Stockwood nick Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 Hi all, i firstly want to say well done to the stewards in the singing section yesterday, did a great job in trying to stop people coming in!! After speaking with one of them, it doesnt look like the singing section will be able to go on that much longer unless people stop forcing into it!! i for one have a season ticket in there, take my 3 year old daughter most weeks, a few games have been unbearable this season, to the extent that my daughter actually got stood on by someone as there was no room to move at all!! So in a nutshell, if you are one of those that keeps trying to come into the singing section - DONT!! Do as the rest of us did, and get yourself a season ticket in there next season!! Be a shame to lose it due to idiots not going to their own seat!! Rant over!! Bring on sunderland away!! COYR!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 Exactly this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 If the demand is there maybe they could expand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 Why it cant extend around to the next block in the south stand is beyond me, as Bristol Rob has said the demand is there clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stockwood nick Posted October 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 Hopefully could be a possibility for next season, but we gotta get to the end of this one with it intact before those conversations can start id guess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, bris red said: Why it cant extend around to the next block in the south stand is beyond me, as Bristol Rob has said the demand is there clearly. Would be a good reason to make those lower blocks in the dolman safe standing (as in the plans) and have it extend round there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 The problem is on bigger games like Leeds when more heads are out people want a stand and a sing song, the old East End could cope with the demand as people could roam about the WHOLE stand hassle free. Ive always said if not the whole but a good half of the south stand needs to be un reserved that little corner isnt going to be enough when the demand is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 It will evolve over time due to supply and demand. The major problem at present as I see it, is that the entry to each section of the stadium from the concourse is uncontrolled. Thus it takes only a few to decide that they'll go to another section than the ticket was bought for, to create problems like those described by OP. A crowd of 20,000 will have enough empty spaces to absorb a few migrants whereas 24,000 will not. I don't know the reason but approximately a dozen seats in S22 in rows 23 & 24 were empty yesterday. Absent from game for reasons unknown or moved elsewhere ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stockwood nick Posted October 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 14 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: It will evolve over time due to supply and demand. The major problem at present as I see it, is that the entry to each section of the stadium from the concourse is uncontrolled. Thus it takes only a few to decide that they'll go to another section than the ticket was bought for, to create problems like those described by OP. A crowd of 20,000 will have enough empty spaces to absorb a few migrants whereas 24,000 will not. I don't know the reason but approximately a dozen seats in S22 in rows 23 & 24 were empty yesterday. Absent from game for reasons unknown or moved elsewhere ? Yeh this is exactly the issue, to be fair to the stewards yesterday they did a great job, was quite funny sitting and watching them catching people walking along the isles and turning them away to be fair. I just think that if people want this section to grow, then behave this season and guarentee yourself a place there with a season ticket next season!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chalky Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 The demand is clearly there so they need to expand it. It seemed a lot less busy in there compared to other games where they have not been checking tickets. In safe standing areas they allow 1.5 person per seat so in theory that corner should be able to accommodate and extra 50%. I have stood in safe standing areas and it seems like there is more room in the south stand on each row that in safe standing so I'm surprised this is such a big problem for the OP. I think they space is there you just have to be flexible and move around a bit. Some rows will be quite packed and other rows will have quite a bit of space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombsy Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 I would like to say a big thank you to the steward who stopped my 12 year old going to his seat in the landsdown stand I was all ready in my seat he went to get some food and was not let back to his seat as I had his season ticket lucky he had his phone with him maybe the stewards need some common sense training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 It’s easy to say expand the standing section, but this ignores the problems of mixing standing and seating. The current position allows those who wish to stand to do so without blocking the view of those siting in the next blocks. If the standing section expanded across the South Stand those sitting would not be able to see what was happening when play was in the Dolman / South Stand corner. This may not please those who wish to stand but it’s true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 22 minutes ago, pongo88 said: It’s easy to say expand the standing section, but this ignores the problems of mixing standing and seating. The current position allows those who wish to stand to do so without blocking the view of those siting in the