it !!

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On ‎14‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 11:51, Robbored said:

I was late Dave. Got chatting in the SC and forgot the time. Arrived at my seat just as game kicked off.

At least he experienced how poor the sound quality is - although it was marginally better yesterday than it has been.

I find it immensely irritating that MKelly is only now acting on what has been a long standing issue ever since the rebuild was completed around 18/12 ago. He's been quite aware of the poor sound quality the whole time but done nothing as yet to rectify it. Had I been there earlier I would have told him directly my views on the matter.

Hopefully come the Leeds match on Saturday we'll have a tannoy that's finally  fit for purpose but I won't be holding my breath......

So you have kicked up a fuss for months Mark then said he would meet you before kick off and you forgot to show up?!

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1 hour ago, BoneyardTIM said:

Robbored, some times I feel sorry for you with the amount of stick you get on this forum but lets face it, most of the time you ask for it. Worlds greatest fisherman and also forums biggest ****:nono:

It's all water off a ducks back Boney. 

Im fortunate to have the hide of a rhino but unfortunately some posters don't understand that and still  try to insult me........:facepalm:

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5 hours ago, View from the Dolman said:

Hmm. They're delaying the response due to the volume of information...

That FOI/Meeting is purely to do with the moving of the Cardiff Game.  A previous attempt at a FOI for minutes of the SAG was met with a **** off.   Don't hold out much hope this time around..

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12 minutes ago, Tomarse said:

That FOI/Meeting is purely to do with the moving of the Cardiff Game.  A previous attempt at a FOI for minutes of the SAG was met with a **** off.   Don't hold out much hope this time around..

Agreed. They seem to have a determination to avoid any scrutiny whatsoever. I'll watch that one with interest.

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On 13/10/2017 at 10:49, View from the Dolman said:

It'll be interesting to see if the SAG has entered a new era of more openness with this Freedom of Information request: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ashton_gate_safety_advisory_grou_2#incoming-1040671

Oh. They've refused @Tomarse's request ... what a surprise.

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On 13/10/2017 at 10:49, View from the Dolman said:

It'll be interesting to see if the SAG has entered a new era of more openness with this Freedom of Information request: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/ashton_gate_safety_advisory_grou_2#incoming-1040671

The answer would appear to be no, regrettably!

 
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"No Reply @ Bristol" <noreply@bristol.gov.uk>, Bristol City Council 7 November 2017

 

Thank you for your recent communication with the council. Our 
response to your communication is below:-

Dear Mr Ford 
  
Thank you for your request dated 20/09/2017. 
  
We have decided that the exceptions outlined at regulations 12(5)(a) 
(public safety), 12(5)(d) (confidentiality of proceedings) and 
12(5)(e) (confidentiality of commercial information) of the 
Environmental Information Regulations 2004 (EIR) are all engaged and 
have dealt with the reasoning below: 
  
Public safety 
  
We believe this exception to be engaged by minutes in their entirety. 
The exception states that ‘a public authority may refuse to disclose 
information to the extent that its disclosure would adversely 
affect…public safety.’ The Safety Advisory Group meetings are for the 
discussion of the details of policing, security and safety measures 
currently in place, the perceived effectiveness of those measures and 
the discussion of any remedial steps that may be necessary. There can 
therefore be little doubt that this exception is engaged. 
  
Whilst there is a public interest in transparency in the workings of 
a public authority, it must be taken into account that Bristol City 
FC are not a public authority and therefore subject to EIR
. Whilst 
SAG meetings are chaired by the Council and it is appropriate that a 
request such as this is dealt with in accordance with the appropriate 
access regime, the Council, in conjunction with other bodies with 
responsibilities for safety, is providing oversight and input on the 
football club’s safety arrangements in a non-public forum. We are of 
the view that the public interest is better served by the Council 
being able to chair this meeting within an environment that enables 
frank discussion of the arrangements in place. To disclose the 
requested minutes would potentially inhibit the communication between 
the bodies sitting on the SAG. Furthermore, the information contained 
in the minutes would be of assistance to an individual wishing to 
cause disruption on match day. 
  
Confidentiality of proceedings 
  
We believe this exception to be engaged by minutes in their entirety. 
The exception states that ‘a public authority may refuse to disclose 
information to the extent that its disclosure would adversely affect 
the confidentiality of the proceedings of that or any other public 
authority where such confidentiality is provided by law.’ 
  
We are of the view that SAG meetings constitute proceedings for the 
purposes of this exception and, for the reasons outlined in the 
section above considering the public interest test, that the public 
interest is in withholding this information. 
  
Confidentiality of commercial information 
  
We believe this exception to be engaged by the information in the 
minutes that relates to Bristol City FC’s commercial arrangements and 
plans for future business growth. The exception states that ‘a public 
authority may refuse to disclose information to the extent that its 
disclosure would adversely affect the confidentiality of commercial 
or industrial information where such confidentiality is provided by 
law to protect a legitimate economic interest.’ 

  
We are of the view that there is minimal public interest in the 
disclosure of this information on the basis that the football club is 
not subject to the transparency requirements of a public authority. 
There is a public interest in withholding this information as, if 
disclosed, the football club could not reasonably expected to 
disclose this information at SAG meetings in future and this would 
inhibit the value of the meetings and therefore potentially be 
detrimental to the safety of those attending the ground. 
 

If you require clarification on any point, please contact us using 
the details shown at the top of this letter.

Yours sincerely

Customer Relations Team


 

Don't want to steal Tom Ford's thunder (assuming it's our very own)? but...

I've bolded a couple of bits which maybe interesting, beyond the usual safety excuse.

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1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

The answer would appear to be no, regrettably!

 

Don't want to steal Tom Ford's thunder (assuming it's our very own)? but...

I've bolded a couple of bits which maybe interesting, beyond the usual safety excuse.

Seems like typical waffle to me. There’s nothing stopping them putting attendees, how to contact SAG directly and the non-secret elements of the meeting in the public domain.

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10 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Agreed yeah.Just seems like another layer to hide behind...

Mark wouldn’t share their email address either.

The whole setup is very suspicious. In addition to the lack of public minutes. Their policies impact supporters a great deal and there’s no representatives from the supporters at the meetings. 

 

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