Robbored Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 40 minutes ago, AshtonPark said: What does an old city player have to do about it? A perfect example of a lower league goalscorer who game was found out higher up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, Robbored said: A perfect example of a lower league goalscorer who game was found out higher up. Which is true, but he was only about 19 at the time and coming from Ebbesfleet (at a lower standard) was thrown into Championship football. We're giving McCoulsky time to grow and develop at the correct pace. The club is far better placed to nurture youngsters now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samo II Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Which is true, but he was only about 19 at the time and coming from Ebbesfleet (at a lower standard) was thrown into Championship football. We're giving McCoulsky time to grow and develop at the correct pace. The club is far better placed to nurture youngsters now. When Bobby Reid was 21 we sent him out to League Two for development; doing the same with Shawn McC, and will do him the power of good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman85 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Which is true, but he was only about 19 at the time and coming from Ebbesfleet (at a lower standard) was thrown into Championship football. We're giving McCoulsky time to grow and develop at the correct pace. The club is far better placed to nurture youngsters now. Agreed though I would rather have MClouskey than the ineffective Woodrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: Which is true, but he was only about 19 at the time and coming from Ebbesfleet (at a lower standard) was thrown into Championship football. We're giving McCoulsky time to grow and develop at the correct pace. The club is far better placed to nurture youngsters now. Maybe next season if we're still in the Championship McCoulsky might be able to make the huge step up in quality. Can't see it happening before then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, tinman85 said: Agreed though I would rather have MClouskey than the ineffective Woodrow. Yep, Woodrow was done nothing. Djuric is back in a month or so and I can't see LJ thinking it would necessary to recall big Shawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, Robbored said: Maybe next season if we're still in the Championship McCoulsky might be able to make the huge step up in quality. Can't see it happening before then. I think League 1 would be the next logical step. Perhaps Plymouth or somewhere (which was a great loan for both Reid and Bryan). No need to rush them, competitive men's football experience is such a huge advantage compared to playing u23 football here. Whilst Akinde was here our youth set-up was pretty awful. It's a miracle really that Bryan and Reid managed to make it to where they are now considering as they had their formative teenage footballing years during that time. Things are in place now which make Bristol City FC a great place for young players. The likes of Tinnion in his role is such an asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nest Egg Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, Robbored said: Maybe next season if we're still in the Championship McCoulsky might be able to make the huge step up in quality. Can't see it happening before then. Isn't it great to finally refer to 'if we're still in the Championship' in a positive sense rather than that of a relegation scrap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Kingswoodactor said: In the Prem? You never know if he keeps on knocking them in - stranger things have happened! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_BCFC Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Just seen the goal, fantastic leap and controlled header and even sweeter being against 'the mighty' Leeds United He has the potential to be a top player, hopefully in a City shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalcub Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 How can Woodrow , engval and Taylor be above mccoalsky ? It’s bizarre the guy scores goals as an out an out forward we need this option . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverRed Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 10 minutes ago, bengalcub said: How can Woodrow , engval and Taylor be above mccoalsky ? It’s bizarre the guy scores goals as an out an out forward we need this option . His time will come. Future first team player, no doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED4LIFE Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 20 minutes ago, bengalcub said: How can Woodrow , engval and Taylor be above mccoalsky ? It’s bizarre the guy scores goals as an out an out forward we need this option . Are you serious? Maybe because Woodrow and Taylor have had plenty of first team football behind them and Engvall is an international. Absolutely nothing bizarre about it. Besides, Engvall has only just got back off loan and is available whereas SM is on a season-long loan to Newport. Yes, McCoulsky could be a decent player at this level, but he has no experience of it. Ffs, he was playing Conference South 18 months ago. Lets give him first team league football for a while to learn his trade before dropping him into the deep end. He still has a lot to learn yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42596626 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalcub Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 I don’t buy He needs a loan blah blah standard football waffle he scored 30 goals last season and should of been in the plans this season round ..... the other strikers bring very little . