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MC RISK77

Last season and Lee Johnson

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I would disagree about the 90% wanting him out. It seemed a lot when you came onto this forum but many had a feeling he would come good.

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I think for the most part- those who wanted him out were relatively muted in the ground itself.

I know this forum is a good cross-section but the only real time- and we don't know how many stayed away during the awful run.

However, the only notable time at home I feel the crowd really turned was after the 2nd Fulham goal IMO.

Also, there was resigned exodus of people getting up and leaving after the 3rd v Cardiff- following a similar scenario v Reading in past League home game.

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19 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I think for the most part- those who wanted him out were relatively muted in the ground itself.

I know this forum is a good cross-section but the only real time- and we don't know how many stayed away during the awful run.

However, the only notable time at home I feel the crowd really turned was after the 2nd Fulham goal IMO.

Also, there was resigned exodus of people getting up and leaving after the 3rd v Cardiff- following a similar scenario v Reading in past League home game.

This forum bares very little resemblance to the crowd at Ashton Gate on a matchday! 

I like the forum but out matchday support were a real credit last season. The polar opposite of the moronic drivel posted by many on here. 

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27 minutes ago, Red Right Hand said:

Immense credit also to SL. Loyalty is a very rare thing in football nowadays and I for one am pleased we showed more of it than most other clubs would have.

Although SL had the final say in the matter, only one board member  voted to keep LJ last season and it wasn't Lansdown, So to say SL deserves praise for showing loyalty isn't strictly true.

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2 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said:

Although SL had the final say in the matter, only one board member  voted to keep LJ last season and it wasn't Lansdown, So to say SL deserves praise for showing loyalty isn't strictly true.

Was it? That does surprise me. JL presumably then or am I misreading things totally?

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I think next season could be the peak. We need to hold onto most of this group and really go for promotion in the 2018-19 season.

The potential is undoubtedly there and Johnson would be making steady progress

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18 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said:

This forum bares very little resemblance to the crowd at Ashton Gate on a matchday! 

I like the forum but out matchday support were a real credit last season. The polar opposite of the moronic drivel posted by many on here. 

Too true, it seems many on here view this as the Bristol City complaints department!

The support last season were a real credit to sticking behind the team in a bad run.

Dont get me wrong, I do like a larf by some of the moaners on here.

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17 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said:

Although SL had the final say in the matter, only one board member  voted to keep LJ last season and it wasn't Lansdown, So to say SL deserves praise for showing loyalty isn't strictly true.

Is that your opinion or a fact? If a fact, how do you know that?

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Wanted him to succeed, didn’t see it happening, so wanted him out....even though I never want that to happen to any manager.

Definitely proved he’s capable of learning (and quickly)....nothing worse than stubbornness.

He’s actually gone back to his beliefs and principles, which he tossed out the window last season.  In the main, he’s recruited for that 442 he wants to play.  Think others have said that out and out wingers haven’t done it this season, but I think LJ likes the hard-working type, capable of drifting in on either foot (Pato and COD, even Brownhill early in season).

Its working.

Long May it continue.

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17 minutes ago, mozo said:

I think next season could be the peak. We need to hold onto most of this group and really go for promotion in the 2018-19 season.

The potential is undoubtedly there and Johnson would be making steady progress

Are we not really going for promotion in 17/18? I am easily fooled you know!

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20 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

Are we not really going for promotion in 17/18? I am easily fooled you know!

I'm sure every club in the world is, but realistically most won't. It feels to me (you might disagree?) that the experience and confidence gained by our young squad could equip them to be at the required level next year, but that they're not up to it yet?

 

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2 minutes ago, mozo said:

I'm sure every club in the world is, but realistically most won't. It feels to me (you might disagree?) that the experience and confidence gained by our young squad could equip them to be at the required level next year, but that they're not up to it yet?

 

I'd rather us strengthen in Jan and next Summer before trying for promotion this season.

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12 minutes ago, CrazyInWeston said:

I'd rather us strengthen in Jan and next Summer before trying for promotion this season.

So we are not going to try for promotion this season, which games have they decided to lose do you think?

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3 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said:

So we are not going to try for promotion this season, which games have they decided to lose do you think?

I just think its too early, sure we may have in the cup beaten 3 teams in said league, but I just feel we need extra strength or we'd go right back down. Hey, I'll be very happy to admit I'm wrong if we go up and stay up.

