Hartleysbeard Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 Our performances and results against these sides show a lack of ability in breaking down stubborn, compact defences. It’s something that better teams are much more adept at doing, and will be the difference come the end of the season. We have to work out a way to move the ball better and draw out defenders to create space in these games. Ok, we beat Bolton but what an ugly game of football and we huffed and puffed through that one and got a bit of luck, especially with the sending off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 Đurić. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SStandUp Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 8 minutes ago, Hartleysbeard said: Our performances and results against these sides show a lack of ability in breaking down stubborn, compact defences. It’s something that better teams are much more adept at doing, and will be the difference come the end of the season. We have to work out a way to move the ball better and draw out defenders to create space in these games. Ok, we beat Bolton but what an ugly game of football and we huffed and puffed through that one and got a bit of luck, especially with the sending off. I agree. We're not good enough at breaking down teams who sit in. But don't forget how far we have come, we're not the finished article, and I'll be surprised if we are still sitting in playoffs come the end of the season. But if there was ever a sign of how far we have come, it's teams coming to AG and refusing to play and going home delighted with a point. As much as it is frustrating to watch, take it as a compliment. I don't think we are ready for a play off/ promotion push? We're a good team, no doubt, but still have a bit of building to do. I just hope fans don't forget last season, to where we appear to be now. It's a massive difference. We're 12 unbeaten and 3rd in the table, but after last night, people were moaning like ****. Last time out at Ipswich, Diedhiou was class, but after last night "he's shit". Just calm down and see the bigger picture. Yes last night was frustrating, but we are 12 unbeaten, we are 3rd in the table. And after last season, I'm delighted at where we are. Onto Leeds, Up the City x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanjita Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 Absolutely spot on ForeverRes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AppyDAZE Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 Burton, Millwall and.... Bolton? Yeah why not chuck in a team we beat without a great deal of trouble to boost your argument. My God we have come a long way, from "I can't see where the next goal nevermind win is coming from to... Why can't we beat EVERYONE?" AppyDAZE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyder66 Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 When we are in this position against a solid defence, that shuts down chances to get players or the ball into the box, I don't understand why we don't just take more shots from outside the box. With Fam and Bobby hanging around in the box we are more likely to either pick up a deflection or a rebounded ball. I saw very few decent shots from outside the box yesterday, which was disappointing. What other tactics are there for breaking down this kind of defence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 I wonder whether we need to think about making the pitch wider when we coming up against teams like this. Narrowing the pitch suits our pressing game, but where teams just sit back and get 10 men behind the ball the pressing game is negated. A wider pitch gives more room for players like O'Dowda and Leko,, who can go past defenders, and could make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meh Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 I think the last 20 last night was crying out for 3-4-3 with Flint being moved up - taking off Diedhiou for Woodrow. Ugly tactic but with Reid, Woodrow, Patterson and what would have been Brownhill all buzzing around any knock down we may have nicked it. As said tailor made for Đurić but Flint a decent option in his absence. edit - mint that the forum puts the thingy majiggy above the c on Đurić !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, downendcity said: I wonder whether we need to think about making the pitch wider when we coming up against teams like this. Narrowing the pitch suits our pressing game, but where teams just sit back and get 10 men behind the ball the pressing game is negated. A wider pitch gives more room for players like O'Dowda and Leko,, who can go past defenders, and could make a difference. You can't change the pitch size for specific games once you've submitted your pitch details to the EFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 11 minutes ago, spyder66 said: When we are in this position against a solid defence, that shuts down chances to get players or the ball into the box, I don't understand why we don't just take more shots from outside the box. With Fam and Bobby hanging around in the box we are more likely to either pick up a deflection or a rebounded ball. I saw very few decent shots from outside the box yesterday, which was disappointing. What other tactics are there for breaking down this kind of defence? It's not so much tactics, it's that extra little bit of quality teams like Wolves have when they chuck £18m at a player!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickle Rick Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 We’re third and take a look at Burton’s last three away games. Thanks tho Hindsight is ‘meh’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyInWeston Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Captain Hindsight said: take a look at Burton’s last three away games It is hard to play vs 10 defenders and a goalkeeper. Has Clough adopted this tactic for all away games now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 Wasnt a plan B last night when plan A failed. Disappointing performance but not the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 56 minutes ago, nickolas said: Đurić. And Taylor.