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 43 minutes ago, RED4LIFE said: Are you serious? Maybe because Woodrow and Taylor have had plenty of first team football behind them and Engvall is an international. Absolutely nothing bizarre about it. Besides, Engvall has only just got back off loan and is available whereas SM is on a season-long loan to Newport. Yes, McCoulsky could be a decent player at this level, but he has no experience of it. Ffs, he was playing Conference South 18 months ago. Lets give him first team league football for a while to learn his trade before dropping him into the deep end. He still has a lot to learn yet. *stamps feet* But I want results and I want them yesterday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED4LIFE Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, bengalcub said: I don’t buy He needs a loan blah blah standard football waffle he scored 30 goals last season and should of been in the plans this season round ..... the other strikers bring very little . Serious question, did you ever play football at a half decent standard as a kid? I suspect not. You were probably whining about how others should take responsibility for your **** ups al la your recent parking ticket... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalcub Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Yes Red4life I did and still do play although not at the same level anymore ,funnily enough my football ability as yours has nothing to do with my opinion ..the parking ticket as a little swipe well done mate very good . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 3 hours ago, bengalcub said: How can Woodrow , engval and Taylor be above mccoalsky ? It’s bizarre the guy scores goals as an out an out forward we need this option . How can Frank Nouble and Padraig Amond be starting ahead if McCoulsky? That would be my first questions. What is he not contributing....only started 7 of 23 League 2 games he’s been in the squad? I don’t know. Loving his goals, and ratio of goals per minute, but easy to get carried away with what he’s doing at League 2. A fair few put Hinds ahead of McCoulsky, and he’s had even less time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityCiderEd Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 7 hours ago, Robbored said: An exception. Very few lower league strikers with impressive records make it higher up. The gulf in quality is too vast. Jamie Vardy,Charlie Austin,Ian Wright,Kevin Philips,Gary Hooper,Troy Deeney,Malcolm Christie and Les Ferdinand wern't too shabby..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED4LIFE Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 7 minutes ago, bengalcub said: Yes Red4life I did and still do play although not at the same level anymore ,funnily enough my football ability as yours has nothing to do with my opinion ..the parking ticket as a little swipe well done mate very good . If thats the case, then surely you realise no matter how good you are at a lower level of football, moving up to a much higher standard is very difficult to adapt to straight away. I started in mens football at 15 (almost 16) in District 4, and within a month got shifted to the 1st team in District Prem and I struggled against those better players because I was up against footballers rather than cloggers. After another 4 years I eventually played Western league but talent-wise I wasn't any better than I was at 15, I was just more savvy, physically stronger and had more experience against better players. The same applies all the way up through the leagues. Using your logic, you could have a 20 year old kid playing local footy that scores 40 in a season and he should be playing in the Prem. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. Apologies for the parking ticket jibe, but I have yet to see you say anything positive about the club and you come across (rightly or wrongly) as someone that either has a poor sense of entitlement or has no idea of how football really works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryans Left Peg Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, CityCiderEd said: Jamie Vardy,Charlie Austin,Ian Wright,Kevin Philips,Gary Hooper,Troy Deeney,Malcolm Christie and Les Ferdinand wern't too shabby..... That feller from the less fortunate lot who went to Southampton/Liverpool & played for England was alright too. Jimmy Bullard started out at Ebbsfleet I believe (may have been Fleetwood), Chris Smalling was at Kettering/Maidstone/Aldershot or something like that before joining Fulham, and Kevin Phillips was non league! (The team escapes me though.) Dele Alli was at MK Dons in league one just a few years ago. Never write people off! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityCiderEd Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bryans Left Peg said: That feller from the less fortunate lot who went to Southampton/Liverpool & played for England was alright too. Jimmy Bullard started out at Ebbsfleet I believe (may have been Fleetwood), Chris Smalling was at Kettering/Maidstone/Aldershot or something like that before joining Fulham, and Kevin Phillips was non league! (The team escapes me though.) Dele Alli was at MK Dons in league one just a few years ago. Never write people off! Philips was at Baldock Town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiderEyed Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, RED4LIFE said: If thats the case, then surely you realise no matter how good you are at a lower level of football, moving up to a much higher standard is very difficult to adapt to straight away. I started in mens football at 15 (almost 16) in District 4, and within a month got shifted to the 1st team in District Prem and I struggled against those better players because I was up against footballers rather than cloggers. After another 4 years I eventually played Western league but talent-wise I wasn't any better than I was at 15, I was just more savvy, physically stronger and had more experience against better players. The same applies all the way up through the leagues. Using your logic, you could have a 20 year old kid playing local footy that scores 40 in a season and he should be playing in the Prem. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. Apologies for the parking ticket jibe, but I have yet to see you say anything positive about the club and you come across (rightly or wrongly) as someone that either has a poor sense of entitlement or has no idea of how football really works. Totally agree. Playing in the "lower" leagues offers a young a player the ability to become a more rounded person and footballer. If you've been playing against people your age, and then you suddenly get chucked in at the deep end against Andy the 6'6" shithouse from the Wirral, it can only serve to make you better at dealing with that kind of situation. McCoulsky will come back a better player after his loan spell, not only because he's been getting minutes, but because he's be playing against defenders at a higher calibre than ever before. Lets not forget as well that each of the leagues in English football offers a different challenge for strikers. Between League 1 and the Championship, you get a lot less time on the ball, you find a lot less space in the channels and centre halves tend to be better all round footballers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 20 minutes ago, CityCiderEd said: Jamie Vardy,Charlie Austin,Ian Wright,Kevin Philips,Gary Hooper,Troy Deeney,Malcolm Christie and Les Ferdinand wern't too shabby..... Was gonna say that a fair few on your list were late into the pro game....desire to achieve. But poster below sort of said the same. 11 minutes ago, Bryans Left Peg said: That feller from the less fortunate lot who went to Southampton/Liverpool & played for England was alright too. Jimmy Bullard started out at Ebbsfleet I believe (may have been Fleetwood), Chris Smalling was at Kettering/Maidstone/Aldershot or something like that before joining Fulham, and Kevin Phillips was non league! (The team escapes me though.) Dele Alli was at MK Dons in league one just a few years ago. Never write people off! 9 minutes ago, CityCiderEd said: Philips was at Baldock Town. Bashley i think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryans Left Peg Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 18 minutes ago, CityCiderEd said: Philips was at Baldock Town. Ah so he was, could've had 30 guesses and I still wouldn't have got that. I had another team in mind for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Bryans Left Peg said: Ah so he was, could've had 30 guesses and I still wouldn't have got that. I had another team in mind for some reason. Could’ve sworn it was Bashley....but Sam Baldock Town it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryans Left Peg Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Could’ve sworn it was Bashley....but Sam Baldock Town it was. Haha, I was thinking as soon as someone says the name, I'll know it! I was so wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalcub Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Fair comments red4life , I libe and breath football and have done all my life so I feel I understand the game well enough , you can interpret my posts however you like it’s not a problem , I just hate the classic lines of “he needs a loan “ he’s not quite ready needs to toughen up ....etc etc etc we have poor options up top and arguably our best finisher out at Newport I just think he would offer more than what some of our current strikers do. Hinds went out on loan and in my opinion he’s in a worse place now then before he went to Cheltenham ... my point sometimes “he needs a loan “ can be counterproductive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryans Left Peg Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, bengalcub said: Fair comments red4life , I libe and breath football and have done all my life so I feel I understand the game well enough , you can interpret my posts however you like it’s not a problem , I just hate the classic lines of “he needs a loan “ he’s not quite ready needs to toughen up ....etc etc etc we have poor options up top and arguably our best finisher out at Newport I just think he would offer more than what some of our current strikers do. Hinds went out on loan and in my opinion he’s in a worse place now then before he went to Cheltenham ... my point sometimes “he needs a loan “ can be counterproductive. I have literally never agreed with one of your posts. It's funny how people can have such different perspectives eh? (Not a criticism, more of an observation.) Of course loans can be counter productive, every signing is a risk, loan or permanent. For the majority of them, they are productive. Either way players will ALWAYS grow and learn from their experiences, positive or otherwise. Strongly insinuating that a lad who's just making his mark at a League Two team should be thrown into a squad that's competing for Promotion to the Premier League is strange, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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