Admin phantom Posted November 23, 2017 Admin Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Football-related arrests have fallen once more and remain at historically low levels, according to Government statistics released today. There were 1,638 football-related arrests in 2016-17, a 14% decrease of 257 on the previous season – equivalent to just four arrests per 100,000 match-going supporters. The Home Office figures are the latest to show a long term drop in the number of football-related arrests. Almost halving over the last seven seasons: from 3,089 to 1,638 (a 47% drop). FSF casework Amanda Jacks said: “It’s very pleasing to see arrests remaining at historically low levels. “Any match-going fan will know that the overwhelming majority of football supporters are well behaved and that match days largely pass without incident – these figures reflect that. “Over the last seven seasons we’ve seen significant improvements to football policing, supporter behaviour and fans’ involvement in match-day planning. These have all contributed to a better match-day experience.” Of the 1,638 football-related arrests, the three most common offence types were public disorder (31%), violent disorder (21%) and alcohol offences (16%). The EFL Championship contributed most to the arrest total (28%) and Birmingham City recorded most arrests for any individual club (71). Football related arrests compare favourably to other large scale public events. At this year’s V-Festival in Birmingham, there were 42 arrests in total from the 90,000-strong crowd. Elsewhere there were 14 arrests at Chester Races’ May festival from 60,000 spectators. “This demonstrates how safe football is and how misleading media coverage around disorder at the football can be,” Amanda said. “It’s important to understand that the legislation around football is the most restrictive of any major past time in this county. “Football fans face arrest for actions or behaviour that simply don’t exist as offences at any other event such as drinking alcohol in sight of the field of play.” As well as arrests declining, the number of active banning orders in 2016-17 also fell by 7% while the number of new banning orders issued fell by 5% compared to the previous season. The FSF and legal campaigners have long been promoting legal representation for football fans in trouble at the match and lifting the lid on the use of banning orders. The full report is here https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/football-related-arrests-and-banning-orders-england-and-wales-season-2016-to-2017/football-related-arrests-and-banning-order-statistics-england-and-wales-2016-to-2017-season The top 10 The clubs in England and Wales with the highest number of banning orders on August 7 were: 1. Newcastle United - 111 2. Wolverhampton Wanderers - 75 3. West Ham United - 57 4. Millwall - 55 5. Manchester United - 49 6. Liverpool - 44 7. Barnsley - 43 8. Chelsea - 42 9. Birmingham City - 41 10. Burnley - 39 = Bristol City - 39 = Bristol Rovers - 39 Premier League *Total 507 AFC Bournemouth 4 Arsenal 23 Burnley 39 Chelsea 42 Crystal Palace 22 Everton 30 Hull City 21 Leicester City 10 Liverpool 44 Manchester City 18 Manchester United 49 Middlesbrough 33 Southampton 16 Stoke City 12 Sunderland 23 Swansea City 10 Tottenham Hotspur 28 Watford 10 West Bromwich Albion 16 West Ham United 57 Championship *Total 620 Aston Villa 31 Barnsley 43 Birmingham City 41 Blackburn Rovers 13 Brentford 13 Brighton & Hove Albion 20 Bristol City 39 Burton Albion 0 Cardiff City 25 Derby County 34 Fulham 4 Huddersfield Town 9 Ipswich Town 9 Leeds United 36 Newcastle United 111 Norwich City 2 Nottingham Forest 35 Preston North End 5 Queens Park Rangers 27 Reading 16 Rotherham United 13 Sheffield Wednesday 17 Wigan Athletic 2 Wolverhampton Wanderers 75 League One *Total 391 AFC Wimbledon 5 Bolton Wanderers 18 Bradford City 11 Bristol Rovers 39 Bury 7 Charlton Athletic 28 Chesterfield 15 Coventry City 20 Fleetwood Town 3 Gillingham 6 Millwall 55 Milton Keynes Dons 0 Northampton Town 7 Oldham Athletic 6 Oxford United 7 Peterborough United 20 Port Vale 11 Rochdale 2 Scunthorpe United 10 Sheffield United 37 Shrewsbury Town 16 Southend United 25 Swindon Town 13 Walsall 30 *Total 250 League Two Accrington Stanley 0 Barnet 2 Blackpool 14 Cambridge United 12 Carlisle United 18 Cheltenham Town 0 Colchester United 6 Crawley Town 2 Crewe Alexandra 11 Doncaster Rovers 11 Exeter City 10 Grimsby Town 32 Hartlepool United 13 Leyton Orient 5 Luton Town 22 Mansfield Town 17 Morecambe 2 Newport County 11 Notts County 4 Plymouth Argyle 37 Portsmouth 17 Stevenage 3 Wycombe Wanderers 1 Yeovil Town 0 National League *Total 90 Aldershot Town 5 Barrow 5 Boreham Wood 0 Braintree Town 0 Bromley 0 Chester 8 Dagenham & Redbridge 2 Dover Athletic 0 Eastleigh 0 Forest Green Rovers 0 Gateshead 1 Guiseley 0 Lincoln City 30 Macclesfield Town 4 Maidstone United 0 North Ferriby United 0 Solihull Motors 0 Southport 0 Sutton United 1 Torquay United 1 Tranmere Rovers 15 Woking 1 Wrexham 14 York City 3 Other clubs *Total 71 Aberdeen 2 AFC Telford United 5 Altrincham 1 Atherstone Town 21 Blyth Spartans 1 Boston United 1 Darlington 2 FC Halifax Town 6 Galatasaray 4 Hednesford