next blocks. If the standing section expanded across the South Stand those sitting would not be able to see what was happening when play was in the Dolman / South Stand corner. This may not please those who wish to stand but it’s true. Then maybe, if the standing section is indeed to be expanded, they should expand it by allocating the top 25% of each block or something similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 Just now, Coombsy said: I would like to say a big thank you to the steward who stopped my 12 year old going to his seat in the landsdown stand I was all ready in my seat he went to get some food and was not let back to his seat as I had his season ticket lucky he had his phone with him maybe the stewards need some common sense training Whilst I think it's reasonable to challenge anyone to produce a ticket, the common sense approach would have been to escort him to his seat to check. I wonder what they were going to suggest if he couldn't have phoned you himself. Maybe you'll just have to trust him to look after his own ticket in future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 If we continue to build the normal gates well above 20,000 then an expanded area of standing will be commonsense. As above, the rear rows of all the blocks in South Stand could be designated but that of course will need some to be moved elsewhere. And that will not be a smooth operation. If attendances stay around 18,000 to 20,000 probably no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: If we continue to build the normal gates well above 20,000 then an expanded area of standing will be commonsense. As above, the rear rows of all the blocks in South Stand could be designated but that of course will need some to be moved elsewhere. And that will not be a smooth operation. If attendances stay around 18,000 to 20,000 probably no problem. I`ve not been in the `S82` area but would it not be better to expand it into the first block of the Dolman rather than further into the SS for now? Would it not concentrate the noise better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Somerset Red Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 48 minutes ago, pongo88 said: It’s easy to say expand the standing section, but this ignores the problems of mixing standing and seating. The current position allows those who wish to stand to do so without blocking the view of those siting in the next blocks. If the standing section expanded across the South Stand those sitting would not be able to see what was happening when play was in the Dolman / South Stand corner. This may not please those who wish to stand but it’s true. Probably be best to use the opposite corner as another unreserved area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 7 hours ago, Stockwood nick said: Yeh this is exactly the issue, to be fair to the stewards yesterday they did a great job, was quite funny sitting and watching them catching people walking along the isles and turning them away to be fair. I just think that if people want this section to grow, then behave this season and guarentee yourself a place there with a season ticket next season!! You can't guarantee a seat next season. They'll already garanteed for the people currently in there. It's a closed shop. Common sense says make it bigger but I won't hold my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 1 hour ago, richwwtk said: Then maybe, if the standing section is indeed to be expanded, they should expand it by allocating the top 25% of each block or something similar. 1 hour ago, cidered abroad said: If we continue to build the normal gates well above 20,000 then an expanded area of standing will be commonsense. As above, the rear rows of all the blocks in South Stand could be designated but that of course will need some to be moved elsewhere. And that will not be a smooth operation. If attendances stay around 18,000 to 20,000 probably no problem. 1 hour ago, Red Right Hand said: I`ve not been in the `S82` area but would it not be better to expand it into the first block of the Dolman rather than further into the SS for now? Would it not concentrate the noise better? 57 minutes ago, South Somerset Red said: Probably be best to use the opposite corner as another unreserved area These are all reasonable suggestions apart from one fact - there are already people sitting in these areas, who are quite happy where they are, and don’t want to move. Although there are people who want to stand there are even more who want to sit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 1 minute ago, pongo88 said: These are all reasonable suggestions apart from one fact - there are already people sitting in these areas, who are quite happy where they are, and don’t want to move. Although there are people who want to stand there are even more who want to sit. Nail on head IMO. I`m at the back of S21 and love hearing the noise from over in the corner and the atmosphere it creates but would fight tooth and nail if it was proposed my area became part of it! You can`t please all of the people all of the time I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 7 hours ago, Stockwood nick said: Yeh this is exactly the issue, to be fair to the stewards yesterday they did a great job, was quite funny sitting and watching them catching people walking along the isles and turning them away to be fair. I just think that if people want this section to grow, then behave this season and guarentee yourself a place there with a season ticket next season!! 