Warnock

[Always Believesham]

I did think the referee started off with the cards too early and realised this would add to the atmosphere so started talking to players when he could so easily have booked them toward the end of the first half (at least one petulant needless shirt pull)

Came out for the second half, if there’s anything in the back of the referee’s mind about Bamba’s simulation then, to send Pack off may have seen a 3 man panel deal with Bamba. He’s done Bamba a favour.

The referee wants to keep 11v11, Bogle gave him no choice, other indiscretions were either mistimed or a little excessive... Once a player does that, no matter how horrendous the tackle, it opens the floodgates, another foul from Pack and he would have gone.

Not sure about Premiership quality for the equaliser, the ball ricocheted around Magnússon and their player and he laid it back into a crowded penalty area. Neither showed great quality today, it wasn’t the game for it but to win it with a long throw was sweet.

I didn’t feel like it was ability that would get them anything, more, luck - which with a one-goal lead can make all the difference

[1960maaan]

1 hour ago, gow2gooseya said:

I thought the sending off was a 50/50 tbh, a bit harsh. They both went in with studs up

I hope you say that having not seen the highlights. 

Pack poke the ball with his toe and Bogle has both feet off the ground studs up, could have been a leg breaker.

[redfieldred]

20 hours ago, Dave said:

I’m not even sure Packs was a foul, he definitely played the ball.

 

It certainly wasn't the worst foul of the match as Colin described it. That would be the 2 footed lung that deservedly got a straight red

[TRL]

I like Warnock, he really is there in the media taking the pressure off his players by saying things to get a reaction, the ire is then raining down on him, rather than his players,  In the changing room, it would be another thing entirely, and there is no deflection of criticism behind the scenes.

 

I can honestly say outside of football,he is possibly one of the nicest, if not the nicest person I have met, lovely bloke, and a complete pantomime villain in the game.

 

I do wonder how so many people let him wind them up so much.

 

He talks a lot of sense about football generally when you cut through the mind games.

[Lanterne Rouge]

2 hours ago, TRL said:

I like Warnock, he really is there in the media taking the pressure off his players by saying things to get a reaction, the ire is then raining down on him, rather than his players,  In the changing room, it would be another thing entirely, and there is no deflection of criticism behind the scenes.

 

I can honestly say outside of football,he is possibly one of the nicest, if not the nicest person I have met, lovely bloke, and a complete pantomime villain in the game.

 

I do wonder how so many people let him wind them up so much.

 

He talks a lot of sense about football generally when you cut through the mind games.

He is away from football. I know lots of people who know him down here, people who go sailing with him and stuff like that and they tell me he is a great bloke.

The problem I have with him is totally within football though - you only had to watch him yesterday (which I did closely) to see his antics. He was in the officials` ears the whole time, waving imaginary cards about and at one point actually came on the pitch. If any player did half what he does they`d be sent off immediately and that is the problem - he gets away with it scot free. Add that to the way he gets his teams to play - total anti football - and you have the reasons why I wouldn`t want him anywhere near City ever.

[Slippin cider]

Bloke’s a bellend ....

[Donkeeebles]

7 hours ago, pongo88 said:

The point they understand, which many on the forum don’t, is it’s possible to win the ball and commit a foul at the same time. Many have said that Pack won the ball, therefore not a foul, but they ignore the off the ground tackle from Pack that clobbered the player at the same time. 

Thanks for enlightening those of us with a lesser understanding of tackling than you 

[gow2gooseya]

23 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

I hope you say that having not seen the highlights. 

Pack poke the ball with his toe and Bogle has both feet off the ground studs up, could have been a leg breaker.

No I did study the vid footage.

It was a cruncher on both sides, over in the blink of an eye. Just the sort of tackle in fact that you would expect in a local derby.  If either player was over the ball with intent I didnt spot it, but maybe thats because it was a fast event. I have seen worse tackles, although Bogle was maybe less adept at tackling than Pack and the tackle was more uncontrolled.  But then that is Pack's area of operations, in a packed (!) midfield battle ground, and he is becoming a very necessary and accomplished part of this burgeoning side.  

We once had a player called Gow, who would put his foot in where others would not, and had an ability to come away with the ball.  Pack is pursuing that road, and it is making him a formidable player, so I applaud his role within the team even if it does result in bookings and occasional risk of injury.

Pack is not a nasty player, just a hard one,: something I hope referees will realise moving forwards. Its just that other players are maybe not as good as he is at what is a specialist skill.

 

[Ska Junkie]

23 hours ago, TRL said:

I like Warnock, he really is there in the media taking the pressure off his players by saying things to get a reaction, the ire is then raining down on him, rather than his players,  In the changing room, it would be another thing entirely, and there is no deflection of criticism behind the scenes.

 

I can honestly say outside of football,he is possibly one of the nicest, if not the nicest person I have met, lovely bloke, and a complete pantomime villain in the game.

