123456789000 Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 4 hours ago, DaveF said: I just wanna know how come @Bar BS3 knows so much about gay people? It's called an education. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 21 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: That's one of the main arguments about letting gay men into a football team. I havent got a problem with that, a gay man isn't going to put me off, i can handle myself. But if during a match, is he going to be concentrating on the game, or is he going to be looking at me and going "Ooh. He looks tasty in his kit". And I'm not homophobic, all right? Come round, look at my CDs. You'll see Queen, George Michael, Pet Shop Boys. They're all bummers. Gareth: All farmers have wives. Tim: This one doesn't, he's gay. Gareth: Well, then, he shouldn't be allowed near animals, should he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: It depends upon your line of work; I have spent my career in offices and it's more like 1 in 30 or 40 but in the theatre it's probably 1 in 3 or 4. I agree that 1 in 10 seems way too high an estimate. Or there are a lot of people who don't feel comfortable revealing their sexuality at work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 4 hours ago, BRISTOL86 said: I absolutely don’t think it’s a bad thing at all mate. What irks me is the media’s unhealthy obsession with someone’s sexuality. Do we honestly think they care if the problem is actually a deep rooted culture thing? IMO they just want to ‘expose’ a big name as being gay for the clicks it will generate. I’m fully behind any initiative that seeks to address any element of social inequality, and I don’t give two hoots if any City player is straight, gay, bi or whatever. But if the root cause is that there’s a fundamental culture problem within football - which I don’t know if that’s the case or not (and I suspect a great number of people who claim that there is a problem have no actual evidence beyond ‘no footballers have come out’) - then that isn’t going to be addressed by going to The Sun and telling everyone that you’re gay. Just because no footballers have told the media of their sexual preferences - does that mean there’s a culture problem? Maybe they just don’t want to be ‘the one’ that all the fuss is made about? I’d like to think that if any City player wanted (key point) to disclose their sexual preferences to their team mates, they’d be able to without fear of negative consequence. If that isn’t the case then that’s something for the club as the employer to put right. I know the average workplace isn’t comparable to professional football, but I know several gay people at my place of work. Yet not one of them has ever said ‘I’m a gay man by the way’. That’s what I don’t get - this obsession with someone ‘confessing’ to it like they need to hold their hand up and tell everyone that their sexual preference is for the same sex. It’s unnecessary and unhealthy and is directly contributing to people’s unhealhy fascination with the lives of others. Could it just be that footballers are, in the main, already so sick of the press attention that comes with being a footballer, without adding sexuality into the mix? I think these are all really good points and I am sure no gay footballer wants to be the first to come out, or for their sexuality to be an issue. But the point still stands that, even if a City player wanted to reveal his sexual preferences to this team mates and they were fine about it then: a) Would they still feel they had to conceal it from other staff at the club who might be less supportive? b) If there was an event where everyone was bringing their partners, would they feel they could so without anyone outside the club finding out? c) If the players went on a night out to a night club and they knew fans would be there and people were bringing their wives and girlfriends, would they feel unable to bring their boyfriend in case someone saw and started spreading the word? d) If they wanted to marry their partner, how would they keep their wedding secret so opposing fans didn't get hold of it, so they could avoid the attention? e) If they are single,. how are they simultaneously going to find a partner and conceal their sexuality, if they don't want it to be public knowledge? I think the problem is people tend to forget that being gay isn't some minor fact in isolation. People - footballers or not - tend to want to be in relationships and want to live their lives with their partners without fear, scrutiny or trying to hide anything - including when they are in public places. I absolutely get why no individaul player want the attention but if someone feels they cannot simply go about their daily life for a fear of being outed then that is a problem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: Thing is, if someone has a weird haircut and doesn't like the abuse, they can just go and get a different haircut. If someone really hates being abused for being ginger then - whilst they shouldn't have to - they can shave their head of buy a bottle of hair dye. I'd argue both of those things are a little bit less important to most people than having to conceal or avoid being seen out with the person you love. You have a point...however...I would love to know why the football authorities want to keep bringing this to the fore and our attention. I don't know anyone that hasn't got used to it by now. You aren't going to change everyone's mind...so it's pointless trying to do so. The same as you aren't going to change many peoples belief when it comes to religion or politics. The Entertainment industry and media is full of alternative people. We see it every day. More so than in my normal day to day work or socialising. Everyone is used to it...it now feels like it's being forced down our throat and it's starting to piss a lot of people off. I hear it in the pub most weeks...people are cheesed off with it. It is now having a negative effect...opposite to what it was meant. What's even more troubling...is every day you have articles in the media about one form or other of 'acceptance' and understanding....yet in the same breath, stories that are ridiculing people for being offended and contacting the authorities. It's not consistent and sends out confusing messages to parts of the public who can't seem to think for themselves. It's gone beyond a joke...and it's led me to think there is definitely a hidden agenda behind it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123456789000 Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Man: I wish to make a complaint. Bristol Sport: Not interested. Man: I wish to report some homophobic abuse. Bristol Sport: Don't