17 minutes ago, BCFC Grim said: You can't guarantee a seat next season. They'll already garanteed for the people currently in there. It's a closed shop. Common sense says make it bigger but I won't hold my breath. This is my point, chances are 85% if not more already in that corner will renew meaning its very difficult for new faces to get involved as seats will already be snapped up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 16 minutes ago, pongo88 said: These are all reasonable suggestions apart from one fact - there are already people sitting in these areas, who are quite happy where they are, and don’t want to move. Although there are people who want to stand there are even more who want to sit. I think in some instances you have to be a bit utilitarian about these things. There are cases when people will have to move for the greater good. I think they should expand it into the lower Dolman - it is intended to be safe standing there anyway eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 23 minutes ago, pongo88 said: These are all reasonable suggestions apart from one fact - there are already people sitting in these areas, who are quite happy where they are, and don’t want to move. Although there are people who want to stand there are even more who want to sit. That will be the case wherever you expand into, and was indeed the case for a lot of people (including myself) last season when the area was moved from the Atyeo. It's a minor inconvenience I guess, but having to move around the South Stand wouldn't be much of a grind. It's not really been there long enough yet for anyone to get TOO attached to their seat. I don't think anyone can refute the fact that the atmosphere in the ground has been improved for their presence, and expansion can only help to spread that further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 1 minute ago, richwwtk said: That will be the case wherever you expand into, and was indeed the case for a lot of people (including myself) last season when the area was moved from the Atyeo. It's a minor inconvenience I guess, but having to move around the South Stand wouldn't be much of a grind. It's not really been there long enough yet for anyone to get TOO attached to their seat. I don't think anyone can refute the fact that the atmosphere in the ground has been improved for their presence, and expansion can only help to spread that further. Absolutely it has and it does need to grow. Regarding the `not too attached` bit though it would need to be carefully done so groups don`t have to split up - there`s six of us for instance and we wouldn`t be happy if we had to sit all over the place. Every problem has a solution though so if we all want the same thing it should be able to be worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohbasso Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 It's definitely something the club need to look at. That area sold out very quickly and currently has no space to grow. I don't know if they'll be able to do anything before the end of the season but for next season hopefully they'll be able to make it bigger or create another unreserved area. There's clearly more people that want to stand in an unreserved area than what's been allowed for, ideally it would be a big enough area to have potd tickets on sale in there too. There's plenty of empty seats in the stadium so it's definitely doable it just needs one more season of upheaval for everyone to hopefully get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Why is it season ticket only? Are all 'singing sections' behind goals across the country season ticket only? Supposing they expanded it with existing season ticket holders then say into S24 POTD...could be useful for a steady expansion and remove the element of closed shop, perhaps upper S24 as part of singing section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Why is it season ticket only? Are all 'singing sections' behind goals across the country season ticket only? Supposing they expanded it with existing season ticket holders then say into S24 POTD...could be useful for a steady expansion and remove the element of closed shop, perhaps upper S24 as part of singing section. Guess a lot of the 'season ticket only thing is because of the unreserved nature of it. Should there be any social problems they'll have half a chance of identifying who was involved, rather than in an allocated seat where they can likely trace someone from where they have had to sit. Guess work on my part that however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke_Gifford_Red Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Why is it season ticket only? Are all 'singing sections' behind goals across the country season ticket only? Supposing they expanded it with existing season ticket holders then say into S24 POTD...could be useful for a steady expansion and remove the element of closed shop, perhaps upper S24 as part of singing section. All available spaces sold out in this area (extremely quickly) as season tickets. Think it could be beneficial to expand it as the demand is clearly there. The question is how much additional space should be set aside and the logistics of it - as others have said expanding into S24 will restrict views of those sitting in adjacent "seated" blocks. Of course, that assumes the club /Bristol sport are even interested in expanding this section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City fan 1982 Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 When we moved to the south stand , yet another move , we went in having to each pay another 50 quid each per season and plenty of Communication from city saying if it proves popular there will be scope to expand the signing area. I don't know if someone can find a letter or email from the club proving this ? One for the trust etc to raise at next meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonPark Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 I dont think it is at all possible for much expansion, due to sight lines when people are stood up. So people in other blocks, their view will be impeded by the other block standing. I think its safe to say, what we have got now, is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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