spudski Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 ....we play so much better when we don't play 'out and out wingers'. So much more solid in midfield last night. Still had width and an outlet to stretch the opposition...but no gaping holes. On a side note...what solid performances from Pisano, Đurić and Magners. You would have thought from their performances that they'd been starting every week. What a beast of a player Sako is too....wouldn't mind him in our midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, spudski said: ....we play so much better when we don't play 'out and out wingers'. So much more solid in midfield last night. Still had width and an outlet to stretch the opposition...but no gaping holes. On a side note...what solid performances from Pisano, Đurić and Magners. You would have thought from their performances that they'd been starting every week. What a beast of a player Sako is too....wouldn't mind him in our midfield. Agree about Sako - amazed he doesn't get more game time at Palace. I thought that Milan was superb, but Pisano took a long time to find his feet again and Magnússon wasn't without his dodgy moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 1 minute ago, spudski said: ....we play so much better when we don't play 'out and out wingers'. So much more solid in midfield last night. Still had width and an outlet to stretch the opposition...but no gaping holes. On a side note...what solid performances from Pisano, Đurić and Magners. You would have thought from their performances that they'd been starting every week. What a beast of a player Sako is too....wouldn't mind him in our midfield. I have never bought into the playing with wingers thing anyway, I thought it was interesting on Saturday that Brownhill was our most effective wide player, after we reshuffled. It just shows that a quality midfielder can effect the game from anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted October 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 1 minute ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Agree about Sako - amazed he doesn't get more game time at Palace. I thought that Milan was superb, but Pisano took a long time to find his feet again and Magnússon wasn't without his dodgy moments. Both Pisano and Magners edged their way cautiously into the game...Pisano showed his class and what we have been missing in games imo. As for 'wingers'...they have their place in a game, but when I look at Eliasson and Leko, I can't see them being anything more than impact subs. Yes they'll have their moments in games...but they will certainly have to up their work ethic when defending and keeping shape. Our midfield was so, so much more solid last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 1 minute ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Agree about Sako - amazed he doesn't get more game time at Palace. I thought that Milan was superb, but Pisano took a long time to find his feet again and Magnússon wasn't without his dodgy moments. Talking to a Palace fan ( from the bowls club) who reckons that Sako can be fantastic but seriously lacks stamina. He rarely plays a full match. She reckons he goes awol after an hour. That's probably why he not a regular in the Palace first 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, Robbored said: Talking to a Palace fan ( from the bowls club) who reckons that Sako can be fantastic but seriously lacks stamina. He rarely plays a full match. She reckons he goes awol after an hour. That's probably why he not a regular in the Palace first 11. Elderly bowls lady in accusation of young man's lack of stamina shocker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastside Moonwalker Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 agreed, feel we try and force it a bit with Eliasson and Leko but at least we have the options to play them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Do you have 92 players in your bowls club RR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: Elderly bowls lady in accusation of young man's lack of stamina shocker. Why on earth do you suppose that she's elderly? At a guess I'd say she's in her early 40s. She has a daughter of 19 and a son of 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Just now, Midred said: Do you have 92 players in your bowls club RR? Around that number I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 17 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Agree about Sako - amazed he doesn't get more game time at Palace. I thought that Milan was superb, but Pisano took a long time to find his feet again and Magnússon wasn't without his dodgy moments. I like Magners but was very flat footed at times last night and should never have been wrong side for their goal..bit of ring rust Maybe.. Good runout for Eros & would start him Saturday if he trains well this week.