 

I do wonder how so many people let him wind them up so much.

 

He talks a lot of sense about football generally when you cut through the mind games.

I agree TRL.

We went to Cornwall a few years ago and spent a day in Polperro. I had a City T shirt on and we bumped into Mr Warnock. He spent a fair bit of time chatting about Bristol, Steve Lansdown and City. Everything he said was very complimentary. I asked him if he enjoyed winding people up? With a cheeky grin and a glint in his eye, his reply was 'what do you think'?

He was a total gentleman when I met him, an absolute pleasure to talk to for 10 minutes.

While I don't like his football and his antics, football doesn't have many characters nowadays but he's definitely one. 'Pantomime villain' is a very apt description IMHO. Away from football, from my short experience, I thought he was a really nice bloke!

[NOTBLUE]

The way I see it is that Pack put a tackle and and caught the player as well,Bogle on the other hand only had one thing in his mind and that was to hurt pack.

[AppyDAZE]

 

4 minutes ago, NOTBLUE said:

The way I see it is that Pack put a tackle and and caught the player as well,Bogle on the other hand only had one thing in his mind and that was to hurt pack.

It seems to be that this is very definitely the ref's conclusion. And the Ref, Neil is ALWAYS right   :laugh:

[BobBobSuperBob]

Bogles tackle was two footed, , both sets of studs showing, complely  of control , extremely reckless , extremely dangerous .... 

Other than that there wasn't much wrong with it

 

 

[redfieldred]

On 05/11/2017 at 10:38, 1960maaan said:

That's how I saw it , I honestly thought he had a word with their player for making a meal of it (simulation?) . I said at the time , foul for an over robust challenge even though he won the ball,. Then he talks to their player for trying to get Pack sent off, at least that's what I thought at the time.

 X 2 

[Ska Junkie]

Don't refs book players for being 'too physical' nowadays or some other garbage like that? Marlon won the ball but DID take the man as well. If the ref deemed it as a foul, which he did as he gave a free kick, Marlon was very lucky to stay on the field IMHO and his reaction showed that. A few years ago, that would have been classed as a damn good tackle TBH.

[CliftonCliff]

2 hours ago, Ska Junkie said:

I agree TRL.

We went to Cornwall a few years ago and spent a day in Polperro. I had a City T shirt on and we bumped into Mr Warnock. He spent a fair bit of time chatting about Bristol, Steve Lansdown and City. Everything he said was very complimentary. I asked him if he enjoyed winding people up? With a cheeky grin and a glint in his eye, his reply was 'what do you think'?

He was a total gentleman when I met him, an absolute pleasure to talk to for 10 minutes.

While I don't like his football and his antics, football doesn't have many characters nowadays but he's definitely one. 'Pantomime villain' is a very apt description IMHO. Away from football, from my short experience, I thought he was a really nice bloke!

With all due respect, we’ve heard this stuff before about Warnock being a nice bloke away from the game, but I’m afraid I don’t buy it, not because it’s untrue (I haven’t met him, so wouldn’t know) but because it’s irrelevant. This is a football forum and he’s judged here on the way he behaves in his professional capacity, not on whether he’s good company down the pub or whether he’s loving towards his wife and dog.

As nice a guy as he may be in private, he is consistently obnoxious and deliberately abrasive in his public conduct and controversy and discord follow him around like a bad smell. He might like to convey the impression that he has an impish sense of humour and does it just to wind people up. In my humble estimation that’s bollocks. He is thoroughly unscrupulous and will resort to any trick in the book to gain an advantage, including stooping to offensive personal comments, as in his deeply unpleasant and sneering “like father, like son” remark about LJ a year or two ago. Games against teams managed by him are almost invariably nasty, niggly affairs, littered with examples of his relentless gamesmanship - feigning injury, time wasting and all the rest of it - and frequently dragged down by the ugly brand of football he tends to favour. 

We pay good money to watch this rubbish. As far as I’m concerned, he lowers standards of professional conduct in football wherever he goes, gives the game a bad name and the sooner he retires, the better football will be for it. 

Rant over.

[AppyDAZE]

14 minutes ago, CliftonCliff said:

With all due respect, we’ve heard this stuff before about Warnock being a nice bloke away from the game, but I’m afraid I don’t buy it, not because it’s untrue (I haven’t met him, so wouldn’t know) but because it’s irrelevant. This is a football forum and he’s judged here on the way he behaves in his professional capacity, not on whether he’s good company down the pub or whether he’s loving towards his wife and dog.

As nice a guy as he may be in private, he is consistently obnoxious and deliberately abrasive in his public conduct and controversy and discord follow him around like a bad smell. He might like to convey the impression that he has an impish sense of humour and does it just to wind people up. In my humble estimation that’s bollocks. He is thoroughly unscrupulous and will resort to any trick in the book to gain an advantage, including stooping to offensive personal comments, as in his deeply unpleasant and sneering “like father, like son” remark about LJ a year or two ago. Games against teams managed by him are almost invariably nasty, niggly affairs, littered with examples of his relentless gamesmanship - feigning injury, time wasting and all the rest of it - and frequently dragged down by the ugly brand of football he tends to favour. 