care. Man: I was tormented the entire game, the stewarding was non-existent, I felt humiliated and threate- Bristol Sport: Which block was it? Man: Block 62. Bristol Sport: There is no block 62 in this stadium. Sometimes the complaints will be false. Disclaimer: the views and opinions expressed in this post do not reflect those of Bristol Sport, nor their approach to dealing with complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 4 hours ago, spudski said: It's very simple though Fordy...you just ban anyone who is abusing. The same way is if anyone was shouting racist remarks these days. Football fans pick on anything they can that's 'different'....imagine being Welsh, fat, ginger, short, ugly, weird haircut etc playing at the Gate I’ve said this time and time again, I’ve seen my ginger mate take a load more shit than what I’ve ever seen some other friends take who are black or gay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We.Will.Rock.You Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 32 minutes ago, Kotsy said: It's called an education. So what's a Transgender? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 3 hours ago, Tom Fleuriot said: 3 hours ago, Tom Fleuriot said: @Bar BS3 375 ish gay players. Yet we have not had one that has made the media. 1.7% of males in Britain identify as gay, so your figure is likely to be wildly exaggerated. Out of 2,500 professionals ( if that's the figure) it's unlikely to be more than 50. Who knows if the exact number amongst footballers is more or less than the national average, but perhaps not one of them has 'made the media' because the individuals concerned want their private lives to remain private, just like everyone else? Perhaps as individuals they may even resent the pressure groups trying to force the issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We.Will.Rock.You Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 34 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said: It depends upon your line of work; I have spent my career in offices and it's more like 1 in 30 or 40 but in the theatre it's probably 1 in 3 or 4. I agree that 1 in 10 seems way too high an estimate. Doesn't know about gays. Tell him later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northamptonshire Red Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 53 minutes ago, We.Will.Rock.You said: So what's a Transgender? How long you gonna be mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 1 hour ago, LondonBristolian said: Or there are a lot of people who don't feel comfortable revealing their sexuality at work... Maybe, though as one man with whom I work wears dresses I expect that's less common now. Of course it is impossible to prove a negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northamptonshire Red Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 1 hour ago, spudski said: You have a point...however...I would love to know why the football authorities want to keep bringing this to the fore and our attention. I don't know anyone that hasn't got used to it by now. You aren't going to change everyone's mind...so it's pointless trying to do so. The same as you aren't going to change many peoples belief when it comes to religion or politics. The Entertainment industry and media is full of alternative people. We see it every day. More so than in my normal day to day work or socialising. Everyone is used to it...it now feels like it's being forced down our throat and it's starting to piss a lot of people off. I hear it in the pub most weeks...people are cheesed off with it. It is now having a negative effect...opposite to what it was meant. What's even more troubling...is every day you have articles in the media about one form or other of 'acceptance' and understanding....yet in the same breath, stories that are ridiculing people for being offended and contacting the authorities. It's not consistent and sends out confusing messages to parts of the public who can't seem to think for themselves. It's gone beyond a joke...and it's led me to think there is definitely a hidden agenda behind it all. Welcome to the Clownworld. Think I'd have to PM you on what I think the various agendas being pushed could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Brent: Little while later I see a cowboy crying, I said, "Hey buddy, what can I do?" He says, "I lived a good life, had about a thousand women." I said "Why the tears?", he says "'cause none of them was you." Tim: What, you? Brent: No, he's looking at a photograph. Tim: Of you? Brent: No, of his girlfriend. The video would have shown it. Tim: Sorry. It just sounds a bit gay. Brent: It's not gay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northamptonshire Red Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 7 minutes ago, bearded_red said: Brent: Little while later I see a cowboy crying, I said, "Hey buddy, what can I do?" He says, "I lived a good life, had about a thousand women." I said "Why the tears?", he says "'cause none of them was you." Tim: What, you? Brent: No, he's looking at a photograph. Tim: Of you? Brent: No, of his girlfriend. The video would have shown it. Tim: Sorry. It just sounds a bit gay. Brent: It's not gay! My favourite episode of the Office. "I think there's been a rape up there! I got his attention. Get their attention..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 “I can wake up one morning and go, ‘I don’t feel like working today. Can I stay in bed?’ ‘You’d better ask the boss.’ ‘David, can I stay in bed?’ ‘Yes, David.’ Both me. Not me in bed with another bloke called David.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Rob k said: I’ve said this time and time again, I’ve seen my ginger mate take a load more shit than what I’ve ever seen some other friends take who are black or gay. A ginger friend? How frightful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 14 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: What utter rubbish! Lets keep using your 15%, because I’ve no idea what the national ratio is. There may be 60-70% in more media/theatrical/artistic vocations. Leaving far lower percentages in others, likely many of those that you’ve listed. A Gay builder, footballer etc would be less inclined to 'come out' as opposed to someone in the Arts, that is the reasoning behind the flags,. being a bit more open and honest and accepting that this cuts across all professions. It must be tough being Gay as a footballer, and I am not sure if Football has evolved enough to accept it. We have not moved on as much as we think we have as a society, and witnessing how some football fans react, I would be very careful not to tell anyone... especially if I was in a World Cup team going to Russia of all places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northamptonshire Red Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Rob k said: I’ve said this time and time again, I’ve seen my ginger mate take a load more shit than what I’ve ever seen some other friends take who are black or gay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 2 hours ago, WolfOfWestStreet said: That's one of the main arguments about letting gay men into a football team. I havent got a problem with that, a gay man isn't going to put me off, i can handle myself. But if during a match, is he going to be concentrating on the game, or is he going to be looking at me and going "Ooh. He looks tasty in his kit". And I'm not homophobic, all right? Come round, look at my CDs. You'll see Queen, George Michael, Pet Shop Boys. They're all bummers. 