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I would be more than happy to follow Bunley's path - Go up, come back down (as fully expected), then go back up and stabilise.

All done without changing their manager / head coach once.

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29 minutes ago, mozo said:

I'm sure every club in the world is, but realistically most won't. It feels to me (you might disagree?) that the experience and confidence gained by our young squad could equip them to be at the required level next year, but that they're not up to it yet?

 

Not sure Mozo.  We look good value for fourth most weeks. The problem is offers. Bryan must be on the radar of every side out of the big five as is Brownhill. 

Keeping players is key to next season and who we bring in. I don't think SL is thinking this is a dress Rehearsal for another year. If we are good enough we will stay up there. That's what Sheff Utd and Cardiff will be thinking. The division favorites are largely struggling so why not us. Bugger me if Wolves have played a better team than us on the night I will be amazed. Think Big. Is my thoughts 

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5 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

Not sure Mozo.  We look good value for fourth most weeks. The problem is offers. Bryan must be on the radar of every side out of the big five as is Brownhill. 

Keeping players is key to next season and who we bring in. I don't think SL is thinking this is a dress Rehearsal for another year. If we are good enough we will stay up there. That's what Sheff Utd and Cardiff will be thinking. The division favorites are largely struggling so why not us. Bugger me if Wolves have played a better team than us on the night I will be amazed. Think Big. Is my thoughts 

I'll pass on that offer, if it's all the same to you Oxo - no matter how big you are thinking.

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1 hour ago, The Horse With No Name said:

No. maybe someone ITK can confirm but both Lansdowns were ready to pull the trigger,

I'm confused ( not difficult! ). But SL was ready to pull the trigger, but then only one member of the board wanted  LJ to stay & that swayed his opinion in the other direction? COYR 

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29 minutes ago, CrazyInWeston said:

I just think its too early, sure we may have in the cup beaten 3 teams in said league, but I just feel we need extra strength or we'd go right back down. Hey, I'll be very happy to admit I'm wrong if we go up and stay up.

You might be right - but the extra money from being up and parachute payments would mean the players we can recruit within FFP would change massively. I not saying I think we'll go up this season but the squad we would have if we don't go up and keep out players and add to them for a go at promotion compared to the one you would have even if relegated from the prem would be huge. Better to go up come down and then go for promotion again than hope we keep our best players in the summer and try and build on it.

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39 minutes ago, Simon79 said:

I'm confused ( not difficult! ). But SL was ready to pull the trigger, but then only one member of the board wanted  LJ to stay & that swayed his opinion in the other direction? COYR 

As I understand it, the decision had to be unanimous, and it wasn't quite. 

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Absolutely bull...

Sorry, but if SL wanted LJ gone, LJ would be gone. Unanimous decision my arse. 

Your “source” is, I’m afraid either a bulls***** or a sh**tstirer.

Under what circumstances does a privately owned business with a majority shareholder require anything other than the majority shareholder to make a management change?

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2 hours ago, The Horse With No Name said:

Although SL had the final say in the matter, only one board member  voted to keep LJ last season and it wasn't Lansdown, So to say SL deserves praise for showing loyalty isn't strictly true.

How many on the board ? Seven or eight I think. So, if only one voted to stick with LJ - how come he was not sacked ? This statement is obviously rubbish. 

SL has supported LJ consistently since he became Head Coach and it is now coming good. 

With regard to last season, yes it was dreadful in the last few weeks of 2016 and early 2017 but if you care to check my posting record you will find me supporting LJ throughout and I always thought he would come good.

As the OP says, he had the guts to get through that nightmare and is much stronger as a result. 

We are now seeing a settled management team, a squad now almost entirely chosen by Lee who are developing a great understanding between them, and the best of the youngsters (particularly Reid) developing into superb players. 

Feels good today after a great win away at Sunderland.

OH - and we are home to Man U just before Christmas.

Happy days ! 

 

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27 minutes ago, redsontour said:

Absolutely bull...

Sorry, but if SL wanted LJ gone, LJ would be gone. Unanimous decision my arse. 

Your “source” is, I’m afraid either a bulls***** or a sh**tstirer.

Under what circumstances does a privately owned business with a majority shareholder require anything other than the majority shareholder to make a management change?

How about if that board member was the Chairman? Would that make a difference? 

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2 minutes ago, The Horse With No Name said:

How about if that board member was the Chairman? Would that make a difference? 