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangle Foot Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 It certainly highlights the main area we need to strengthen - central midfield (specifically creatively) - in the January transfer window. How's John Bostock doing at Lens this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Super said: Wasnt a plan B last night when plan A failed. Disappointing performance but not the end of the world. LJ said post match that Đurić would have been ideal and that he considered putting Flint up top but was worried about Burton doing a "smash and grab". All but two City outfield players weren't at their best last night. A combination of Burtons frustrating tactics and a inept referee didn't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, Robert the bruce said: And Taylor.. Taylor was injured............that's why he wasn't in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Robbored said: LJ said post match that Đurić would have been ideal and that he considered putting Flint up top but was worried about Burton doing a "smash and grab". All but two City outfield players weren't at their best last night. A combination of Burtons frustrating tactics and a inept referee didn't help. He should have stuck Flint up front, Wright CB and Brownhill RB then in my opinion. We werent going to pass through them so the situation was ideal for a smash it up to the big un and get Reid/Paterson/Woodrow etc around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 21 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said: You can't change the pitch size for specific games once you've submitted your pitch details to the EFL. Need another plan B then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack Bladder Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 25 minutes ago, CrazyInWeston said: It is hard to play vs 10 defenders and a goalkeeper. Has Clough adopted this tactic for all away games now? ...............and the ref Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyInWeston Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, Slack Bladder said: ...............and the ref Only reacted to your post with a snake because thats who the ref was for our game yesterday, a conniving slithery snake! Clearly on Burtons side, did Nigel bribe the snake with a yrs supply of tortoise eggs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 1 hour ago, ForeverRes said: I agree. We're not good enough at breaking down teams who sit in. But don't forget how far we have come, we're not the finished article, and I'll be surprised if we are still sitting in playoffs come the end of the season. But if there was ever a sign of how far we have come, it's teams coming to AG and refusing to play and going home delighted with a point. As much as it is frustrating to watch, take it as a compliment. I don't think we are ready for a play off/ promotion push? We're a good team, no doubt, but still have a bit of building to do. I just hope fans don't forget last season, to where we appear to be now. It's a massive difference. We're 12 unbeaten and 3rd in the table, but after last night, people were moaning like ****. Last time out at Ipswich, Diedhiou was class, but after last night "he's shit". Just calm down and see the bigger picture. Yes last night was frustrating, but we are 12 unbeaten, we are 3rd in the table. And after last season, I'm delighted at where we are. Onto Leeds, Up the City x Spot on. Not perfect but a a young team who've taken serious strides forward in less than 12 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin_unreliant Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 When Pack replaced Smith I thought the injury might turn out to help us. MP often has a decent pass in him and I hoped that might help unlock their defence. Unfortunately he was woeful - most of his attempted long passes just gave the ball away. We really are missing a top class CM option for these sort of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Neo said: I think the last 20 last night was crying out for 3-4-3 with Flint being moved up - taking off Diedhiou for Woodrow. Ugly tactic but with Reid, Woodrow, Patterson and what would have been Brownhill all buzzing around any knock down we may have nicked it. As said tailor made for Đurić but Flint a decent option in his absence. edit - mint that the forum puts the thingy majiggy above the c on Đurić !! Good point, but I think a change could have been made much earlier. When Smith went off just before half time Pack, as replacement, meant City stuck with the same formation. It was obvious by then how Burton was going to play, so LJ could have waited till half time and switched to an attacking 3-5-2 formation. LJ as a manager is getting better but he still doesn’t seem to have the ability to make big changes when plan A isn’t working. Other managers can do this with ease. Much as I hate to say it, one reason Rovers are doing well is because Darrell Clarke is very flexible with the team formation and tactics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDLEE Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 And although we've struggled in these games, we've taken 5 points annoy conceded. We'd have been lucky to get 2 points from them last season so it shows the steady progress we are making. On to Leeds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldlandReddies Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 Everyone would have taken 4 points from our last two games . Have a feeling last nights point will look good at 5pm today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
man in the middle Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 Shows how far we’ve come from the last two seasons, looking far superior to all three of those sides. We would have looked just as bad the last two years. Happy days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaspberryRed Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 2 hours ago, ForeverRes said: I agree. We're not good enough at breaking down teams who sit in. But don't forget how far we have come, we're not the finished article, and I'll be surprised if we are still sitting in playoffs come the end of the season. But if there was ever a sign of how far we have come, it's teams coming to AG and refusing to play and going home delighted with a point. As much as it is frustrating to watch, take it as a compliment. I don't think we are ready for a play off/ promotion push? We're a good team, no doubt, but still have a bit of building to do. I just hope fans don't forget last season, to where we appear to be now. It's a massive difference. We're 12 unbeaten and 3rd in the table, but after last night, people were moaning like ****. Last time out at Ipswich, Diedhiou was class, but after last night "he's shit". Just calm down and see the bigger picture. Yes last night was frustrating, but we are 12 unbeaten, we are 3rd in the table. And after last season, I'm delighted at where we are. Onto Leeds, Up the City x Burton celebrated like they'd beaten Man U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 3 hours ago, Hartleysbeard said: Our performances and results against these sides show a lack of ability in breaking down stubborn, compact defences. It’s something that better teams are much more adept at doing, and will be the difference come the end of the season. We have to work out a way to move the ball better and draw out defenders to create space in these games. Ok, we beat Bolton but what an ugly game of football and we huffed and puffed through that one and got a bit of luck, especially with the sending off. You can't always play sexy football. Huffing & puffing is all part of being a successful side especially in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted October 14, 2017 Report Share Posted October 14, 2017 Just now, RaspberryRed said: Burton celebrated like they'd beaten Man U They did their job. Fair play to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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