'Letting Gay men into football teams? '' Do you know folk with your sort of attitude are themselves a bit afraid of something, but to describe 'them' as 'bummers' well you are either taking the p1ss or you are just a moron. You chose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 8 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: A Gay builder, footballer etc would be less inclined to 'come out' as opposed to someone in the Arts, that is the reasoning behind the flags,. being a bit more open and honest and accepting that this cuts across all professions. It must be tough being Gay as a footballer, and I am not sure if Football has evolved enough to accept it. We have not moved on as much as we think we have as a society, and witnessing how some football fans react, I would be very careful not to tell anyone... especially if I was in a World Cup team going to Russia of all places. Yet despite there being considerably more builders than professional footballers, I have never seen Rainbow bricks outside my local Wickes! Why so much pressure on one profession? I still think a lot stems from the media’s obsession with ‘outing’ a big name player to sell newspapers (or more to the point in this day and age to generate clicks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonPark Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 3 hours ago, SARJ said: The FA can do all these public rainbow displays if they want, but IMO it won't change a thing. Skin head Dave who's 20 stone, been on the odd FLA rally and has 5 pints down the Spanish pre-match is not going to suddenly become accepting of homosexuals just because the corner flags are now rainbow colored. Probably a closest homosexual himself. Skin head and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We.Will.Rock.You Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 Just now, AshtonPark said: Probably a closest homosexual himself. Skin head and all that. Probably wears a nice Ben Sherman shirt and goes out really late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: 'Letting Gay men into football teams? '' Do you know folk with your sort of attitude are themselves a bit afraid of something, but to describe 'them' as 'bummers' well you are either taking the p1ss or you are just a moron. You chose. Do you not know who Eric Hitchmo is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1bristolcity Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, BRISTOL86 said: Yet despite there being considerably more builders than professional footballers, I have never seen Rainbow bricks outside my local Wickes! Why so much pressure on one profession? I still think a lot stems from the media’s obsession with ‘outing’ a big name player to sell newspapers (or more to the point in this day and age to generate clicks) I don't really support the flag business, I wouldn't want anyone group or individual pressured into 'coming out' if society will condemn him or her. And that's the thing Society, and whilst we have comments as on here that is clearly anti gay or whatever, Society clearly has a lot more evolving to do, sadly football supporters by and large have much more evolving to do than the average person. So I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 9 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: 'Letting Gay men into football teams? '' Do you know folk with your sort of attitude are themselves a bit afraid of something, but to describe 'them' as 'bummers' well you are either taking the p1ss or you are just a moron. You chose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedJim Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 16 hours ago, Bar BS3 said: Why don’t they just get the players to play wearing mini skirts and have done with it..?! The World has gone ####ing mental! It will soon be socially unacceptable to be in a heterosexual relationship with your wife. Especially if you are outrageous enough to be white & work..! Total and utter bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 17 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: 'Letting Gay men into football teams? '' Do you know folk with your sort of attitude are themselves a bit afraid of something, but to describe 'them' as 'bummers' well you are either taking the p1ss or you are just a moron. You chose. Oooh don't you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfOfWestStreet Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 14 minutes ago, DaveF said: Do you not know who Eric Hitchmo is? Who's been to the Coventry conference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRISTOL86 Posted November 24, 2017 Report Share Posted November 24, 2017 18 minutes ago, 1bristolcity said: I don't really support the flag business, I wouldn't want anyone group or individual pressured into 'coming out' if society will condemn him or her. And that's the thing Society, and whilst we have comments as on here that is clearly anti gay or whatever, Society clearly has a lot more evolving to do, sadly football supporters by and large have much more evolving to do than the average person. So I agree I have no problem with any campaign seeking to address an issue, I just think the people putting the pressure on probably think the problem is considerably worse than it is. A very small minority of moronic knuckle dragging football fans give the overwhelming majority a very bad name. Mud sticks Most of the people I know who like football are well educated, tolerant and genuinely nice people who would no sooner give a shit about a players sexuality than their favourite food or what sort of music they like. I think 99% of football fans would be the same. Sadly in any large group of people you’ll get that 1% who still act like it’s 1970. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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