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 12 minutes ago, spudski said: Both Pisano and Magners edged their way cautiously into the game...Pisano showed his class and what we have been missing in games imo. As for 'wingers'...they have their place in a game, but when I look at Eliasson and Leko, I can't see them being anything more than impact subs. Yes they'll have their moments in games...but they will certainly have to up their work ethic when defending and keeping shape. Our midfield was so, so much more solid last night. I thought until we scored we were being overrun in midfield or at least it looked that way to me and it was a bit of a talking point around us that we were struggling to get a hold of the ball and everything was mostly bypassing the middle. Once we equalised though it was completely different, their heads dropped and we bossed the midfield and all other areas completely. Thought last night really showed again how confidence has such a massive effect on a game. We looked a different team once we scored having not done so for a couple of games, and they obviously capitulated once we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 13 minutes ago, Robbored said: Why on earth do you suppose that she's elderly? At a guess I'd say she's in her early 40s. She has a daughter of 19 and a son of 17. Don't you mean she's in her early 472/308s? We want refs to be consistent the same should apply to posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 23 minutes ago, spudski said: Both Pisano and Magners edged their way cautiously into the game...Pisano showed his class and what we have been missing in games imo. As for 'wingers'...they have their place in a game, but when I look at Eliasson and Leko, I can't see them being anything more than impact subs. Yes they'll have their moments in games...but they will certainly have to up their work ethic when defending and keeping shape. Our midfield was so, so much more solid last night. I think there’s a place for wingers - especially with Đurić. I’d love to see how he’d get on with Eliasson whipping balls in. I feel we can afford one winger but lack the quality, experience and aggression in centre midfield to have two. O’Dowda is quietly improving all the time too, seems to have gone under the radar a bit. Enjoyed watching Sako too - looked a fantastic player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyredredrobin Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 I too thought maggers, eros and steele had poor starts but improved as the game went on. I guess it was a lack of game time and it took a while for their confidence to grow. To be honest, after the first 20 mins, I thought we were seeing a repeat of the Leeds game. What came next was unbelievable. Thought Milan was a game changer when he came on, winning balls in the air and creating space for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted October 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: I think there’s a place for wingers - especially with Đurić. I’d love to see how he’d get on with Eliasson whipping balls in. I feel we can afford one winger but lack the quality, experience and aggression in centre midfield to have two. O’Dowda is quietly improving all the time too, seems to have gone under the radar a bit. Enjoyed watching Sako too - looked a fantastic player. The jury is out for me on Eliasson and Leko...It's like playing with 10 men when they are playing. I've also yet to see them deserve a starting place. The odd move here and there...but nothing to warrant a start imo. I'd say I would hoped to be proved wrong...but I really don't want them starting. I'm not a fan of 'wingers'....perhaps 30 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, spudski said: The jury is out for me on Eliasson and Leko...It's like playing with 10 men when they are playing. I've also yet to see them deserve a starting place. The odd move here and there...but nothing to warrant a start imo. I'd say I would hoped to be proved wrong...but I really don't want them starting. I'm not a fan of 'wingers'....perhaps 30 years ago. I wouldn’t start both in our current formation - possibly in a 433 it would work. Both are too inconsistent and learning the game still. I think both are talented but neither will be consistent enough at the moment. I know he wasn’t great against Burton, but Eliasson had one or two nice touches and moments of skill that showed me he has something. Leko has had his moments too, especially against Derby where he was great, but think we’re stronger with O’Dowda and Paterson or Bryan there at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 24 minutes ago, Robbored said: Why on earth do you suppose that she's elderly? At a guess I'd say she's in her early 40s. She has a daughter of 19 and a son of 17. For someone who's made an OTIB career in winding folk up - you don't half gobble up the juicy worm when it's presented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Brownhill superb last night. What a player at 21 years. He's here, he's there.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 15 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: For someone who's made an OTIB career in winding folk up - you don't half gobble up the juicy worm when it's presented. Bowls club in under age player scandal ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 55 minutes ago, spudski said: Both Pisano and Magners edged their way cautiously into the game...Pisano showed his class and what we have been missing in games imo. As for 'wingers'...they have their place in a game, but when I look at Eliasson and Leko, I can't see them being anything more than impact subs. Yes they'll have their moments in games...but they will certainly have to up their work ethic when defending and keeping shape. Our midfield was so, so much more solid last night. He's a tough lad, our Eros. Remember when he collided with their left back in the second half. Only one of them was getting up and jogging away - and it wasn't the Palace player! When it comes to formation, I think the big positive change came when we switched to a back 4, because up until then Sako looked like he was going to score every time he came