Town 1 Hereford United 1 Kidderminster Harriers 1 Nuneaton Town 5 Rangers 6 Stalybridge Celtic 3 Stockport County 5 Tamworth 1 Worcester City 1 Not Known 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted November 23, 2017 Author Admin Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 To put this all in comparison ; The Grand National had 5 arrests per 100k Royal Ascot 9 per 100k Henley Regatta 16 per 100k Notting Hill Carnival 30 per 100k Glastonbury Festival 53 per 100k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 I still can’t believe if you got a pint in your hand. You’re told you can’t watch the game. If you can see the pitch. (Obviously not from the stands )Unbelievable ruling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordie Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, phantom said: To put this all in comparison ; The Grand National had 5 arrests per 100k Royal Ascot 9 per 100k Henley Regatta 16 per 100k Notting Hill Carnival 30 per 100k Glastonbury Festival 53 per 100k Yet supporters are still treated like shit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, gordie said: Yet supporters are still treated like shit Probably why they put the excessive amount of police in the south stand. Against Cardiff. Need the numbers back up . Yet that I’ve seen any trouble in the south stand. Strange how fans get treated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 CCTV has helped to reduce the numbers, along with other things. Youth culture has changed. Youth club's have all but disappeared.......along with Council estate pubs. There are no gangs like there was back in the 70's and 80's. The music isn't so aggressive, unemployment was higher. We didn't have the Internet to educate us. Comprehensive schools have become academies.......and football stadiums have seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, RedLionLad said: CCTV has helped to reduce the numbers, along with other things. Youth culture has changed. Youth club's have all but disappeared.......along with Council estate pubs. There are no gangs like there was back in the 70's and 80's. The music isn't so aggressive, unemployment was higher. We didn't have the Internet to educate us. Comprehensive schools have become academies.......and football stadiums have seats. Well put Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Do any of these figures include european games, england internationals and world cup? This is where most of the bad press for football comes from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted November 23, 2017 Author Admin Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, Threshing Red said: Do any of these figures include european games, england internationals and world cup? This is where most of the bad press for football comes from. They include England fixtures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted November 23, 2017 Author Admin Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 I wonder whether @JulieHis allowed to give the number of arrests at Ashton Gate in the same time period for football and rugby matches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, phantom said: They include England fixtures Thanks, i didn't read the link first! I've read that in the next world cup you need to have id cards before you enter the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 13 minutes ago, phantom said: They include England fixtures Home games only though, where there hasn't been major trouble for years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Threshing Red said: Thanks, i didn't read the link first! I've read that in the next world cup you need to have id cards before you enter the stadium. That’s so they can return the bodies. And locate the families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty Swallocks Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 Burton need to up their game if they are to become a true Championship club. Intrigued as to what Atherstone Town have been up to for them to have 21 banning orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, Betty Swallocks said: Burton need to up their game if they are to become a true Championship club. Intrigued as to what Atherstone Town have been up to for them to have 21 banning orders. http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/local-news/atherstone-town-fa-cup-thugs-10419110 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betty Swallocks Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Northern Red said: http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/local-news/atherstone-town-fa-cup-thugs-10419110 Ta! They looked like a right scruffy mob of lads, sure they weren’t Rovers fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Lumber Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 To be honest I don't understand why grown me go go-karting I think it's very mindless and childish, grown men going around and around in circles acting like they are ten year olds all over again. I know what I would rather do, football with my mates any day of the week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 This reduction in figures is good news. On a specific point, I'm sure you all know this. However the most ridiculous law and draconian one for me is the alcohol one. The bit I'm sure you all know is you can not only get sent back to non viewing pitch by a steward. For mere 'offence' of standing in the concourse and drinking there in view of pitch, you can be arrested!? I mean it's statistically highly unlikely but I have read of cases... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieH Posted November 23, 2017 Report Share Posted November 23, 2017 1 hour ago, phantom said: I wonder whether @JulieHis allowed to give the number of arrests at Ashton Gate in the same time period for football and rugby matches? Yes I can, just check for period 2016-2017, comparison of arrests for football against rugby arrests at home fixtures? i can do this next week as will need to check figures from the national database that collates these numbers . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiale Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Hmmm The number of new football banning orders issued to Bristol City fans skyrocketed last season. Robins fans were issued with 17 new banning orders last season according to the latest data released by the Home Office. That’s up from just one new one the season before. http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bristol-city-fans-feature-among-820665 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider-manc Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 22 hours ago, phantom said: To put this all in comparison ; The Grand National had 5 arrests per 100k Royal Ascot 9 per 100k Henley Regatta 16 per 100k Notting Hill Carnival 30 per 100k Glastonbury Festival 53 per 100k In 2010 when take that played 8 nights at the etihad stadium there were more arrests made than there were football related arrests in Greater Manchester over the previous 5 seasons in total. Yet I can't have a pint in view of a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieH Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Fiale said: Hmmm The number of new football banning orders issued to Bristol City fans skyrocketed last season. Robins fans were issued with 17 new banning orders last season according to the latest data released by the Home Office. That’s up from just one new one the season before. http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bristol-city-fans-feature-among-820665 Almost all of them came from one incident at the Cardiff away game . I can’t see a date on the newspaper report but I am sure that was the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 On 23/11/2017 at 17:20, phantom said: I wonder whether @JulieHis allowed to give the number of arrests at Ashton Gate in the same time period for football and rugby matches? Dont see why not. It's nothing they could hold back, faced with a freedom of information request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northamptonshire Red Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 MK Dons 0, no surprise there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Thank god for unleaded petrol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollymarie Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 I’ve edited a couple of posts which were quoting the massive post in here. Stops it taking ages to scroll through the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted November 28, 2017 Author Admin Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 Chief inspector for Wales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaspberryRed Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 29 minutes ago, phantom said: Chief inspector for Wales @Inspector Mark Cleland I'd like to report a 'font' crime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted November 28, 2017 Report Share Posted November 28, 2017 I was at the Wales v NZ game with another City fan and the continual coming and going to/from the bar/toilets was a pain in the ass and really spoiled what was a very good game of rugby. And afterwards the numbers of drunks trying to jump the queues for trains necessitated at least half a dozen police to be there to keep order. Frankly, it's about time that the sale of alcohol during a rugby match is stopped as it causes so much nuisance to those who want to watch the game. Football fans don't realise how lucky they are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted November 29, 2017 Report Share Posted November 29, 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-42165978 20 hours ago, cidered abroad said: I was at the Wales v NZ game with another City fan and the continual coming and going to/from the bar/toilets was a pain in the ass and really spoiled what was a very good game of rugby. And afterwards the numbers of drunks trying to jump the queues for trains necessitated at least half a dozen police to be there to keep order. Frankly, it's about time that the sale of alcohol during a rugby match is stopped as it causes so much nuisance to those who want to watch the game. Football fans don't realise how lucky they are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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