SL categorically stated in that interview that it was his decision alone whether LJ stayed…

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4 hours ago, MC RISK77 said:

What a season we are having this far...4th place and a fantastic cup run and Lee now looking every bit the highly rated young manager many pundits suggest he is.

i can’t help thinking that last season and in particular the losing run was the best thing that could have happened to him. It takes real guts and resilience to stand your ground when pretty much 90% of the crowd wanted him gone during that period. Turning round and seeing a banner sayin o’drisvoll save us must have been a particular low point.

however the confidence lansdown showed in him must be a fantastic feeling in a climate where most teams would have got shot of him.

i think he has clearly learnt from that and is now benefiting from the experience.

still early days but he takes all the plaudits from me 10/10 this season from transfers...team set up..tactics and communicatio with the fan base.

i really hope he can take us places this season.

Plenty of so called supporters looking a bit thick now.

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13 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

SL categorically stated in that interview that it was his decision alone whether LJ stayed…

Indeed he did. 

No major decision is made by anyone other than SL. 

The day to day running of the club he appointed MA to do. 

Obviously the footballing side is left to LJ.

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5 hours ago, MC RISK77 said:

What a season we are having this far...4th place and a fantastic cup run and Lee now looking every bit the highly rated young manager many pundits suggest he is.

i can’t help thinking that last season and in particular the losing run was the best thing that could have happened to him. It takes real guts and resilience to stand your ground when pretty much 90% of the crowd wanted him gone during that period. Turning round and seeing a banner sayin o’drisvoll save us must have been a particular low point.

however the confidence lansdown showed in him must be a fantastic feeling in a climate where most teams would have got shot of him.

i think he has clearly learnt from that and is now benefiting from the experience.

still early days but he takes all the plaudits from me 10/10 this season from transfers...team set up..tactics and communicatio with the fan base.

i really hope he can take us places this season.

With respect...totally disagree.

I look at football and the way it sacks managers as completely bonkers.

Unfortunately....clubs and fans think this should be normal practice.

If you ran a normal business and sacked your manager and employees every two years, do you think you'll succeed?

Take that into football, and then give yourself transfer windows that only able you to operate fully for a few months a year, and expect to do well....Really?

Fans and owners 'expect' managers and players to achieve something every season. All going for 3 spots....

If we get knocked out in the QF of the league cup and end up finishing bang on mid table, you can guarantee many fans would think we've had a crap season....such is the fickle nature.

Football is complete madness and makes no sense at all.

Everyone is a complete hero one week, a complete **** the next.

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3 hours ago, BCFC Richard said:

You might be right - but the extra money from being up and parachute payments would mean the players we can recruit within FFP would change massively. I not saying I think we'll go up this season but the squad we would have if we don't go up and keep out players and add to them for a go at promotion compared to the one you would have even if relegated from the prem would be huge. Better to go up come down and then go for promotion again than hope we keep our best players in the summer and try and build on it.

Parachutes for better budget more money for better players. I like it. Still wouldnt it be more rewarding if we got there on our own merit and stayed up?

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17 minutes ago, CrazyInWeston said:

Parachutes for better budget more money for better players. I like it. Still wouldnt it be more rewarding if we got there on our own merit and stayed up?

 

If we get promoted it is on our own merit. A season playing Man utd/City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Totenham, Arsenal etc at the gate and worse case scenario we get relegated and have tens of millions to build a even firmer foundation in the Championship as well as being a more attractive proposition to players.

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16 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

This forum bares very little resemblance to the crowd at Ashton Gate on a matchday! 

I like the forum but out matchday support were a real credit last season. The polar opposite of the moronic drivel posted by many on here. 

While some peoples posting was shall we say a little over the top there is no ignoring the fact that for a great deal of last season results and some but not all performances were very bad, a record run of defeats in our entire 110 year history would have resulted in the sack for almost any other manager ever, I posted at the time if people learn from there mistakes we should win the league next season, well we aren't doing too bad at the moment so it looks like he did. 

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2 hours ago, Chairman Mao said:

What is the point of a board vote if it has no effect? What an awful corporate structure. 

... or that’s not actually the case..!

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5 hours ago, Chairman Mao said:

What is the point of a board vote if it has no effect? What an awful corporate structure. 

Now there’s ironic post of the day given your username...although we have to assume that SL is not going to oversee the deaths of 50 million people...