forward. The extra width meant we were able to cut out passes intended for him. For a makeshift defence they did a great job of shutting him out of the second half. Oh, agree about the wingers too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 37 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: Brownhill superb last night. What a player at 21 years. He's here, he's there.......... Ticking along nicely.. if he can add a few more goals to his game I think he'd be one of our most valuable assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 Actually thought we were all over the shop in the first half hour, we found it hard to cope with Palace, if it were not for them letting us back in as they did a better defensive outfit would have beaten us well. So there is still some work to do, a lot, Maggers looked out of his depth at times, plus the usual slip and fall, we gave the ball away for fun too, second half was a lot better, but this result was great albeit we should not be thinking we are the finished article, just yet.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseybean Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 15 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: Actually thought we were all over the shop in the first half hour, we found it hard to cope with Palace, if it were not for them letting us back in as they did a better defensive outfit would have beaten us well. So there is still some work to do, a lot, Maggers looked out of his depth at times, plus the usual slip and fall, we gave the ball away for fun too, second half was a lot better, but this result was great albeit we should not be thinking we are the finished article, just yet.. I agree. Although we got back in it thanks to an awful defensive error and a long throw and some good old-fashioned determination, Palace had control of the game for the first half an hour or so and were certainly helped by us giving the ball away too often and granting them lots of time/space. A better second half, with two superb goals and opponents whose confidence was low saw us to a great victory, but against even an average prem side, who would be clinical, I fear it would have been a different outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl&Toby Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: For someone who's made an OTIB career in winding folk up - you don't half gobble up the juicy worm when it's presented. And tell me. What’s wrong with gobbling a juicy worm? Looks like even the old ‘uns do it sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 29 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: Actually thought we were all over the shop in the first half hour, we found it hard to cope with Palace, if it were not for them letting us back in as they did a better defensive outfit would have beaten us well. So there is still some work to do, a lot, Maggers looked out of his depth at times, plus the usual slip and fall, we gave the ball away for fun too, second half was a lot better, but this result was great albeit we should not be thinking we are the finished article, just yet.. I don’t disagree but think some context needs to be added. They didn’t start with an out and out striker. It was pacy wingers and attacking midfielders. We don’t see that in the championship very often and think our entire back 4 needed the half hour to adjust and they did. Could’ve been 2-3 down by then of course. Still think it was a relatively quick adjustment from probably our slowest back 4 combination who’ve rarely played together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said: I don’t disagree but think some context needs to be added. They didn’t start with an out and out striker. It was pacy wingers and attacking midfielders. We don’t see that in the championship very often and think our entire back 4 needed the half hour to adjust and they did. Could’ve been 2-3 down by then of course. Still think it was a relatively quick adjustment from probably our slowest back 4 combination who’ve rarely played together. We started with a back 3 Joe. I think Lee deserves much credit for seeing we were getting overrun and Magnússon, in particular, was struggling. After Pisano was asked to drop back, we had the width to cut out the relentless passes to Sako. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordie Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 2 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: Agree about Sako - amazed he doesn't get more game time at Palace. I thought that Milan was superb, but Pisano took a long time to find his feet again and Magnússon wasn't without his dodgy moments. Strange how different people view players, I actually thought Pisano did really well considering he has been out for around a month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said: Ticking along nicely.. if he can add a few more goals to his game I think he'd be one of our most valuable assets. If he does that, will we be able to keep him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted October 25, 2017 Report Share Posted October 25, 2017 3 minutes ago, cidered abroad said: If he does that, will we be able to keep him? Unfortunately I believe he has one of those agents who likes to keep other clubs aware of him. I think sadly if we don't grow as quickly as he does, we will lose him. On the flip side, if the current market stays as it is, he'll be a very expensive buy for another club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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