We pay good money to watch this rubbish. As far as I’m concerned, he lowers standards of professional conduct in football wherever he goes, gives the game a bad name and the sooner he retires, the better football will be for it. 

Rant over.

Brilliantly put.

[downendcity]

7 minutes ago, CliftonCliff said:

With all due respect, we’ve heard this stuff before about Warnock being a nice bloke away from the game, but I’m afraid I don’t buy it, not because it’s untrue (I haven’t met him, so wouldn’t know) but because it’s irrelevant. This is a football forum and he’s judged here on the way he behaves in his professional capacity, not on whether he’s good company down the pub or whether he’s loving towards his wife and dog.

As nice a guy as he may be in private, he is consistently obnoxious and deliberately abrasive in his public conduct and controversy and discord follow him around like a bad smell. He might like to convey the impression that he has an impish sense of humour and does it just to wind people up. In my humble estimation that’s bollocks. He is thoroughly unscrupulous and will resort to any trick in the book to gain an advantage, including stooping to offensive personal comments, as in his deeply unpleasant and sneering “like father, like son” remark about LJ a year or two ago. Games against teams managed by him are almost invariably nasty, niggly affairs, littered with examples of his relentless gamesmanship - feigning injury, time wasting and all the rest of it - and frequently dragged down by the ugly brand of football he tends to favour. 

We pay good money to watch this rubbish. As far as I’m concerned, he lowers standards of professional conduct in football wherever he goes, gives the game a bad name and the sooner he retires, the better football will be for it. 

Rant over.

Sheff Utd v WBA in 2002 is the best indication of the type of manager Warnock is. 

When down to 8 men after 3 sending's off , Warnock's team had a further 2 players come off due to "injury". thereby ensuring the ref was forced to abandon the game with 8 minutes to go. Luckily WBA were awarded the game 3-0, so Warnock did not get the replayed game his "tactics' were obviously designed to achieve.

Warnock is a master of the media, and always comes across as your mate down the pub when being interviewed , but he is absolutely cynical when it comes to getting his team the best advantage, or doing the Mourinho deflection but blaming anyone but himself or his players for a bad result.

[CliftonCliff]

29 minutes ago, downendcity said:

Sheff Utd v WBA in 2002 is the best indication of the type of manager Warnock is. 

When down to 8 men after 3 sending's off , Warnock's team had a further 2 players come off due to "injury". thereby ensuring the ref was forced to abandon the game with 8 minutes to go. Luckily WBA were awarded the game 3-0, so Warnock did not get the replayed game his "tactics' were obviously designed to achieve.

Warnock is a master of the media, and always comes across as your mate down the pub when being interviewed , but he is absolutely cynical when it comes to getting his team the best advantage, or doing the Mourinho deflection but blaming anyone but himself or his players for a bad result.

Exactly. Couldn’t have put it better myself. I’d forgotten the game you mentioned. Well remembered. Sums the bugger up perfectly.

[Ska Junkie]

49 minutes ago, CliftonCliff said:

With all due respect, we’ve heard this stuff before about Warnock being a nice bloke away from the game, but I’m afraid I don’t buy it, not because it’s untrue (I haven’t met him, so wouldn’t know) but because it’s irrelevant. This is a football forum and he’s judged here on the way he behaves in his professional capacity, not on whether he’s good company down the pub or whether he’s loving towards his wife and dog.

As nice a guy as he may be in private, he is consistently obnoxious and deliberately abrasive in his public conduct and controversy and discord follow him around like a bad smell. He might like to convey the impression that he has an impish sense of humour and does it just to wind people up. In my humble estimation that’s bollocks. He is thoroughly unscrupulous and will resort to any trick in the book to gain an advantage, including stooping to offensive personal comments, as in his deeply unpleasant and sneering “like father, like son” remark about LJ a year or two ago. Games against teams managed by him are almost invariably nasty, niggly affairs, littered with examples of his relentless gamesmanship - feigning injury, time wasting and all the rest of it - and frequently dragged down by the ugly brand of football he tends to favour. 

We pay good money to watch this rubbish. As far as I’m concerned, he lowers standards of professional conduct in football wherever he goes, gives the game a bad name and the sooner he retires, the better football will be for it. 

Rant over.

Fair comment Cliff.

As I said, I can't stand his football and his constant berating of anyone within earshot to gain the slightest advantage. The Rotherham game at our place a couple of seasons ago was nothing short of disgraceful.

All that said, the only time I've met him, he was a genuinely nice fella. As a manager, he's totally obnoxious but he certainly gets a reaction as proven by this thread.