And ”awful corporate structure” or not, the board of directors are there to deliver results, and answer to, the shareholders and, if one shareholder is a majority they can guide as much as they like but ultimately, as mentioned before, that shareholder can pretty much do as they wish...of course, the directors could resign if they were completely against it.

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22 hours ago, The Horse With No Name said:

No. maybe someone ITK can confirm but both Lansdowns were ready to pull the trigger,

If only one board member wanted LJ to stay and both Lansdowns wanted him gone it sounds like the solo stayer is extremely powerful; that is the sum total 'result' of your two posts. In short I am confused!

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23 hours ago, MC RISK77 said:

What a season we are having this far...4th place and a fantastic cup run and Lee now looking every bit the highly rated young manager many pundits suggest he is.

i can’t help thinking that last season and in particular the losing run was the best thing that could have happened to him. It takes real guts and resilience to stand your ground when pretty much 90% of the crowd wanted him gone during that period. Turning round and seeing a banner sayin o’drisvoll save us must have been a particular low point.

however the confidence lansdown showed in him must be a fantastic feeling in a climate where most teams would have got shot of him.

i think he has clearly learnt from that and is now benefiting from the experience.

still early days but he takes all the plaudits from me 10/10 this season from transfers...team set up..tactics and communicatio with the fan base.

i really hope he can take us places this season.

johnson out

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5 hours ago, redsontour said:

Now there’s ironic post of the day given your username...although we have to assume that SL is not going to oversee the deaths of 50 million people...

And ”awful corporate structure” or not, the board of directors are there to deliver results, and answer to, the shareholders and, if one shareholder is a majority they can guide as much as they like but ultimately, as mentioned before, that shareholder can pretty much do as they wish...of course, the directors could resign if they were completely against it.

Silence Western scum!

The politburo is an incredibly democratic entity. 

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Fickle nature of football supporters will always cause debate and discussion when times are good or bad. Thats what makes being a supporter on a match day in the pub with your likeminded mates the best part of the week. :yes:

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I agree with much of the OP's sentiment.

I am optimistic about how we are doing now and I think there is a distant possibility of promotion this season.

However, let's just get to the end of the season first before singing his praises too much because we don't want the team becoming complacent or too big for their boots.

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On 28/10/2017 at 19:20, The Horse With No Name said:

Although SL had the final say in the matter, only one board member  voted to keep LJ last season and it wasn't Lansdown, So to say SL deserves praise for showing loyalty isn't strictly true.

 

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On 28/10/2017 at 19:20, The Horse With No Name said:

Although SL had the final say in the matter, only one board member  voted to keep LJ last season and it wasn't Lansdown, So to say SL deserves praise for showing loyalty isn't strictly true.

That doesn’t make sense I’m afraid.

If SL wanted him gone and had the final say and voted to sack him, then I’m quite confident LJ would have gone.

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Some statements on this thread which I don't think are quite correct :-

1) 'OTIB is a good cross section of the crowd at BS3'.  

- No, many come on here because it's a way of keeping in touch with and being part of the club they no longer get to see (for whatever reason). The most vocal have often been following the club from their sofa. Had last season's crowd at BS3 reflected what was being said on here by most then there would have mass demonstrations. There wasn't.

2) 'SL was loyal to Lee Johnson'

Not for one second do I believe this to be the reason Lee stayed on. All this 'bromance' and 'adopted son' spin was utter utter nonsense. SL may like and respect Lee but the minute he thinksLJ is not up to the job- he'll be gone. I think it was the same  case  for a few on here in that he could see the horrendous losing run was disguising the attributes of an intelligent and capable young manager . No one was better placed to see this than SL.

3) 'SL was overruled about sacking LJ as stated by an employee from the inner sanctum'.

The final decision is Steve's to make and no doubt he thought long and hard about it. Employees come and go at Bristol Sport and Steve Lansdown has not yet handed over the very biggest decisions at the club to a committee , his Board or an employee. He may well take close council and weigh up the advice given but he's the one pushing the button on the biggest issues.

 

 

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SL signs off all the big decisions at the club. Nothing happens unless he says so. It's possible of course he was persuaded to stick with him by another board member, but the notion that there was a "vote" which SL lost can't be true. 

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If it really was Keith Dawe who was the lone voice in favour of keeping LJ, then the rest of the board were probably so shocked that he'd actually spoken that they thought they'd better go with what he said. 

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